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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 29, 2019 9:52:34 GMT -5
I know everyone always says "Oh you don't know how things are backstage it's all speculation" but it's wild to hear how the way he describes things is EXACTLY how fans think it is and complain about.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:02:44 GMT -5
Whoa he really hated being portrayed as a hobo that broke my heart. Yall dudes were pushing that hobo and idiot agenda that he hated. For every raccoon joke he hated his job a lil more lol.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 29, 2019 10:13:37 GMT -5
Whoa he really hated being portrayed as a hobo that broke my heart. Yall dudes were pushing that hobo and idiot agenda that he hated. For every raccoon joke he hated his job a lil more lol. He died for our hobo and rabies raccoon jokes.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 29, 2019 10:16:37 GMT -5
I keep hearing all this stuff from Jon, and now I'm imagining how much worse it must be for the women. Yet, Sasha is just a complainer... Somehow. I've said it before I dont blame Sasha for being unhappy, but I also dont think handled everything correctly (that also goes with some stories going around about how she has treated Bliss and s few other women that arent the Horsewomen). Not everybody is going to do or want to do what Mox did and tough it out until he can legally leave. But to me how he handled everything makes all the difference
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Post by Venti on May 29, 2019 10:22:29 GMT -5
I'm in the first few minutes, I love Chris keeping kayfabe 😁
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Post by MrElijah on May 29, 2019 10:30:34 GMT -5
Whoa he really hated being portrayed as a hobo that broke my heart. Yall dudes were pushing that hobo and idiot agenda that he hated. For every raccoon joke he hated his job a lil more lol. Irony is a motherf***er, isn't? And I say that as a person that pushed Hobo Ambrose.
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Post by MrElijah on May 29, 2019 10:34:18 GMT -5
After listening to this, I say again: could you imagine the wrestlers in the 80s and 90s in today's WWE? If Mox, a guy who really seems to be to the beat of his own drum type felt like this, could you imagine the stories we would get if Savage or Ventura worked there?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:38:52 GMT -5
Yall dudes were pushing that hobo and idiot agenda that he hated. For every raccoon joke he hated his job a lil more lol. Irony is a motherf***er, isn't? And I say that as a person that pushed Hobo Ambrose. He just never looked happy doing that stuff. I feel his best work was that Kingpin Ambrose later 2016 saga but shit even then they had him doing idiot stuff to a degree. He really set it up well saying they had him do silly and stupid stuff. Like man, people really got his character wrong.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on May 29, 2019 10:43:43 GMT -5
I know everyone always says "Oh you don't know how things are backstage it's all speculation" but it's wild to hear how the way he describes things is EXACTLY how fans think it is and complain about. It's funny because some fans fight against the notion that backstage is like Ambrose says, but we've heard countless writers and former creative members say exactly the same things and be written off as complainers or having sour grapes.
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Post by salz4life on May 29, 2019 10:47:36 GMT -5
I'm such a bigger fan of his now after listening to this interview. I can also now see why the Cody, The Bucks, and Omega didn't go there. WWE just stifles creativity. I like how he hopes that AEW can cause WWE to revisit their creative process.
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Post by MrElijah on May 29, 2019 10:50:54 GMT -5
Irony is a motherf***er, isn't? And I say that as a person that pushed Hobo Ambrose. He just never looked happy doing that stuff. I feel his best work was that Kingpin Ambrose later 2016 saga but shit even then they had him doing idiot stuff to a degree. He really set it up well saying they had him do silly and stupid stuff. Like man, people really got his character wrong. 1). Moxley is a pro, so good on him for doing what needed to be done the best way he can. 2). WWE has the issue of finding something that someone can do well/Vince likes and just sticking with that. Asuka is an example of that. She makes everyone look great. Sure she's too damn good to not be a Champion but she's also too good at making her opponents shine as well. No Way Jose, has energy and can be fun. But instead being a high end low card guy ala Disco Inferno, he's treated as a punching bag.
