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Post by mcstoklasa on May 20, 2019 9:57:09 GMT -5
It's about time Brock had another title match. It's been too long. I miss stone cold.
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Post by government mule on May 20, 2019 10:06:43 GMT -5
'Climb the ladder kid, make yourself famous!'
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 10:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by mcstoklasa on May 20, 2019 10:12:13 GMT -5
BORK WANT RED BELT
You got it, pal!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 20, 2019 10:24:11 GMT -5
Plans can always change as we know but we also should've seen this coming. A few days before the show it was reported that Brock would be challenging Seth for the universal title at super showdown. This was reported by WrestleVotes who have gotten a few things right lately. If him winning the case is to set up that match at Super showdown,then that's much worse, because you wasted the case and made 7 other guys look like asses. Yeah... Brock doesn't need the Money in the Bank to get a title shot.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 10:26:03 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers in the match (WWE's fault) were over enough to win This was my biggest issue. The combined talent in that match was off the charts, but WWE gives you zero reason to care about any of them.
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Post by Spider2024 on May 20, 2019 10:33:30 GMT -5
In theory it's a very good idea, an ultra powerful beast of a wrestler who's already unstoppable, and now he's got the instant-win MITB. That's like a double instant win.
The bad part is that it will lead to a FOURTH World Title reign by Invisible Brock Lesnar. The last 3 weren't JUST bad because the World Champion was non-existent, and it wasn't JUST bad because the World Championship was non-existent. The real reason was the entire concept of a World Championship was non-existent during those time frames. The entire concept of being a World Champion completely disappeared and ceased to matter. There was a giant feeling on those Raw shows of 'what the hell are they even fighting for'? At least the first time in late 2014 they mixed in that 'good guys vs The Authority' feud for Survivor Series that at least partially worked. But otherwise, the void was visible. Literally nothing mattered (even more so than usual, I mean). John Cena, who always loves to say "anyone in this business who doesn't want to be a Champion, there's the door, get the hell out" would be sick to his stomach.
And it's not even Mr. Lesnar's fault, really. It's Mr. WWE's fault. It's getting very, very hard to argue against the notion that "WWE never learns" when they keep doing this brain-dead dumb stupid shit.
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Post by nisidhe on May 20, 2019 10:34:49 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers in the match (WWE's fault) were over enough to win This was my biggest issue. The combined talent in that match was off the charts, but WWE gives you zero reason to care about any of them. I care about them, for sure - their sacrifices last night should not be forgotten, especially when they were utterly wasted in the end. WWE should care about how much money it's going to take to keep them away from AEW and about how little it may take for AEW to pick them up if they're determined to leave.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 10:35:22 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers in the match (WWE's fault) were over enough to win This was my biggest issue. The combined talent in that match was off the charts, but WWE gives you zero reason to care about any of them. Well, giving one of them a title shot to be used at a time of their choosing and having them show character by doing promos about that might work, though that seems to be really hard for WWE to do these days.
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Post by realist on May 20, 2019 10:48:46 GMT -5
Man, Braun Strowman is looking like a genius for having himself pulled from that match.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on May 20, 2019 11:07:23 GMT -5
What I don't get is this notion that Lesnar is some sort of a draw. Let's say when he does randomly show up that he does bring a few more viewers in (since shockingly when the champion is there more people might watch). What does the rating do the other 90% of the time? It bombs. This is what happened slowly during his nightmare of a run in 2017-18, as Raw lost viewers bit by bit. Fox executives are morons. It's obvious if they want Lesnar because he's "a star" for SD, but when he's not even around how is he drawing the network any ratings? WWE is the equivalent now of the USWA or SMW in the 1990s when they would bring in a top WWF star and pop a gate for it, but then in the weeks that followed it was the usual crew and attendance plummeted again. In that case Vince probably didn't care since it wrecked other promotions, but he has literally done the same thing to his own shows! Lesnar is the equivalent of bringing The Undertaker or Bret Hart to Memphis or Knoxville and then the next show tanks. Raw actually hit 3 million viewers the day after SS last year. It's the last time they did. Note that Raw's numbers really started cratering badly after Crown Jewel when they put the title back on Lesnar after doing an entire storyline saying he hates even being there. Now obviously there were other problems like Reigns having leukemia and the awful Ambrose heel turn, but I do think actually going back to this guy after finally getting the belt off him caused a lot of fans to just tune out. The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Imagine telling the 7 actual participants "We need you to go out there and bust your asses then we'll send lesnar out in the last two minutes to win it." Wrestler(s): Am I getting paid? Boss: Sure you are as normal. Wrestler(s): Sounds good to me Ha, exactly. Everyone saying "oh, imagine how the other 7 poor guys must feel!". They get paid good money to go out there and do what Vince says. WWE isn't a place for creative satisfaction anymore and hasn't been for a loooooong time now. I have no sympathy for the other wrestlers whatsoever when it comes to that. They know the deal, if they don't like it then leave like Ambrose, Cody, Ryback and countless others have done. As for the topic at hand, the Money in the Bank gimmick is terrible these days anyway. If someone like Andrade or Mustafa Ali had gotten it, it probably would have hurt them more long-term.
