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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 14:48:48 GMT -5
I think to play Devils Advocate, here this is a scenario where we still have to remember despite the Vince insanity, people do love being in WWE for a variety of their own reasons It's "fun" to speculate and map out a scenario where there is a mass exodus but that really isn't the scenario. I do think if you gave people the option about 25% would dip tho but the flip side is not all of them would end up with a sticking point but they could live off that WWE money for a while Some of those dudes would be more than happy to stay if others left they'd then get used more. As much as Ziggler has bitched I don't think he'd leave, but still AEW Isn't going to have spots for everyone. AEW, Japan, Indies all in general aren't just looking to pick up everyone nor do they have the space to make those things happen Right now it is an influx. Some guys are looking at Kofi as that virtue of light to finally break though. However, let's also remember Kofi has always had something to do But looking at Dean, he's the other side of the coin. A guy who could make a big impact and wasn't afraid to say what he really felt |
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Post by Sicho100 on May 30, 2019 14:51:04 GMT -5
I have to correct you on this, because this is an insane statement that Meltzer made that, if it were anyone else making it, I would immediately dismiss it, and the magnitude of it makes me still question it even coming from Meltzer. Meltzer did not say that there were two hands worth of people that have inquired about the outside. He said that there were one-to-two hands worth of people that HAVEN'T inquired about the outside. Wait, are you saying it's even WORSE than we thought? Damn, that's insane. I thought I misheard it but shit. Yeah, he was saying the hands-worth of people was the people not looking at the outside, though, given that we are talking about (a) Dave Meltzer, (b) speaking extemporaneously, and (c) that insane level of magnitude, I don't blame you for thinking that he meant that it was the handsful that wanted out (especially since he then said "including names that would shock you," which, grammatically, should mean that the names that would shock you are among those that haven't inquired about the outside, but Dave clearly meant that the names that would shock you are among those who have looked at the outside.) I've included a verbatim transcript of the relevant portion below, that, for context for those without a subscription, was then immediately followed up by Bryan mentioning that he doesn't remember such a widespread desire to leave like this since late WCW. I'm still a bit skeptical of it being that dramatic (I mean, it would require Dave to know the feelings of roughly everyone on the roster, which, though he is obviously well-sourced, I doubt he is that well-sourced, especially given that earlier in the show Meltzer speculated that Chad Gable must be frustrated, but suggested that he didn't have any special information that he is. Maybe Meltzer does know something about Gable but isn't willing to say explicitly that he does - either because what he knows was off the record, or that he just doesn't want to expose that Gable is a source - but he at least suggests that he doesn't know about Gable's actual feelings, so, if he doesn't have Gable, how many other guys does he not have?), but that is what Meltzer said (and the question already mentioned a handful of people, so Meltzer saying that one-to-two handfuls of people wanting to leave wouldn't be the "way more that [we are] not aware of," so he definitely was saying remarkably few aren't looking at the outside). Transcript (beginning at 1:09:37):
ALVAREZ: This person wants to know if there has ever been a time where more WWE talent have been disgruntled and wanted to leave the company than there is now, looking at Dean, Sasha, Revival, Luke Harper, probably more that I'm forgetting or we aren't aware of. MELTZER: Oh, there's way more that you're not aware of. I would go so far as to say that there are very few people, and you can count them on one-to-two hands, that have not at least inquired regarding what's outside. Including names that would shock you. |
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2019 14:53:20 GMT -5
Dave has been pushing the narrative that Chad Gable is being wasted and he'd be better off leaving and coming back in 3 years after making a name outside of the WWE, Dave brings him up because that is a personal narrative Dave has written for the guy in his mind.
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Post by Sicho100 on May 30, 2019 15:00:02 GMT -5
Dave has been pushing the narrative that Chad Gable is being wasted and he'd be better off leaving and coming back in 3 years after making a name outside of the WWE, Dave brings him up because that is a personal narrative Dave has written for the guy in his mind. Gable and Mojo are Meltzer's two biggest go-to guys for how people are being wasted and would be much better off leaving and making a name for themselves elsewhere, but the way he focuses on those two specifically kinda makes me think that they may be sources of his, and he just phrases what he knows about their mindset in such a way as to try to avoid accidentally revealing that they are sources. Obviously I'm just speculating on this, but it would help explain why he always points to those two. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 30, 2019 15:07:20 GMT -5
Some of those dudes would be more than happy to stay if others left they'd then get used more. As much as Ziggler has bitched I don't think he'd leave, but still AEW Isn't going to have spots for everyone. AEW, Japan, Indies all in general aren't just looking to pick up everyone nor do they have the space to make those things happen Right now it is an influx. Some guys are looking at Kofi as that virtue of light to finally break though. However, let's also remember Kofi has always had something to do But looking at Dean, he's the other side of the coin. A guy who could make a big impact and wasn't afraid to say what he really felt Even after having finally got the belt, I wouldn't be surprised if Kofi's looking at an exit strategy. Especially after having to do a promotional interview talking up the KSA show that most of the roster is falling over themselves to NOT have to go to. Xavier's definitely probably got to want to be wanting to jump ship, giving him time to start up the development studio he wants to had. E and Kofi would go with him if he wanted to go. And being as tight with Kenny and the Bucks as they are, they'd pretty much be guaranteed spots. |
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2019 15:10:16 GMT -5
Xavier Woods actually has some creative freedom there..it would surprise me if they took off.
