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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 28, 2019 5:05:56 GMT -5
They really should be winning more in tag matches at least, since their chemistry and bond is what separates them from the rest of the teams in the division. It's like they think they can afford to lose every week because they'll just bounce back with their character work in those WWE.com videos, but they should be treated as serious threats when they're teamed up. I'd say just take the titles off them, but I'm not sure it really matters who the champs are because they've already stopped caring about the titles in general. I'll say I'm still glad Bayley's out of that awful tag team with Sasha, though. I think putting the titles on the Kabuki Warriors would probably help just because they're not going to be prone to getting jobbed out like the IIconics are. Asuka has always been very protected and Kairi's still new so they probably don't her doing to too many jobs already although I guess that can change. I also don't think they would want Paige looking dumb by managing a couple of losers. That's the only way I see the titles maybe getting treated better.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 5:09:11 GMT -5
They really should be winning more in tag matches at least, since their chemistry and bond is what separates them from the rest of the teams in the division. It's like they think they can afford to lose every week because they'll just bounce back with their character work in those WWE.com videos, but they should be treated as serious threats when they're teamed up. I'd say just take the titles off them, but I'm not sure it really matters who the champs are because they've already stopped caring about the titles in general. I'll say I'm still glad Bayley's out of that awful tag team with Sasha, though. I think putting the titles on the Kabuki Warriors would probably help just because they're not going to be prone to getting jobbed out like the IIconics are. Asuka has always been very protected and Kairi's still new so they probably don't her doing to too many jobs already although I guess that can change. I also don't think they would want Paige looking dumb by managing a couple of losers. That's the only way I see the titles maybe getting treated better. True, my concern wouldn't be so much Kabuki Warriors losing every week as it would be them just not being used on TV. When Asuka was SD Women's Champ she went weeks without even showing up on TV.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 28, 2019 5:10:57 GMT -5
They really should be winning more in tag matches at least, since their chemistry and bond is what separates them from the rest of the teams in the division. It's like they think they can afford to lose every week because they'll just bounce back with their character work in those WWE.com videos, but they should be treated as serious threats when they're teamed up. I'd say just take the titles off them, but I'm not sure it really matters who the champs are because they've already stopped caring about the titles in general. I'll say I'm still glad Bayley's out of that awful tag team with Sasha, though. I think putting the titles on the Kabuki Warriors would probably help just because they're not going to be prone to getting jobbed out like the IIconics are. Asuka has always been very protected and Kairi's still new so they probably don't her doing to too many jobs already although I guess that can change. I also don't think they would want Paige looking dumb by managing a couple of losers. That's the only way I see the titles maybe getting treated better. Plus, I think everything with the women is in a holding pattern (a proper one, not just shorthand for "these angles are lame") until after they're done with the He-Man Woman Haters Club over in Jeddah. I'd be very surprised if The IIconics are still champions after... what's this bloody thing called now, Stamp Up To Punchy or something, right?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 28, 2019 5:31:16 GMT -5
I think putting the titles on the Kabuki Warriors would probably help just because they're not going to be prone to getting jobbed out like the IIconics are. Asuka has always been very protected and Kairi's still new so they probably don't her doing to too many jobs already although I guess that can change. I also don't think they would want Paige looking dumb by managing a couple of losers. That's the only way I see the titles maybe getting treated better. True, my concern wouldn't be so much Kabuki Warriors losing every week as it would be them just not being used on TV. When Asuka was SD Women's Champ she went weeks without even showing up on TV. That's true and probably what would happen if they won the titles. Asuka's in a weird position where they like keeping her strong but at the same time don't want to push her to the forefront either. Therefore I could see their title reign being very much like Asuka's single title reign where they're off TV for most of it and then just lose it to a team they don't have to worry about booking strong like the IIconics again or Mandy and Sonya (both of whom are really good teams chemistry wise but won't get the booking to back them up).
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 28, 2019 5:38:24 GMT -5
I think putting the titles on the Kabuki Warriors would probably help just because they're not going to be prone to getting jobbed out like the IIconics are. Asuka has always been very protected and Kairi's still new so they probably don't her doing to too many jobs already although I guess that can change. I also don't think they would want Paige looking dumb by managing a couple of losers. That's the only way I see the titles maybe getting treated better. Plus, I think everything with the women is in a holding pattern (a proper one, not just shorthand for "these angles are lame") until after they're done with the He-Man Woman Haters Club over in Jeddah. I'd be very surprised if The IIconics are still champions after... what's this bloody thing called now, Stamp Up To Punchy or something, right? Yes. Presented by Wonton Beef Stew.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 28, 2019 5:59:28 GMT -5
You can give the titles to a team of chickenshit heels who rarely win matches. But then you have to come up with ways for them to avoid losing - outside interference, cheating, getting counted out, coming up with fake injuries and excuses for why they can't wrestle.
