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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:22:55 GMT -5
Plenty of reports came out about how Shield kept to themselves for a long time. Roman And Dean being cool with each other Seth wasn’t even close to them at first. Years later that changed, and Roman is also one of the “leaders” in locker room but Mox not talking to women on top of being a loner. I’d get rubbed plenty of people wrong way like punk did. Basically:Dean is an introvert. Society still has problems with introverts. They can be seen as "anti-social" and "rude" when they just want to keep to thenselves. Good point. I don't know why, as someone who's also introverted, that didn't occur to me.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jun 7, 2019 11:03:55 GMT -5
Basically:Dean is an introvert. Society still has problems with introverts. They can be seen as "anti-social" and "rude" when they just want to keep to thenselves. Good point. I don't know why, as someone who's also introverted, that didn't occur to me. I actually deal with this a lot. Being a professional musician, I'm in places where I am the focal point on a nightly basis. On stage, I'm a cocky extrovert who loves the attention of the crowd. Once the music is done, I take the closest possible exit to the greenroom, dressing room, outside...whatever private area I can get to and do my best not to come back out. I have gotten a reputation of being an asshole or aloof, but the truth is, I'm uncomfortable with 1-on-1 attention from strangers. I have extreme social anxiety and just like to keep to myself. The rep is unwarranted, but it's the price I pay for my own comfort and peace of mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:46:53 GMT -5
Good point. I don't know why, as someone who's also introverted, that didn't occur to me. I actually deal with this a lot. Being a professional musician, I'm in places where I am the focal point on a nightly basis. On stage, I'm a cocky extrovert who loves the attention of the crowd. Once the music is done, I take the closest possible exit to the greenroom, dressing room, outside...whatever private area I can get to and do my best not to come back out. I have gotten a reputation of being an asshole or aloof, but the truth is, I'm uncomfortable with 1-on-1 attention from strangers. I have extreme social anxiety and just like to keep to myself. The rep is unwarranted, but it's the price I pay for my own comfort and peace of mind. I relate to this so much you have no idea.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 7, 2019 15:05:15 GMT -5
1. Vince himself knows it's a broken system? What the f*** is he doing? He'd rather have a broken system than undo what he thinks of as a meritocracy. A big big part of him likes the chaos and inability for people to plan ahead. If you make it hard for people to thrive as individual performers, but they do well anyway, then hooray, that's just like the old territory days when people Got Over Because Of Their Own Merit! If you have to fight the system to win, then the ones who do must be like super awesome masculine. I'm sure he doesn't like the specific way things are now, even if he doesn't know how to fix it. But he wouldn't change the real base problems that need fixing, because it's important to him ideologically.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jun 7, 2019 15:31:14 GMT -5
I actually deal with this a lot. Being a professional musician, I'm in places where I am the focal point on a nightly basis. On stage, I'm a cocky extrovert who loves the attention of the crowd. Once the music is done, I take the closest possible exit to the greenroom, dressing room, outside...whatever private area I can get to and do my best not to come back out. I have gotten a reputation of being an asshole or aloof, but the truth is, I'm uncomfortable with 1-on-1 attention from strangers. I have extreme social anxiety and just like to keep to myself. The rep is unwarranted, but it's the price I pay for my own comfort and peace of mind. I relate to this so much you have no idea. I felt so alone in this until I read Neil Peart's book, "Roadshow". The dude is the greatest drummer of all time in one of the biggest bands ever, but he can't handle direct attention. The way he described it in his books just nailed it, because it's a complete dichotomy, being an entertainer who can't handle attention. It was always hard to explain to other people. I just ape his description of the feeling now. And after reading his justification of WHY he doesn't feel the need to put himself through it, I lost all the guilt I felt for being that way. It was so freeing knowing that it was ok to feel the way I felt, and that I didn't have to go through it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 15:36:15 GMT -5
