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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 28, 2019 12:10:39 GMT -5
Stop trying to turn this into a binary thing where somebody is required to "hate" one or the other. Simply making an observation about general posts nothing specifically. But the og post seems very much that if I’m being honest. I’m not defending them. I called the show shitty. I was pointing out how little WWE seems care about them if you were to only watch the programming and not read stories about people being locked into their contracts
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Post by BoomPeriod on May 28, 2019 12:19:36 GMT -5
AEW is all "Heeeyyyyyyy" and WWE is all "eh"
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 28, 2019 12:19:48 GMT -5
Vince probably does see it that way, but I couldn't disagree more with the part about most WWE superstars being disingenuous in their supportive messages about AEW. A strong landscape for professional wrestling is beneficial for them. An successful alternative they can use for leverage in negotiations is beneficial to them. They want options, they want their own company to be motivated to improve the quality of content, and they also have friends over there who they legit want to see succeed. Oh I don’t think they’re disingenuous. I just find it funny that people are trying build a narrative of a war when one side is openly and actively rooting for the other. But this narrative has nothing to do with the wrestlers who are actively doing any of the cheering. Nobody thinks "oh yeah Sami Zayn's gonna be pissed off about guys he worked with for years succeeding and the fact that the scene he came up through is on the rise", arguing from in a position against that is just fighting strawmen. It's WWE the company and its mangement that's being looked at for their response, not people we know to be friends of those involved, and the actual response WWE has given is not supportive and while not on-screen, is also hardly nothing.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 28, 2019 12:31:44 GMT -5
All WWE stars should be wishing that AEW succeeds, If there's a credible alternative for employment, it empowers wrestlers.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 28, 2019 12:55:55 GMT -5
Spike in AEW searches thanks to WWE
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 28, 2019 13:13:50 GMT -5
WWE is so far the only wrestling company ever to be publicly traded on the New York stock exchange.
They have just signed deals with Fox, USA and Saudi Arabia worth billions of dollars over the next 5-10 years.
There's a steady high return, low cost revenue stream in the Network.
Advertisement drives more revenue with PG-13.
Wrestlemania alone generates more income than a portion of some countries annual GDP.
Simply put, WWE doesn't have to sell another ticket or piece of merchandise for a few years and still be profitable.
Any new company, no matter how big the initial investment has a long, long way to go to generate steady income to survive initially and then profit and ultimately expand.
AEW isn't an established brand. We don't know the entire business model. Yes, it's critically exciting, but it's the same as Coca Cola being worried by say, Peter Jones Soda Company.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 28, 2019 13:33:11 GMT -5
Twitter didn't exist during the Monday night wars (thank the seven deities), but if it did, I imagine we would have seen much the same thing from WWF performers at the time, hoping that the competition takes off and succeeds.
The situations aren't the same, but both seem like they'd be pretty disheartening for the talent. WWF '96 was in financial peril and mired in outdated ideas, while WWE '19 is an obsessively micromanaged monopoly with a bloated roster and absolutely terrible time management of their broadcast product. Unless you're one of the chosen ones, neither situation offers much opportunity to shine or feel secure about your position in the promotion.
True company loyalists are rare, and that's how it should be. Competition makes things better for everyone.
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Post by Venti on May 28, 2019 13:42:24 GMT -5
I think Vince knows what he's doing, them nonchalantly acknowledging AEW makes it so when the crowds chant their name, it's less "oh crap how is WWE gonna respond" and more "yeah, so what?"
I like AEW and I'm definitely rooting for them, but the Triple H throne thing Cody did was super lame. But I guess it fits his heel character(?) and fans eat that stuff up.
Between that and how much WWE got mentioned this past weekend by AEW guys, it makes me so worried that they're gonna go the TNA route and I'm like "please never go full- TNA"
Anyway, I obviously am not gonna pretend like I know Vince, but I bet he probably enjoys as bit of competition.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 28, 2019 13:44:31 GMT -5
It’s been so long I’ve forgotten what it was like seeing wwe marks blindly defend them against other promotions that matter. Stop trying to turn this into a binary thing where somebody is required to "hate" one or the other. Yeah, after 20+ years I need to go to the mothballs and get my "I like both, what's wrong with that?" card out. /I wonder if there's an app for that now, and I need not bother?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 28, 2019 13:45:59 GMT -5
AEW has potential to be a great product and the mere existence of it might help WWE not have such shitty weekly tv. That's all I care about.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 28, 2019 13:50:02 GMT -5
WWE is so far the only wrestling company ever to be publicly traded on the New York stock exchange. They have just signed deals with Fox, USA and Saudi Arabia worth billions of dollars over the next 5-10 years. There's a steady high return, low cost revenue stream in the Network. Advertisement drives more revenue with PG-13. Wrestlemania alone generates more income than a portion of some countries annual GDP. Simply put, WWE doesn't have to sell another ticket or piece of merchandise for a few years and still be profitable. Any new company, no matter how big the initial investment has a long, long way to go to generate steady income to survive initially and then profit and ultimately expand. AEW isn't an established brand. We don't know the entire business model. Yes, it's critically exciting, but it's the same as Coca Cola being worried by say, Peter Jones Soda Company. This. You'll have to be a fan of The Act to get this, but it's like Dee Dee saying Gypsy Rose DID need a feeding tube. Gypsy wasn't perfect and ended up being a f***ed up person, but no. She didn't need it. Just like WWE doesn't need life support or what other people are saying. It'll survive. It survived worse down periods, so no. No one's going out of business. As such, WWE fans don't need to take offense or be afraid. Best case scenario is eventually AEW does push them to put more effort forth. Last time that happened, we got the 1998 boom period. But...hopefully that can happen, and will AEW hold up its DON quality to do so? I think of GWF back in the nineties, at first they got, well, global talent to show up in Dallas and had solid daily shows. But they couldn't maintain it and thusly we got the Grey Pierson era afterwards. We shall see if this will be same or different. Can I add that you are mostly not like other message boards or Facebook. You're willing to look at this and other topics in balanced POVs.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 28, 2019 13:51:09 GMT -5
I really do feel like the majority of the wrestlers see this as a great thing, a High Tide Raises All Ships type of development, for the same reason most fans see it as a good thing. Because it gives them a new option that won't have them trying to hustle 5 times as fast to make the same money on the indies that they would make in WWE if they leave, and because they're hoping this will finally light the fire under WWE to stop farting around and start making the decisions they need to make to make a better, more compelling show. Now certainly, how last night panned out is going to temper the latter belief, because the WWE decided to just keep doing business as usual, and at points went out of their way to make it even worse, but it's good to still be optimistic.
