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Post by r. on May 20, 2019 13:08:24 GMT -5
None of the wrestlers in the match (WWE's fault) were over enough to win Bullshit. I'm sorry but that is just the worst possible take from this. You get guys over by giving them a shot, You make new stars with this type of match. How can anyone be f***ing over enough to win anything if they kill everyone but brock dead?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 13:17:48 GMT -5
So, uh...does Raw open tonight with one of the authority figures saying "Brock was never contracted for that match, sorry about that"? Nah. What'll probably happen is nothing. They'll keep on going as planned, people will still complain and it'll continue until ratings get low enough until something changes. As much as Lesnar winning is f***ed up it's not enough fan outcry to make them do anything major. And the 7 other guys will look like schmucks when they forget about this and move on to their next thing. I know a lot of people aren't high on Drew, but considering his whole deal is hating people coasting and doing the bare minimum he should f***ing despise Brock Lesnar. This shit is tailor-made for a face turn. But he'll probably just beat up Braun with Corbin and Lashley.
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Post by Dub H on May 20, 2019 13:18:44 GMT -5
What I don't get is this notion that Lesnar is some sort of a draw. Let's say when he does randomly show up that he does bring a few more viewers in (since shockingly when the champion is there more people might watch). What does the rating do the other 90% of the time? It bombs. This is what happened slowly during his nightmare of a run in 2017-18, as Raw lost viewers bit by bit. Fox executives are morons. It's obvious if they want Lesnar because he's "a star" for SD, but when he's not even around how is he drawing the network any ratings? WWE is the equivalent now of the USWA or SMW in the 1990s when they would bring in a top WWF star and pop a gate for it, but then in the weeks that followed it was the usual crew and attendance plummeted again. In that case Vince probably didn't care since it wrecked other promotions, but he has literally done the same thing to his own shows! Lesnar is the equivalent of bringing The Undertaker or Bret Hart to Memphis or Knoxville and then the next show tanks. Raw actually hit 3 million viewers the day after SS last year. It's the last time they did. Note that Raw's numbers really started cratering badly after Crown Jewel when they put the title back on Lesnar after doing an entire storyline saying he hates even being there. Now obviously there were other problems like Reigns having leukemia and the awful Ambrose heel turn, but I do think actually going back to this guy after finally getting the belt off him caused a lot of fans to just tune out. The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Wrestler(s): Am I getting paid? Boss: Sure you are as normal. Wrestler(s): Sounds good to me Ha, exactly. Everyone saying "oh, imagine how the other 7 poor guys must feel!". They get paid good money to go out there and do what Vince says. WWE isn't a place for creative satisfaction anymore and hasn't been for a loooooong time now. I have no sympathy for the other wrestlers whatsoever when it comes to that. They know the deal, if they don't like it then leave like Ambrose, Cody, Ryback and countless others have done. As for the topic at hand, the Money in the Bank gimmick is terrible these days anyway. If someone like Andrade or Mustafa Ali had gotten it, it probably would have hurt them more long-term. You can be pissed by someone else getting rewarded by your hard work. No one likes when you do a great job at work and someone else swoops in and profits from it.
