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Post by domrep on May 29, 2019 13:09:58 GMT -5
Listening to this just further strengthens the point that Sasha went about this the wrong way. They're gonna add time to her contract, that's a guarantee. If her entire thing is that she wants to leave, she should have just done what Dean did, bite your tongue, and just let your contract expire.
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Post by spagett on May 29, 2019 13:11:14 GMT -5
The big difference between this and the Punk podcast is that with Punk you were listening to a man who had completely and utterly fallen out of love with wrestling.
In fact a man who seemed to hate wrestling, he admitted he was bitter and here we are 5 and a half years and he's not returned or had a wrestling match anywhere.
With Moxley you're listening to a man who has re-discovered his love and passion for wrestling, who is excited and motivated. So even though both podcasts are similar ultimately the Moxley one is actually much more upbeat than Punks was.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 29, 2019 13:15:31 GMT -5
To be fair, heels should be entertaining but not likable. Still, if this was Attitude or even Ruthless Aggression, entertaining heels would be made into (possibly Flanderised) babyfaces. Heck, even the New Generation did it with Razor (good) and Doink (Baaaaaad).
Somewhere Vince decided everything had to be part of the plan and nothing more, nothing less. That's the issue.
In a perfect world, things would flip flop and NXT would be the main roster. That seems like it would be the only real fix out there and hey, last time WWF imitated a smaller company and one it (secretly) had a stake in, we got the Boom of 1998. But we won't see anyone get the reins until...don't want to say it cause whether everyone will admit it or not, Vince is on the list of people some of us aren't ready for, like we talked about with Ric Flair and others.
Thing is I don't want WWE to go away...there are people who like it despite the foibles. I am a WRESTLING FAN, not just a WWE, AEW, or back then WCW, ECW, etc. etc. fan. I am a lifer in ways, I guess, there's history there. Also, I just don't like negativity.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -5
I mean, we don’t even know what the comparison is. We never got much more of the story about the hotel floor from any of the apparent 4 sources. Were they drunk? Were they loud? Laughing? Were there noise complaints? Did security have to be involved? Like, there’s not much outside of that it happened. And also there’s a wide history of powerful men in the entertainment industry saying women are “too difficult to work with” for standing up for themselves like men have and basically not getting much work from it. I’m not saying that’s the case with Sasha but the wrestling industry is still full of really insecure people. Sasha could have been lied to or pushed around. And as I said earlier there is nothing wrong with being unhappy and wanting to move on. I have just always gotten a vibe from Sasha that isnt great which is probably not fair. That’s the thing, like I will gladly admit I was wrong and Sasha’s actually really difficult to work with and everyone actually hates her but nothing seems to have come out saying that. Just that she was annoyed by stuff, something we’ve heard countless times over the last few months from people. Hell, none of that even happened with Neville and from what we properly know right now, gender is the only difference in the two situations.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 13:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 29, 2019 13:20:45 GMT -5
The big difference between this and the Punk podcast is that with Punk you were listening to a man who had completely and utterly fallen out of love with wrestling. In fact a man who seemed to hate wrestling, he admitted he was bitter and here we are 5 and a half years and he's not returned or had a wrestling match anywhere. With Moxley you're listening to a man who has re-discovered his love and passion for wrestling, who is excited and motivated. So even though both podcasts are similar ultimately the Moxley one is actually much more upbeat than Punks was. Unless you count that spot where he ran in masked. That and Punk was all out burying everything about his stay. At least Mox mentioned the good things about being in WWE too. All jobs are like that...they're pains in the ass, but there's good things too. (Call me nuts, it's just me as always looking at both ways)
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 29, 2019 13:27:17 GMT -5
I keep hearing all this stuff from Jon, and now I'm imagining how much worse it must be for the women. Yet, Sasha is just a complainer... Somehow. I've said it before I dont blame Sasha for being unhappy, but I also dont think handled everything correctly (that also goes with some stories going around about how she has treated Bliss and s few other women that arent the Horsewomen). Not everybody is going to do or want to do what Mox did and tough it out until he can legally leave. But to me how he handled everything makes all the difference So... You’re giving him props for working through a depression just to make a point after the fact? I’m not cool with that. The amount of suffering one is willing to take doesn’t make what they have to say more valid. Especially in this case where it’s clear the workplace is causing a lot of harm to numerous employees, physically and mentally.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 29, 2019 13:34:29 GMT -5
Finished listening to it this morning. I wonder what the Roman line he veto’d was that would of landed wwe in hot water. Probably something to the effect of “you better hope your cancer kills you before I do”’ or knowing Vince a probably more gruesome descriptive version of that. From the looks of it though, unless wwe changes creatively, there is probably a better chance of a shield reunion in AEW than WWE
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 29, 2019 13:34:30 GMT -5
Well that was a f***ing listen. Lots of bombs there, but at the same time nothing about it is so monstrously "Holy shit", which is what's interesting to me. Everything he said lines up with what's already been said and is simply the explicit firsthand account of it from someone on the inside. It confirms a lot of things and is still absolutely worth listening to for the scope of it, which is what makes it really interesting. I was hanging off every word of it and even though it didn't bring on anything unbelievable and insane I still feel like I've learned a lot. It's a weird feeling, this was a trip.