I get that people flip out about the Saudi show but lets not act like basically every other company wouldn't do the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 15:15:00 GMT -5
Wait, are you saying it's even WORSE than we thought? Damn, that's insane. I thought I misheard it but shit. Yeah, he was saying the hands-worth of people was the people not looking at the outside, though, given that we are talking about (a) Dave Meltzer, (b) speaking extemporaneously, and (c) that insane level of magnitude, I don't blame you for thinking that he meant that it was the handsful that wanted out (especially since he then said "including names that would shock you," which, grammatically, should mean that the names that would shock you are among those that haven't inquired about the outside, but Dave clearly meant that the names that would shock you are among those who have looked at the outside.) I've included a verbatim transcript of the relevant portion below, that, for context for those without a subscription, was then immediately followed up by Bryan mentioning that he doesn't remember such a widespread desire to leave like this since late WCW. I'm still a bit skeptical of it being that dramatic (I mean, it would require Dave to know the feelings of roughly everyone on the roster, which, though he is obviously well-sourced, I doubt he is that well-sourced, especially given that earlier in the show Meltzer speculated that Chad Gable must be frustrated, but suggested that he didn't have any special information that he is. Maybe Meltzer does know something about Gable but isn't willing to say explicitly that he does - either because what he knows was off the record, or that he just doesn't want to expose that Gable is a source - but he at least suggests that he doesn't know about Gable's actual feelings, so, if he doesn't have Gable, how many other guys does he not have?), but that is what Meltzer said (and the question already mentioned a handful of people, so Meltzer saying that one-to-two handfuls of people wanting to leave wouldn't be the "way more that [we are] not aware of," so he definitely was saying remarkably few aren't looking at the outside). Transcript (beginning at 1:09:37):
ALVAREZ: This person wants to know if there has ever been a time where more WWE talent have been disgruntled and wanted to leave the company than there is now, looking at Dean, Sasha, Revival, Luke Harper, probably more that I'm forgetting or we aren't aware of. MELTZER: Oh, there's way more that you're not aware of. I would go so far as to say that there are very few people, and you can count them on one-to-two hands, that have not at least inquired regarding what's outside. Including names that would shock you. Damn, that's crazy. I believe him but wow. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 30, 2019 15:26:37 GMT -5
I get that people flip out about the Saudi show but lets not act like basically every other company wouldn't do the same thing. I mean, the controversy was over the fact that a tonne of companies pulled out of their deals in the wake of the scandal. The UFC went as far as give the money back and they have their own controversies to think about. The fact WWE kept their deal and tried to act like they were “honoring the fans” was their way of saying they didn’t give a f***. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 15:31:43 GMT -5
I don't expect Orton to ever leave, but can you imagine how entertaining it'd be if he did a podcast interview like Moxley's?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 30, 2019 15:36:51 GMT -5
I actually... kind of legit don't understand these quotes?
" I've never heard words spoken and felt like I did listening to that." What? Is "words spoken" some kind of idiom I've never heard?
"I thought I could make everything work but maybe I can't after listening to that." And... wait, if he was saying how they already feel, why would listening to that make them realize anything?
Sorry if this is totally boneheaded, I'm just confused.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 15:41:41 GMT -5
I don't expect Orton to ever leave, but can you imagine how entertaining it'd be if he did a podcast interview like Moxley's? If they paid Orton under his value he'd skip town. He gives no f**s If we are talking "surprise" guys who want to leave I don't really expect much outside the usual suspects of the names we hard before like Orton and Usos who people think would be in WWE for a lifetime I think there is a tinge of dramatic effect in terms of this mass exodus of locker room inquiring about leaving but it is a fear WWE should take seriously and not something money can solve as seen with Club, Revival all turning down very good contracts |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 15:44:17 GMT -5
I actually... kind of legit don't understand these quotes? " I've never heard words spoken and felt like I did listening to that." What? Is "words spoken" some kind of idiom I've never heard? "I thought I could make everything work but maybe I can't after listening to that." And... wait, if he was saying how they already feel, why would listening to that make them realize anything? Sorry if this is totally boneheaded, I'm just confused. "I've never heard words spoken and felt like I did listening to that." = "As I was listening, I've never heard someone speak exactly like I feel."