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Post by King Boo on May 20, 2019 13:18:50 GMT -5
Me thinking about how I gave up on watching this shit a year ago:
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 13:27:38 GMT -5
Nah. What'll probably happen is nothing. They'll keep on going as planned, people will still complain and it'll continue until ratings get low enough until something changes. As much as Lesnar winning is f***ed up it's not enough fan outcry to make them do anything major. And the 7 other guys will look like schmucks when they forget about this and move on to their next thing. I know a lot of people aren't high on Drew, but considering his whole deal is hating people coasting and doing the bare minimum he should f***ing despise Brock Lesnar. This shit is tailor-made for a face turn. But he'll probably just beat up Braun with Corbin and Lashley. Yep. Exactly. Sad but true.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 20, 2019 13:55:42 GMT -5
Me thinking about how I gave up on watching this shit a year ago: Me not watching WWE and reveling in the Best of Super Juniors, instead:
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Post by nate5054 on May 20, 2019 13:58:49 GMT -5
I can't stop laughing at this...damn Ali looks like a goober just standing there on the ladder.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on May 20, 2019 14:02:27 GMT -5
The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Ha, exactly. Everyone saying "oh, imagine how the other 7 poor guys must feel!". They get paid good money to go out there and do what Vince says. WWE isn't a place for creative satisfaction anymore and hasn't been for a loooooong time now. I have no sympathy for the other wrestlers whatsoever when it comes to that. They know the deal, if they don't like it then leave like Ambrose, Cody, Ryback and countless others have done. As for the topic at hand, the Money in the Bank gimmick is terrible these days anyway. If someone like Andrade or Mustafa Ali had gotten it, it probably would have hurt them more long-term. You can be pissed by someone else getting rewarded by your hard work. No one likes when you do a great job at work and someone else swoops in and profits from it. Ah come on, we all know the wrestling business doesn't work like the real world.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on May 20, 2019 14:10:48 GMT -5
I stopped reading comments around 3 pages in. Yeah, this is an "eff you" finish. Yeah, Brick Laser is gonna cash in, win it, then show his mug like once a month. But before, when they did this, didn't the shows get better, even when it was Roman Reigns cutting promos about how Bork Legion was a part-timer, and didn't deserve to be the universal champ? With the new wild card rule, we could see the wwe champ show up on raw to try to claim that show for himself. Shoot, even The Man could lay claim.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 14:13:39 GMT -5
The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Even granting that point on the face of it... He's not good for business. Let's say the ratings shot up every time Brock comes around - which they really don't, most of the time they just get a slight rise at best and usually not that much. He's still doing absolutely nothing but marginalizing the guys who are actually there day to day and killing their ability to grow into draws. He only wrestles like four times a year and appears on maaaaybe twelve Raws a year, so the rest of the time it's horrifically bad business to feed the entire company to him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 20, 2019 14:17:33 GMT -5
Me thinking about how I gave up on watching this shit a year ago: Vince is a Farquaad.
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Post by r. on May 20, 2019 14:38:37 GMT -5
What I don't get is this notion that Lesnar is some sort of a draw. Let's say when he does randomly show up that he does bring a few more viewers in (since shockingly when the champion is there more people might watch). What does the rating do the other 90% of the time? It bombs. This is what happened slowly during his nightmare of a run in 2017-18, as Raw lost viewers bit by bit. Fox executives are morons. It's obvious if they want Lesnar because he's "a star" for SD, but when he's not even around how is he drawing the network any ratings? WWE is the equivalent now of the USWA or SMW in the 1990s when they would bring in a top WWF star and pop a gate for it, but then in the weeks that followed it was the usual crew and attendance plummeted again. In that case Vince probably didn't care since it wrecked other promotions, but he has literally done the same thing to his own shows! Lesnar is the equivalent of bringing The Undertaker or Bret Hart to Memphis or Knoxville and then the next show tanks. Raw actually hit 3 million viewers the day after SS last year. It's the last time they did. Note that Raw's numbers really started cratering badly after Crown Jewel when they put the title back on Lesnar after doing an entire storyline saying he hates even being there. Now obviously there were other problems like Reigns having leukemia and the awful Ambrose heel turn, but I do think actually going back to this guy after finally getting the belt off him caused a lot of fans to just tune out. The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Wrestler(s): Am I getting paid? Boss: Sure you are as normal. Wrestler(s): Sounds good to me Ha, exactly. Everyone saying "oh, imagine how the other 7 poor guys must feel!". They get paid good money to go out there and do what Vince says. WWE isn't a place for creative satisfaction anymore and hasn't been for a loooooong time now. I have no sympathy for the other wrestlers whatsoever when it comes to that. They know the deal, if they don't like it then leave like Ambrose, Cody, Ryback and countless others have done. As for the topic at hand, the Money in the Bank gimmick is terrible these days anyway. If someone like Andrade or Mustafa Ali had gotten it, it probably would have hurt them more long-term. The top trending tweets for MITB were all about AEW. Yeah, this really helped them loads. Let's pretend the morale issues don't exist either.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 20, 2019 14:45:40 GMT -5
So why is Brock not immediately cashing in on Seth, to do what he promised after their Wrestlemania match: "I will f***ing kill you!"
