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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 23, 2019 2:16:46 GMT -5
Still hurts
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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 23, 2019 2:18:28 GMT -5
I wasn't watching wrestling regularly at this point and remember hearing the news on the radio.
I've watched some of Owen's work on the Network and what could have been.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 23, 2019 2:19:17 GMT -5
God damn, 20 years. Remember like it was yesterday.
I still don't understand why they still had Taker win. Have Austin win, send the fans home as happy as you can, and have Austin drop it the next week on Raw or something.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 23, 2019 2:21:23 GMT -5
A lot of birthdays this week...mine too. But this is always a lull in the celebrations of course. And moreso as this is a milestone for the incident.
This was something we should never watch helplessly as it unfolded. Chilled me then, still does.
I'm sure this will include Those Debates. But I will simply remember an extraordinary talent.
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Post by DDonaires on May 23, 2019 2:43:13 GMT -5
He will always hold a special place in my heart. He was the first WWF superstar that I've ever meet and got an autograph from. This was during the 1998 Royal Rumble and I remained a fan ever since. Still hurts knowing what happened to him a year later. He was a class act and always enjoyed his work. We miss you Owen, R.I.P
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Post by DoubleDare on May 23, 2019 5:44:15 GMT -5
Crazy its been 20 years, the most tragic wrestling death that shouldv'e never happened. It was a crap gimmick to begin with.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2019 6:32:28 GMT -5
He should still be alive, it’s negligence from the wwe that he died. Meltzer said that they went with a cheaper option for him to be lowered down the ring.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 23, 2019 6:52:10 GMT -5
He should still be alive, it’s negligence from the wwe that he died. Meltzer said that they went with a cheaper option for him to be lowered down the ring. And like Paul Lazenby said in the Pollock podcast the other day, there is no f***ing excuse for not doing test runs with a real stuntman prior to the stunt. One proper run through and an experienced stunt man would’ve noticed that an inexperienced guy like Owen shouldn’t be using that style of quick release Sure it always looked clunky and awkward, but there’s a reason Sting always had a bitch of a time getting the harness unhooked. He was secure as f*** when he was doing it
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Post by dirtyoldman on May 23, 2019 6:53:51 GMT -5
God damn, 20 years. Remember like it was yesterday. I still don't understand why they still had Taker win. Have Austin win, send the fans home as happy as you can, and have Austin drop it the next week on Raw or something. I don't get that bit either. That wasn't a night for any storylines to be developed. I guess everyone was panicking like mad and just wanted to get the night over with and stuck to what they knew. I kinda understand why they kept the show running cause they really didn't know how else to deal with it. I highly doubt they wete worried about lossing money or getting in trouble with the ppv company like some people accuse them of.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 23, 2019 8:27:39 GMT -5
He should still be alive, it’s negligence from the wwe that he died. Meltzer said that they went with a cheaper option for him to be lowered down the ring. Yes it was a freak accident no one could see coming. I recall the F4W saying Owen did do a test run, but I'm not sure. Still, there were things that could have been done to prevent this. Not only that, but the position he was put in in the company kind of led to this. First being shunted down to midcard when Austin nor HBK wouldn't work with him led to them trying midcard gimmick after midcard gimmick on him, which presumably led to Russo or whoever pitching the Debra idea. When Owen refused, that led to them deciding to reboot the Blue Blazer.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 23, 2019 8:33:20 GMT -5
I know he reportedly was going to be retiring soon but you just have to wonder if he would have been involved to this day as a road agent or trainer at the Performance Center or anything.
There's not too many guys in the industry that you never hear a bad word about, but Owen Hart seems to be one of them. Like the Tom Hanks of wrestling, if Tom hanks were a notorious prankster.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 23, 2019 8:52:18 GMT -5
He should still be alive, it’s negligence from the wwe that he died. Meltzer said that they went with a cheaper option for him to be lowered down the ring. Yes it was a freak accident no one could see coming. I recall the F4W saying Owen did do a test run, but I'm not sure. Still, there were things that could have been done to prevent this. Not only that, but the position he was put in in the company kind of led to this. First being shunted down to midcard when Austin nor HBK wouldn't work with him led to them trying midcard gimmick after midcard gimmick on him, which presumably led to Russo or whoever pitching the Debra idea. When Owen refused, that led to them deciding to reboot the Blue Blazer. The proper thing to have done was for Vince to let him go to WCW. For some reason, Owen was the only Hart Vince hesitated to let go of.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 8:56:13 GMT -5
I knew this 20th anniversary would be a grim day where I still wouldn't know what to say, but given the recent deaths of Silver King and Ashley Massaro it's even grimmer. Highlights that aspect of the wrestling business, which seemingly will never go away, even moreso.