The only people who seem like they're sweating this or are down on it are management and stooges like Corbin, and personally, I've got zero time for that kind of blindness.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 28, 2019 14:00:22 GMT -5
Spike in AEW searches thanks to WWE
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Post by avenger on May 28, 2019 14:13:44 GMT -5
Twitter didn't exist during the Monday night wars (thank the seven deities), but if it did, I imagine we would have seen much the same thing from WWF performers at the time, hoping that the competition takes off and succeeds. The situations aren't the same, but both seem like they'd be pretty disheartening for the talent. WWF '96 was in financial peril and mired in outdated ideas, while WWE '19 is an obsessively micromanaged monopoly with a bloated roster and absolutely terrible time management of their broadcast product. Unless you're one of the chosen ones, neither situation offers much opportunity to shine or feel secure about your position in the promotion. True company loyalists are rare, and that's how it should be. Competition makes things better for everyone. The "WWF was in 1996 was in financial peril" was a bit of a myth, to be honest, that the WWF have pushed more than anything else because it makes the whole narrative of winning the Monday Night Wars bigger, because they "came back from the brink". In reality, TV ratings were less than WCW, but still averaged 2.49 from September 1996 to September 1997, PPV buyrates were slightly up on 1995 (which was the all time low for the then Big 5), but their live event revenue & merchandise held up, and at the time that was still the main source of revenue. Especially as they weren't paying out huge wages, and didn't have a big roster - look at how weak the Royal Rumble was, in terms of name talent, and they had to bring in five outsiders to make the numbers up (Dory Funk Jr, Doug Gilbert, Takao Omori & the Headhunters). The highest paid wrestler was Bret Hart, and he wasn't there for a few months, and out of contract.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 14:33:24 GMT -5
Alvarez said his people told him that the AEW line wasn't scripted. Meltzer then said his people told him that it was scripted.
In an update PWI said that their sources told them that it wasn't scripted and Zayn improvised it.
Sounds like WWE is still doing the "hey let's give different info to throw off how it was" thing. They did delete the line from their Youtube video however so there's that. WON said if Zayn did say it unscripted then he could be punished.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 28, 2019 14:38:39 GMT -5
Vince isn’t scared of AEW.
In Vince’s mind, he sees his production value, his roster, his empire ...and its untouchable. And he may be right.
Or come competing Television, things could heat up.
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Post by nate5054 on May 28, 2019 14:43:56 GMT -5
WON said if Zayn did say it unscripted then he could be punished. 6 more months on your contact pal, post-haste!
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Post by Shark on May 28, 2019 14:58:11 GMT -5
Aew: we’re here to start a war! Let me blow up a throne with a sledgehammer WWE: who cares?! Back to our crappy programming. Here’s a couple Of completely neutral references to you, and let’s use the word Elite or “all in” for some random things without actually insulting you. I think Vince called Xavier and E and pair of Young bucks once but for some reason people thought of if as coded language for the subtle race thing during the Kofi buildup. Superstars: YAY! Good for you! I’m watching your Ppv and rooting for you guys! It’s almost like Cody and the bucks are trying to be rebels and WWE comes off like “eh whatever, here’s some random shoutouts” and it’s talents sounds like “oh good for you guys”. I honestly think that's the smartest way for them to react. If they pulled something like Stan Kroenke, they'd have been raked over the coals by everyone. If they took it out on Natalya or Renee Young or Peyton Royce, that would really make their whole "We're progressive for women" thing look bad. Them essentially winking at the fans is just funny. Plus, it might have the side effect of goading Cody and the Bucks to keep jabbing at them and as we saw with Impact, that can turn off fans so it could end up backfiring.
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Post by eJm on May 28, 2019 15:16:20 GMT -5
Alvarez said his people told him that the AEW line wasn't scripted. Meltzer then said his people told him that it was scripted. In an update PWI said that their sources told them that it wasn't scripted and Zayn improvised it. Sounds like WWE is still doing the "hey let's give different info to throw off how it was" thing. They did delete the line from their Youtube video however so there's that. WON said if Zayn did say it unscripted then he could be punished. It was scripted, regardless of what anyone says. If that thing wasn’t scripted, Seth would have been out there WAY quicker than he did. The reason they cut it was to get people talking about how they cut it out in the same way they took out the “TNA” line from Kurt’s promo last year. In a company written to the T, I find it hard to believe someone would do that with all those eggshells around.
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Post by Mecca on May 28, 2019 15:36:51 GMT -5
Yea it's scripted, the AEW doesn't have room for anyone the WWE release so I don't see someone being an idiot on purpose that is actually getting consistent tv time.
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