Are we going to pretend Brock isn't the biggest, baddest guy in the company, who only lost because of a low blow and three Curb Stomps?
That's why it's dumb to give him the briefcase. There is nothing in his character to suggest he'd tease cashing it in, and hold it over the heads of the champions for weeks or months. He'd just do it.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 20, 2019 14:48:04 GMT -5
So why is Brock not immediately cashing in on Seth, to do what he promised after their Wrestlemania match: "I will f***ing kill you!" Are we going to pretend Brock isn't the biggest, baddest guy in the company, who only lost because of a low blow and three Curb Stomps? That's why it's dumb to give him the briefcase. There is nothing in his character to suggest he'd tease cashing it in, and hold it over the heads of the champions for weeks or months. He'd just do it. Bayley just cashed in so I doubt they’d want to pull the same stunt twice on the same show. Plus it gets people tuning into Raw to see what will happen next.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 20, 2019 14:52:18 GMT -5
So why is Brock not immediately cashing in on Seth, to do what he promised after their Wrestlemania match: "I will f***ing kill you!" Are we going to pretend Brock isn't the biggest, baddest guy in the company, who only lost because of a low blow and three Curb Stomps? That's why it's dumb to give him the briefcase. There is nothing in his character to suggest he'd tease cashing it in, and hold it over the heads of the champions for weeks or months. He'd just do it. Bayley just cashed in so I doubt they’d want to pull the same stunt twice on the same show. Plus it gets people tuning into Raw to see what will happen next. Yeah, but that's not Lesnar logic. Lesnar logic is "I take this title now, and sod off back to Minnesota, and you can't stop me."
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Post by BatPunk on May 20, 2019 14:52:23 GMT -5
Not trying to be flame bait here, but I love this.
In kayfabe terms, there should be nothing more scary than Brock coming after you. Now he has the Money in the Bank briefcase and can legit come at you any time he wants.
This should be the most terrified a Champion should ever be. Now along with Brock working a schedule when you never know when he’s actually going to turn up? There could be so much gold in this angle.
AND they could make Rollins LEGIT in everyone’s eyes if he could beat Brock on a cash in (as long as there’s no dick kicks).
I’m actually looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 20, 2019 15:00:49 GMT -5
Bayley just cashed in so I doubt they’d want to pull the same stunt twice on the same show. Plus it gets people tuning into Raw to see what will happen next. Yeah, but that's not Lesnar logic. Lesnar logic is "I take this title now, and sod off back to Minnesota, and you can't stop me." But WWE is doing the booking. They obviously want to pop a rating. So many people are talking about this that I’m pretty sure they will. Which could mean a big push for Lesnar. Like it or not it’s getting a lot of attention.
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Post by hbkid718 on May 20, 2019 15:02:59 GMT -5
The only good thing about Lesnar winning the MITB for me is this cool trivia note. If he cashes in on Rollins, which is most likely to happen, he will be the 1st MITB Winner to cash in the MITB Contract on a previous MITB Winner that cashed in on him.
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Post by 4real on May 20, 2019 15:04:45 GMT -5
I’ll say 2 things:
1. I hope WWE does something with Ali after this since the match was his until Lesnar showed up.
2. WWE has no long term plan anymore for MITB winners do they? Both are going to be used within 2 weeks.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on May 20, 2019 15:06:21 GMT -5
The quarter-hour ratings show that Brock is still one of WWE's biggest draws, if not the biggest. As do ticket sales when he's advertised. Even granting that point on the face of it... He's not good for business. Let's say the ratings shot up every time Brock comes around - which they really don't, most of the time they just get a slight rise at best and usually not that much. He's still doing absolutely nothing but marginalizing the guys who are actually there day to day and killing their ability to grow into draws. He only wrestles like four times a year and appears on maaaaybe twelve Raws a year, so the rest of the time it's horrifically bad business to feed the entire company to him. Brock can be very good for business, WWE's booking of Brock is what's bad for business. WWE's booking in general is bad for business. That's what's driving everyone away and meaning they fail to create new stars. I remember a few months ago when people were begging for Brock to lose the title to Rollins so Raw could have a chance of being good again, or something along those lines. Brock lost the title. Did Raw improve? No, not really. And the ratings are worse than ever.
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