You don't just job them out in non-title matches. The WWE is f***ing hopeless.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 28, 2019 6:29:15 GMT -5
Bar none, the feeling WWE can just job their champions Willy-nilly and still expect them to stay marketable and over with crowds is one of the things that pisses me off about WWE the most. If they’re not effective, or if they can’t at least cheat well and outwit opponents, what’s the point of caring when someone finally beats them for the belt?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 6:33:30 GMT -5
I don't get this. Everyone keeps complaining about this and no one in WWE is taking note This pretty much sums up the entire product.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 28, 2019 6:41:26 GMT -5
You can give the titles to a team of chickenshit heels who rarely win matches. But then you have to come up with ways for them to avoid losing - outside interference, cheating, getting counted out, coming up with fake injuries and excuses for why they can't wrestle. You don't just job them out in non-title matches. The WWE is f***ing hopeless. The frustrating part is based on their online vids especially (plus their hard fought battle with the Brooklyn Belles ), the IIconics would be perfect for that role and very entertaining, but why bother playing to people’s strengths, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 6:52:54 GMT -5
WWE really wanted Sasha out I guess.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on May 28, 2019 6:58:34 GMT -5
Plus, I think everything with the women is in a holding pattern (a proper one, not just shorthand for "these angles are lame") until after they're done with the He-Man Woman Haters Club over in Jeddah. I'd be very surprised if The IIconics are still champions after... what's this bloody thing called now, Stamp Up To Punchy or something, right? Yes. Presented by Wonton Beef Stew. A show that is equal to or exceed the Fun With Ahmed videos...Nah nothing will ever exceed those.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 28, 2019 7:01:50 GMT -5
I hate champs losing so much. It hurts the champ and the title. The weird thing is how they say wins and losses don't matter but at the same time they make someone like Brock borderline invincible (unless you kick his dick) so they KNOW that wins and losses DO matter but just don't give a shit. You don't have Brock losing in 6 minutes to Bobby Roode in the middle of Raw but everyone else is allowed to randomly lose whenever even if you're a champion which should indicate you're one of the best.
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Post by Dub H on May 28, 2019 7:09:09 GMT -5
Thats depressing. WWE can never keep nice things going
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 7:33:57 GMT -5
Bar none, the feeling WWE can just job their champions Willy-nilly and still expect them to stay marketable and over with crowds is one of the things that pisses me off about WWE the most. If they’re not effective, or if they can’t at least cheat well and outwit opponents, what’s the point of caring when someone finally beats them for the belt? It's especially backwards and stupid when they're portrayed as total jokes as characters. They retain the belts? Well, now their opponents look like idiots for being beaten by such useless morons. They lose the belts? Who cares, they've been getting their comeuppance every week anyway.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 28, 2019 8:00:47 GMT -5
I hate champs losing so much. It hurts the champ and the title. The weird thing is how they say wins and losses don't matter but at the same time they make someone like Brock borderline invincible (unless you kick his dick) so they KNOW that wins and losses DO matter but just don't give a shit. You don't have Brock losing in 6 minutes to Bobby Roode in the middle of Raw but everyone else is allowed to randomly lose whenever even if you're a champion which should indicate you're one of the best. See, the the thing is that I personally love long reigning champions who win a lot, especially if they’re putting on good performances. Not every babyface character can be Johnny Gargano or Daniel Bryan. The problem with WWE’s booking structure is that it doesn’t matter who’s the champion since the belt holders choke so damn often, and the contenders get humiliated by the heels too much as of late because they have to “get sympathy.”
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Post by Tenshigure on May 28, 2019 8:10:50 GMT -5
Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins haven't even defended the titles in 7 weeks, and haven't even BEEN on television in the last 3. Their last televised match coincidentally happens to be the last time the Viking Raiders were ever on television as well.
I'm not saying the men have it worse or anything, I'm saying the tag divisions as a whole are treated as absolute garbage. They could retire those belts and I doubt anyone would notice the difference.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 28, 2019 8:15:16 GMT -5
I hate champs losing so much. It hurts the champ and the title. The weird thing is how they say wins and losses don't matter but at the same time they make someone like Brock borderline invincible (unless you kick his dick) so they KNOW that wins and losses DO matter but just don't give a shit. You don't have Brock losing in 6 minutes to Bobby Roode in the middle of Raw but everyone else is allowed to randomly lose whenever even if you're a champion which should indicate you're one of the best. See, the the thing is that I personally love long reigning champions who win a lot, especially if they’re putting on good performances. Not every babyface character can be Johnny Gargano or Daniel Bryan. The problem with WWE’s booking structure is that it doesn’t matter who’s the champion since the belt holders choke so damn often, and the contenders get humiliated by the heels too much as of late because they have to “get sympathy.” I agree I like fighting champions too. I'm actually surprised they've let Becky and Kofi win some matches since Mania and much to everyone's shock, they're the 2 most popular people! WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED?! The Gargano/Bryan thing is true too. There's a difference between being an "underdog" and just a flat out loser.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 28, 2019 8:19:12 GMT -5