I wish he was still with us, for all the reasons that aren't wrestling related.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 23, 2019 9:01:16 GMT -5
Yes it was a freak accident no one could see coming. I recall the F4W saying Owen did do a test run, but I'm not sure. Still, there were things that could have been done to prevent this. Not only that, but the position he was put in in the company kind of led to this. First being shunted down to midcard when Austin nor HBK wouldn't work with him led to them trying midcard gimmick after midcard gimmick on him, which presumably led to Russo or whoever pitching the Debra idea. When Owen refused, that led to them deciding to reboot the Blue Blazer. The proper thing to have done was for Vince to let him go to WCW. For some reason, Owen was the only Hart Vince hesitated to let go of. Bret mentions this in his book (yeah, I know...) Really tense, really ugly situation. Though I need to remember that this is Bret's story, but, you know. Basically, Owen was an innocent pawn in the game between Bret and Vince at the time. 1999 was another horrible year for deaths, now that I look at it. This, Rick Rude, outside of wrestling you had Dusty Springfield and then Jean Shepherd....
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2019 9:31:18 GMT -5
He should still be alive, it’s negligence from the wwe that he died. Meltzer said that they went with a cheaper option for him to be lowered down the ring. And like Paul Lazenby said in the Pollock podcast the other day, there is no f***ing excuse for not doing test runs with a real stuntman prior to the stunt. One proper run through and an experienced stunt man would’ve noticed that an inexperienced guy like Owen shouldn’t be using that style of quick release Sure it always looked clunky and awkward, but there’s a reason Sting always had a bitch of a time getting the harness unhooked. He was secure as f*** when he was doing it Meltzer said that they called the guy who did Sting’s entrance but they thought he was too expensive, then they went with a cheaper option and that’s why Owen is dead.
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Post by Venti on May 23, 2019 9:51:19 GMT -5
My heart goes out to his family. I could only imagine how rough this time of year must be even to this day.
It's sad, he would only be 54 if he were alive.
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Post by thecrusherwi on May 23, 2019 9:54:24 GMT -5
It was just so damn unnecessary. Even if it was executed perfectly, it basically adds nothing to the show. Would anyone even remember that stunt today? What a damn shame. It still makes me angry. Always will.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 23, 2019 10:08:45 GMT -5
The proper thing to have done was for Vince to let him go to WCW. For some reason, Owen was the only Hart Vince hesitated to let go of. Bret mentions this in his book (yeah, I know...) Really tense, really ugly situation. Though I need to remember that this is Bret's story, but, you know. Basically, Owen was an innocent pawn in the game between Bret and Vince at the time. 1999 was another horrible year for deaths, now that I look at it. This, Rick Rude, outside of wrestling you had Dusty Springfield and then Jean Shepherd.... According to both Bret and Martha, Owen was planning to retire from wrestling once his WWF contract expired. I don't know how long he had on it, but it was long enough for the WWF to have leverage over him and for Bret to tell him to just keep his head down, meet his commitments and be professional. The Blue Blazer stuff is evidence of that. It was a shitty gimmick, and such a huge drop from where Owen had been in the aftermath of Bret leaving the company. Supposedly a punishment for him refusing to do a love triangle angle with Jarrett and Debra. But he did it, and he put his all into it and he agreed to do a stunt that he wasn't comfortable with, because his boss wanted him to. And as already stated, it was just so nonsensical. A dangerous stunt, with cut corners, for a midcard comedy bit. It wasn't to further Owen's career, or to push an angle. It wasn't for anything.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 23, 2019 10:11:23 GMT -5
All I'll say after this is, I just want to remember the man and his work. Discuss what you like, though.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 23, 2019 10:20:57 GMT -5
I know it's become hipster to say this, but Owen was always my favorite Hart. I loved him, in the same way I loved a guy like Angle, Piper, Regal, guys who could be ass kickers, but could also do comedy.
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