I relate to this so much you have no idea. I felt so alone in this until I read Neil Peart's book, "Roadshow". The dude is the greatest drummer of all time in one of the biggest bands ever, but he can't handle direct attention. The way he described it in his books just nailed it, because it's a complete dichotomy, being an entertainer who can't handle attention. It was always hard to explain to other people. I just ape his description of the feeling now. And after reading his justification of WHY he doesn't feel the need to put himself through it, I lost all the guilt I felt for being that way. It was so freeing knowing that it was ok to feel the way I felt, and that I didn't have to go through it. This sounds like a great book thanks. I see it's free on audiobook and 10 bucks for Kindle so I'll grab it.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jun 7, 2019 15:50:06 GMT -5
I felt so alone in this until I read Neil Peart's book, "Roadshow". The dude is the greatest drummer of all time in one of the biggest bands ever, but he can't handle direct attention. The way he described it in his books just nailed it, because it's a complete dichotomy, being an entertainer who can't handle attention. It was always hard to explain to other people. I just ape his description of the feeling now. And after reading his justification of WHY he doesn't feel the need to put himself through it, I lost all the guilt I felt for being that way. It was so freeing knowing that it was ok to feel the way I felt, and that I didn't have to go through it. This sounds like a great book thanks. I see it's free on audiobook and 10 bucks for Kindle so I'll grab it. He's an extremely gifted writer, mixing autobiography in with travel writing and observational, borderline philosophical jaunts. With a healthy dose of music mixed in, of course. I recommend all his books. "Ghost Rider" details his journey, entirely by motorcycle, after his daughter and wife passed less than 10 months apart. He quit music and spent more than 2 years travelling completely alone through North and South America. "Travelling Music" is about a weekend trip he took from California to a national park in Texas in one of his classic cars, and the music he listened to along the way. There is a LOT of cool musical stuff in this one. "The Masked Rider" is about a cycling trip he took through Africa in the late 80s, and the local folks he met along the way. I haven't read some of his newer ones just due to a lack of time, but I have loved the 4 that I have, and absolutely WILL read the others one day.
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Post by Casey Jones on Jun 9, 2019 3:33:09 GMT -5
How do you stage a coup when the dude has 80%+ of the voting shares and all the shares he sells convert to non-voting? I guess you could try and get the SEC to look into if it's legal... Hunter and everyone loyal to him puts their foot down and says they're done with this shit until he steps down. Something has to give here and at this rate it's going to be the company before it's Vince himself. I remember a Vince interview from a few years back. Although I can't remember it verbatim. He said something like "I have a group of people around me that I trust to tell me that it's time to hang it up. I would then of course tell them that their crazy and I'd go back to work" Seems like Vince plans to run things until he's dead.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 9, 2019 4:42:58 GMT -5
Hunter and everyone loyal to him puts their foot down and says they're done with this shit until he steps down. Something has to give here and at this rate it's going to be the company before it's Vince himself. I remember a Vince interview from a few years back. Although I can't remember it verbatim. He said something like "I have a group of people around me that I trust to tell me that it's time to hang it up. I would then of course tell them that their crazy and I'd go back to work" Seems like Vince plans to run things until he's dead. It's delusion. Vince believes he has people who will tell him when it's time to hang it up, but once it's time to hang it up he refuses to believe it and pushes on firm in the knowledge he's right. Some people just can't let go of power and Vince is the kind of control freak who is going to have to be taken by force, either his health or mutiny.