I hate champs losing so much. It hurts the champ and the title. The weird thing is how they say wins and losses don't matter but at the same time they make someone like Brock borderline invincible (unless you kick his dick) so they KNOW that wins and losses DO matter but just don't give a shit. You don't have Brock losing in 6 minutes to Bobby Roode in the middle of Raw but everyone else is allowed to randomly lose whenever even if you're a champion which should indicate you're one of the best. See, the the thing is that I personally love long reigning champions who win a lot, especially if they’re putting on good performances. Not every babyface character can be Johnny Gargano or Daniel Bryan. The problem with WWE’s booking structure is that it doesn’t matter who’s the champion since the belt holders choke so damn often, and the contenders get humiliated by the heels too much as of late because they have to “get sympathy.” Weirdly enough, we actually do have a couple of strong champions right now in Kingston (WWE) and Lynch (RAW Women’s). Kingston hasn’t lost a match since he won the world title at WrestleMania, putting together a double-digit win streak that may be the longest of his entire WWE run, while Lynch has only two losses for the entire year and has also put together a career-best win streak in the process. You then have a tier below that with Rollins (Universal) and Balor (IC) where they’re booked fairly well, but a bit prone to dropping losses at times. I find there’s a next tier below that in Bryan/Rowan (SD Tag), who are beatable but aren’t total jobbers. Propping up the tiers are Hawkins/Ryder (RAW Tag) and The IIconics (Women’s Tag), teams who lucked into winning their belts and never got the power boost to start winning regularly like the top champions. Of the others, Bayley (SD Women’s) has only just won her belt but early signs are promising, Mysterio (US) hasn’t appeared since he won his because of injury, Nese (Cruiser) has been stringing along a career-best winning run of his own in complete anonymity and R-Truth (24/7) is doing comedy things with a comedy belt.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 28, 2019 8:33:45 GMT -5
See, the the thing is that I personally love long reigning champions who win a lot, especially if they’re putting on good performances. Not every babyface character can be Johnny Gargano or Daniel Bryan. The problem with WWE’s booking structure is that it doesn’t matter who’s the champion since the belt holders choke so damn often, and the contenders get humiliated by the heels too much as of late because they have to “get sympathy.” Weirdly enough, we actually do have a couple of strong champions right now in Kingston (WWE) and Lynch (RAW Women’s). Kingston hasn’t lost a match since he won the world title at WrestleMania, putting together a double-digit win streak that may be the longest of his entire WWE run, while Lynch has only two losses for the entire year and has also put together a career-best win streak in the process. You then have a tier below that with Rollins (Universal) and Balor (IC) where they’re booked fairly well, but a bit prone to dropping losses at times. I find there’s a next tier below that in Bryan/Rowan (SD Tag), who are beatable but aren’t total jobbers. Propping up the tiers are Hawkins/Ryder (RAW Tag) and The IIconics (Women’s Tag), teams who lucked into winning their belts and never got the power boost to start winning regularly like the top champions. Of the others, Bayley (SD Women’s) has only just won her belt but early signs are promising, Mysterio (US) hasn’t appeared since he won his because of injury, Nese (Cruiser) has been stringing along a career-best winning run of his own in complete anonymity and R-Truth (24/7) is doing comedy things with a comedy belt. Hawkins and Ryder should not be losing at all right now. They need to be built up. And Bryan and Rowan should not have lost to the Usos. It's time for some of these title holders to go on a tear. Look at LeBron James, he's the face of the NBA because he's got the results to back it up.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 28, 2019 11:50:04 GMT -5
Weirdly enough, we actually do have a couple of strong champions right now in Kingston (WWE) and Lynch (RAW Women’s). Kingston hasn’t lost a match since he won the world title at WrestleMania, putting together a double-digit win streak that may be the longest of his entire WWE run, while Lynch has only two losses for the entire year and has also put together a career-best win streak in the process. You then have a tier below that with Rollins (Universal) and Balor (IC) where they’re booked fairly well, but a bit prone to dropping losses at times. I find there’s a next tier below that in Bryan/Rowan (SD Tag), who are beatable but aren’t total jobbers. Propping up the tiers are Hawkins/Ryder (RAW Tag) and The IIconics (Women’s Tag), teams who lucked into winning their belts and never got the power boost to start winning regularly like the top champions. Of the others, Bayley (SD Women’s) has only just won her belt but early signs are promising, Mysterio (US) hasn’t appeared since he won his because of injury, Nese (Cruiser) has been stringing along a career-best winning run of his own in complete anonymity and R-Truth (24/7) is doing comedy things with a comedy belt. Hawkins and Ryder should not be losing at all right now. Which is why I said the last time I watched Raw they put them up against the Raider Experience and thought just how backwards that entire match was. Ryder and Hawkins are jobbers, at least in the eyes of fans. Hawkins' gimmick for the past like 2 years is that he was on a massive losing streak. Ryder has always been popular but he's never been booked terribly strongly for any good length of time. So they need to be built up again as an actual tag threat. The Experience Warriors are not at all established on the main roster and their entire gimmick being people that run roughshod needs to be hyped up so people give a crap about them. having the teams go 50/50 with them and having the War Vikings win in the end... just makes both teams look awful. The Champs are jobbed out, and the New Big Destroyer tag team looks like they barely managed to pull off a win against the team that never wins.
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