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Post by celtics543 on May 29, 2019 10:55:31 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but I plan to later today. My big question is whether Seth and Roman feel similarly? They are/were Moxley's best friends in the business, surely they've had conversations about all this stuff. Is it possible that AEW can lure the rest of the shield guys away? Imagine a company that uses Roman and Seth properly, that would be unreal.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 29, 2019 10:59:31 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but I plan to later today. My big question is whether Seth and Roman feel similarly? They are/were Moxley's best friends in the business, surely they've had conversations about all this stuff. Is it possible that AEW can lure the rest of the shield guys away? Imagine a company that uses Roman and Seth properly, that would be unreal. I know Seth had some issues in developmental which almost got him fired. I also feel like Roman had issues when he was always booed
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 29, 2019 10:59:52 GMT -5
That was a wonderful listen. I just love how happy he sounds with genuinely everything and how much he just wants to help, he's so invigorated, and frankly, if this is how Dean, a very pushed wrestler for a lot of his tenure felt getting out, imagine how a Rusev or a Harper might feel getting the hell out...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:06:16 GMT -5
He just never looked happy doing that stuff. I feel his best work was that Kingpin Ambrose later 2016 saga but shit even then they had him doing idiot stuff to a degree. He really set it up well saying they had him do silly and stupid stuff. Like man, people really got his character wrong. 1). Moxley is a pro, so good on him for doing what needed to be done the best way he can. 2). WWE has the issue of finding something that someone can do well/Vince likes and just sticking with that. Asuka is an example of that. She makes everyone look great. Sure she's too damn good to not be a Champion but she's also too good at making her opponents shine as well. No Way Jose, has energy and can be fun. But instead being a high end low card guy ala Disco Inferno, he's treated as a punching bag. Sadly enough Asuka as well ended up as that weird Japanese woman who gets mad and screams Japanese insults at you because Vince thinks it's funny. We need a breakdown of who everyone is and how Vince sees them based on their characters.
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Post by realist on May 29, 2019 11:14:41 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but I plan to later today. My big question is whether Seth and Roman feel similarly? They are/were Moxley's best friends in the business, surely they've had conversations about all this stuff. Is it possible that AEW can lure the rest of the shield guys away? Imagine a company that uses Roman and Seth properly, that would be unreal. I would imagine that they probably feel similarly if not the exact same, but not everyone can just pack up and leave. Roman has a wife, three kids, and just finished battling leukemia. I'm sure that he realizes that life is short and health is fleeting, so he is probably trying to make as much money as possible for his family while he can. Also, he probably feels that if he battled that illness again or anything else happened to him, Vince/HHH may be willing to look out for his loved ones out of his loyalty as a top guy, like they have done for HBK, Taker, and Ultimate Warrior's family. To sum up my rambling, I would be shocked if Roman Reigns didn't have a few gripes, but he probably appreciates the stability more.
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Post by ayumidah on May 29, 2019 11:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2019 11:24:28 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but I plan to later today. My big question is whether Seth and Roman feel similarly? They are/were Moxley's best friends in the business, surely they've had conversations about all this stuff. Is it possible that AEW can lure the rest of the shield guys away? Imagine a company that uses Roman and Seth properly, that would be unreal. I would imagine that they probably feel similarly if not the exact same, but not everyone can just pack up and leave. Roman has a wife, three kids, and just finished battling leukemia. I'm sure that he realizes that life is short and health is fleeting, so he is probably trying to make as much money as possible for his family while he can. Also, he probably feels that if he battled that illness again or anything else happened to him, Vince/HHH may be willing to look out for his loved ones out of his loyalty as a top guy, like they have done for HBK, Taker, and Ultimate Warrior's family. To sum up my rambling, I would be shocked if Roman Reigns didn't have a few gripes, but he probably appreciates the stability more. Reigns would probably be dumb to leave, he's that dude they'll pay till he's like 65 just because he's a legend etc etc. Seth on the other hand...I could see that one.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 11:30:04 GMT -5
Jesus, the problem definitely starts and ends with Vince himself. And Ambrose is right. It isn’t just Vince, it’s the mindset he likely has had since 2002. Everything has been the same since 2002, and I think that shows till this day. On top of that, he genuinely thinks his ideas are what works. I knew it wasn’t about “sticking it” or being spiteful to the fans, the dude just seriously thinks that his ideas are what’ll work for everyone. The wrestlers, the sponsors, the network, etc. Some crazy shit being said, honestly.
Also, I’m so happy to hear that we weren’t the only ones thinking the EW SMELLY POO POO promo were sixteen levels of cringe lmao the Roman stuff was what got me. I had assumed that Roman talked it over, but nah. Vince just let it happen not once, but a likely second time due to wanting to get Ambrose a reaction without letting him be himself.
I’m not sure that every single person feels this way about Vince, but it wouldn’t shock me if the majority were frustrated with the story or not even being used whatsoever, that goes for the men and the women.
On top of that, I guess the idea of “paying your dues on your way out” really is bullshit lmao
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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2019 11:35:30 GMT -5
1). Moxley is a pro, so good on him for doing what needed to be done the best way he can. 2). WWE has the issue of finding something that someone can do well/Vince likes and just sticking with that. Asuka is an example of that. She makes everyone look great. Sure she's too damn good to not be a Champion but she's also too good at making her opponents shine as well. No Way Jose, has energy and can be fun. But instead being a high end low card guy ala Disco Inferno, he's treated as a punching bag. Sadly enough Asuka as well ended up as that weird Japanese woman who gets mad and screams Japanese insults at you because Vince thinks it's funny. We need a breakdown of who everyone is and how Vince sees them based on their characters. Rusev- Vince:Ugly Brutish Foreigner. Reality:Goofy Loveable Teddy Bear
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