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Post by eJm on May 20, 2019 11:28:09 GMT -5
This was my biggest issue. The combined talent in that match was off the charts, but WWE gives you zero reason to care about any of them. Well, giving one of them a title shot to be used at a time of their choosing and having them show character by doing promos about that might work, though that seems to be really hard for WWE to do these days. “What a stupid idea! YOU’RE FIRED!” - Vince
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Post by Dang! on May 20, 2019 11:28:18 GMT -5
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 20, 2019 11:30:06 GMT -5
Just got an e-mail from the WWE Fan Council asking for my opinion on MITB.
You motherf***ers asked for it.
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Post by eJm on May 20, 2019 11:31:52 GMT -5
Just got an e-mail from the WWE Fan Council asking for my opinion on MITB. You motherf***ers asked for it. I know they have to do that but also WHY would you do that?
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Post by segaz on May 20, 2019 11:35:04 GMT -5
Goldberg beats Taker? Brock cashes in on Kofi? Brock Vs Goldberg IV WWE relying on old 50 plus year dudes to carry their wrestling company in a sea of declining ratings, pessimistic attitudes from so many fans, and a rising competitor in AEW, I really wonder if Vince remembers what won him the Monday Night Wars the first time. He shouldn't have won really, if WCW been booked properly in 99 onwards it should have been an uneasy draw. I don't really have a problem with Brock winning the MITB. And tbh, him wrestling now isn't any different in theory from other veteran stars wrestling. Someone like Goldberg is different. If we take Hogan from 83 to arguably 2003 when he was no longer full time, that's 20 years. Goldberg debuted in 1998, and it's not 2018 anymore. Anyway, I don't mind Brock winning, but they have to do something INTERESTING with him. As much as people are hating ot now, it's not impossible for Brock to become interesting TV. I would rather have Brock on my roster than not, there's still so much you can do with him, even as MITB winner. I like the idea of him being a threat that could show up sporadically throughout the year. Mess with people's heads. I'd go all the way and make him end up as a guest referee in a title match, where despite wanting to just declare himself champ, he gets ko'd when they double team him, yet his hand is used to count the pinball. There's a ton of things you can do....
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 20, 2019 11:47:17 GMT -5
This was my biggest issue. The combined talent in that match was off the charts, but WWE gives you zero reason to care about any of them. Well, giving one of them a title shot to be used at a time of their choosing and having them show character by doing promos about that might work, though that seems to be really hard for WWE to do these days. WWE's 'lack of star power' is entirely a self-perpetuating cycle of saying "This person isn't a star so we're not going to put any effort into treating them like one" and cycling ad nauseum through this bullshit week after week. If you don't get monster pops your first month on the main roster with no build or promo time you're not shit, and you need to move over for Brock Lesnar, who is a real star because he's a big manly man and not because he's a) super protected b) deeply established thanks to an incredibly dominant first run in WWE and consistent main events since returning.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on May 20, 2019 12:04:03 GMT -5
Just got an e-mail from the WWE Fan Council asking for my opinion on MITB. You motherf***ers asked for it. As did I'm going to let them have it. Lol. Gravedigger's Biscuits As for Brock still being one of week's biggest draws I'm not surprised he's booked better than anybody on the main roster.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 20, 2019 12:51:12 GMT -5
So, uh...does Raw open tonight with one of the authority figures saying "Brock was never contracted for that match, sorry about that"?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -5
So, uh...does Raw open tonight with one of the authority figures saying "Brock was never contracted for that match, sorry about that"? Nah. What'll probably happen is nothing. They'll keep on going as planned, people will still complain and it'll continue until ratings get low enough until something changes. As much as Lesnar winning is f***ed up it's not enough fan outcry to make them do anything major.
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