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Post by Casey Jones on Jun 9, 2019 5:20:27 GMT -5
I remember a Vince interview from a few years back. Although I can't remember it verbatim. He said something like "I have a group of people around me that I trust to tell me that it's time to hang it up. I would then of course tell them that their crazy and I'd go back to work" Seems like Vince plans to run things until he's dead. It's delusion. Vince believes he has people who will tell him when it's time to hang it up, but once it's time to hang it up he refuses to believe it and pushes on firm in the knowledge he's right. Some people just can't let go of power and Vince is the kind of control freak who is going to have to be taken by force, either his health or mutiny. Yeah. That's what he pretty much said in the interview. Dude isn't going anywhere anytime soon
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Post by mrtuesday on Jun 9, 2019 6:01:53 GMT -5
I remember a Vince interview from a few years back. Although I can't remember it verbatim. He said something like "I have a group of people around me that I trust to tell me that it's time to hang it up. I would then of course tell them that their crazy and I'd go back to work" Seems like Vince plans to run things until he's dead. It's delusion. Vince believes he has people who will tell him when it's time to hang it up, but once it's time to hang it up he refuses to believe it and pushes on firm in the knowledge he's right. Some people just can't let go of power and Vince is the kind of control freak who is going to have to be taken by force, either his health or mutiny. Vince is still majority shareholder. Even if there was a mutiny, it wouldn't mean anything.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 9, 2019 6:06:58 GMT -5
It's delusion. Vince believes he has people who will tell him when it's time to hang it up, but once it's time to hang it up he refuses to believe it and pushes on firm in the knowledge he's right. Some people just can't let go of power and Vince is the kind of control freak who is going to have to be taken by force, either his health or mutiny. Vince is still majority shareholder. Even if there was a mutiny, it wouldn't mean anything. I mean the kind of mutiny where everyone in the company just says "No more" and puts him in a position where his only choice is to concede or work a three hour match with Michael Hayes to fulfill TV commitments. It won't ever happen, but a strike would get shit done.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jun 9, 2019 8:38:04 GMT -5
Good point. I don't know why, as someone who's also introverted, that didn't occur to me. I actually deal with this a lot. Being a professional musician, I'm in places where I am the focal point on a nightly basis. On stage, I'm a cocky extrovert who loves the attention of the crowd. Once the music is done, I take the closest possible exit to the greenroom, dressing room, outside...whatever private area I can get to and do my best not to come back out. I have gotten a reputation of being an asshole or aloof, but the truth is, I'm uncomfortable with 1-on-1 attention from strangers. I have extreme social anxiety and just like to keep to myself. The rep is unwarranted, but it's the price I pay for my own comfort and peace of mind. Being an introvert with an epic amount of anxiety, I feel this on a molecular level. Working in the film industry, I always thought that being good at what I did would be enough to get me jobs so I never did the schmoozing at premieres or film festivals. In fact, I tended to avoid those altogether. Then I saw more and more people who were less talented than me get better gigs. So, I decided that for a year, I’d do all the social stuff. I was always exhausted after but, man, did I start getting better work. Once I was established as a ‘good guy’ and a ‘great worker’ I could ease off the social stuff. But, man, that 18 or so months was exhausting.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 9, 2019 11:18:58 GMT -5
I actually deal with this a lot. Being a professional musician, I'm in places where I am the focal point on a nightly basis. On stage, I'm a cocky extrovert who loves the attention of the crowd. Once the music is done, I take the closest possible exit to the greenroom, dressing room, outside...whatever private area I can get to and do my best not to come back out. I have gotten a reputation of being an asshole or aloof, but the truth is, I'm uncomfortable with 1-on-1 attention from strangers. I have extreme social anxiety and just like to keep to myself. The rep is unwarranted, but it's the price I pay for my own comfort and peace of mind. Being an introvert with an epic amount of anxiety, I feel this on a molecular level. Working in the film industry, I always thought that being good at what I did would be enough to get me jobs so I never did the schmoozing at premieres or film festivals. In fact, I tended to avoid those altogether. Then I saw more and more people who were less talented than me get better gigs. So, I decided that for a year, I’d do all the social stuff. I was always exhausted after but, man, did I start getting better work. Once I was established as a ‘good guy’ and a ‘great worker’ I could ease off the social stuff. But, man, that 18 or so months was exhausting. I am veyr itnroverted too but I have part of my dad's talent of socializing. But afterwards I just wish to never do it again.
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