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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2019 13:44:49 GMT -5
Well that was a f***ing listen. Lots of bombs there, but at the same time nothing about it is so monstrously "Holy shit", which is what's interesting to me. Everything he said lines up with what's already been said and is simply the explicit firsthand account of it from someone on the inside. It confirms a lot of things and is still absolutely worth listening to for the scope of it, which is what makes it really interesting. I was hanging off every word of it and even though it didn't bring on anything unbelievable and insane I still feel like I've learned a lot. It's a weird feeling, this was a trip. You could even say that This episode is good shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 13:45:02 GMT -5
Vince reminds me of Mr. Burns when he thought the film he was in was great but the audience started booing him.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 29, 2019 13:46:39 GMT -5
Finished listening to it this morning. I wonder what the Roman line he veto’d was that would of landed wwe in hot water. Probably something to the effect of “you better hope your cancer kills you before I do”’ or knowing Vince a probably more gruesome descriptive version of that. From the looks of it though, unless wwe changes creatively, there is probably a better chance of a shield reunion in AEW than WWE I dunno, I was thinking something worse, like a Warrior style "you deserve it" kinda thing.
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Post by ANuclearError on May 29, 2019 13:51:33 GMT -5
Well that was a f***ing listen. Lots of bombs there, but at the same time nothing about it is so monstrously "Holy shit", which is what's interesting to me. Everything he said lines up with what's already been said and is simply the explicit firsthand account of it from someone on the inside. It confirms a lot of things and is still absolutely worth listening to for the scope of it, which is what makes it really interesting. I was hanging off every word of it and even though it didn't bring on anything unbelievable and insane I still feel like I've learned a lot. It's a weird feeling, this was a trip.
I think it's simply the sheer fact that a guy who has been a mainstay in WWE's upper-card and main event scene for at least 5 years now is coming out and saying it all.
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Post by nm on May 29, 2019 13:54:24 GMT -5
who else got like 3 hours of sleep because they had to listen to this whole thing at 4 am
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 29, 2019 13:54:57 GMT -5
Just turned it on and I immediately feel like, "Oh! It's such good shit!" is going to be the Vince-ism people take from this. I'm so ready to force this meme and I don't care what it takes.
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Post by Chiral on May 29, 2019 13:59:15 GMT -5
"[Vince] has got the Million Dollar Man complex," Moxley stated. "That's why he pays Brock [Lesnar] billions of dollars to come in and ruin his company. Because he wants to own Brock. He wants to be like, 'Brock's my attraction!' A guy he has no power over (me), he doesn't know how to handle it."
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 14:04:43 GMT -5
"[Vince] has got the Million Dollar Man complex," Moxley stated. "That's why he pays Brock [Lesnar] billions of dollars to come in and ruin his company. Because he wants to own Brock. He wants to be like, 'Brock's my attraction!' A guy he has no power over (me), he doesn't know how to handle it." Honestly, I’m glad he said that because this is what I’ve been saying about why Vince keeps bringing Brock back. He wants him and is scared about what happens if Brock isn’t there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 14:09:14 GMT -5
For as "mild mannered" as Dean is, you have to wonder how many other guys feel this way
Yes, even Roman can feel this way too to which i'm sure him Seth and Dean have all discussed this. If it was that much a struggle for a guy near the top like Dean, it is damn sure a bigger struggle for others not even close to his level
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 29, 2019 14:10:22 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet but I plan to later today. My big question is whether Seth and Roman feel similarly? They are/were Moxley's best friends in the business, surely they've had conversations about all this stuff. Is it possible that AEW can lure the rest of the shield guys away? Imagine a company that uses Roman and Seth properly, that would be unreal. I joked about this before (Moxley, Tyler Black, And Joe Anoa’i: Moxley’s Crew!!!). But, yeah, the Shield done the way Moxley has done his new vignettes would be very, very intriguing.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 29, 2019 14:13:17 GMT -5
As far as the Brock stuff goes, this all kind of lines up with stuff other people have said. Cornette comes to mind when talking about Ultimate Warrior and why Vince kept taking trying to take him back amid him being a headcase and screwing Vince over. Even people who burn him come back to Vince looking for a paycheck eventually, and he's the one who stands tall at the end. In the end, Vince owns everyone and his money speaks louder than anything else.
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