"I thought I could make everything work but maybe I can't after listening to that." = "After hearing what he went through, if he couldn't make it work then maybe I can't either. I thought I had a chance but maybe I don't."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 15:45:04 GMT -5
AEW, Japan, Indies all in general aren't just looking to pick up everyone nor do they have the space to make those things happen Right now it is an influx. Some guys are looking at Kofi as that virtue of light to finally break though. However, let's also remember Kofi has always had something to do But looking at Dean, he's the other side of the coin. A guy who could make a big impact and wasn't afraid to say what he really felt Even after having finally got the belt, I wouldn't be surprised if Kofi's looking at an exit strategy. Especially after having to do a promotional interview talking up the KSA show that most of the roster is falling over themselves to NOT have to go to. Xavier's definitely probably got to want to be wanting to jump ship, giving him time to start up the development studio he wants to had. E and Kofi would go with him if he wanted to go. And being as tight with Kenny and the Bucks as they are, they'd pretty much be guaranteed spots. Kofi or Xavier I have a hard time seeing leaving Kofi has been on record in saying he probably wouldn't still be wrestling now if it wasn't for Xavier. New Day outside of what I assume are very good contracts, are also killing it in merch. They are on the few who could call their shots and when they decide to leave it will be under their own accord |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 30, 2019 15:58:06 GMT -5
I get that people flip out about the Saudi show but lets not act like basically every other company wouldn't do the same thing. I mean, the controversy was over the fact that a tonne of companies pulled out of their deals in the wake of the scandal. The UFC went as far as give the money back and they have their own controversies to think about. The fact WWE kept their deal and tried to act like they were “honoring the fans” was their way of saying they didn’t give a f***. Besides, that's always a terrible argument. Other people being shitty doesn't absolve someone's own shittiness. |
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Post by Dub H on May 30, 2019 16:59:21 GMT -5
Even after having finally got the belt, I wouldn't be surprised if Kofi's looking at an exit strategy. Especially after having to do a promotional interview talking up the KSA show that most of the roster is falling over themselves to NOT have to go to. Xavier's definitely probably got to want to be wanting to jump ship, giving him time to start up the development studio he wants to had. E and Kofi would go with him if he wanted to go. And being as tight with Kenny and the Bucks as they are, they'd pretty much be guaranteed spots. Kofi or Xavier I have a hard time seeing leaving Kofi has been on record in saying he probably wouldn't still be wrestling now if it wasn't for Xavier. New Day outside of what I assume are very good contracts, are also killing it in merch. They are on the few who could call their shots and when they decide to leave it will be under their own accord Who ownas Up Up Down Down WWE or Xavier? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 17:36:22 GMT -5
Kofi or Xavier I have a hard time seeing leaving Kofi has been on record in saying he probably wouldn't still be wrestling now if it wasn't for Xavier. New Day outside of what I assume are very good contracts, are also killing it in merch. They are on the few who could call their shots and when they decide to leave it will be under their own accord Who ownas Up Up Down Down WWE or Xavier? I want to say Xavier owns it since WWE has done loose promotion with it in terms of advertising and Xavier has in a way protected himself with everyone having their own name separate from their WWE name Also he’s had people outside WWE on the channel like Omega and Bucks |
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 30, 2019 17:40:38 GMT -5
I don't expect Orton to ever leave, but can you imagine how entertaining it'd be if he did a podcast interview like Moxley's? Orton would never be bothered to do it but his own podcast would be hilarious. That interview he did yeeeears ago when he joked about having little Brazilians oil him up was wild. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 18:19:14 GMT -5
I don't expect Orton to ever leave, but can you imagine how entertaining it'd be if he did a podcast interview like Moxley's? Orton would never be bothered to do it but his own podcast would be hilarious. That interview he did yeeeears ago when he joked about having little Brazilians oil him up was wild. He did a podcast with Edge and Christian last year that was really funny |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 30, 2019 18:29:17 GMT -5
Xavier Woods actually has some creative freedom there..it would surprise me if they took off. I get that people flip out about the Saudi show but lets not act like basically every other company wouldn't do the same thing. I know we're some time removed from the big problems around Crown Jewel but make no mistake about it, the controversy hanging over that show had everything to do with WWE not making the same moves tons of other companies made, carrying on with everything in the face of overwhelming pressure not to, and a deal they couldn't even share the specifics of with their shareholders. The WWE/Saudi Arabia deal is like absolutely nothing else right now, that's what makes it such a frightening sticking point to look at. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 18:58:59 GMT -5
Dave has been pushing the narrative that Chad Gable is being wasted and he'd be better off leaving and coming back in 3 years after making a name outside of the WWE, Dave brings him up because that is a personal narrative Dave has written for the guy in his mind. Gable and Mojo are Meltzer's two biggest go-to guys for how people are being wasted and would be much better off leaving and making a name for themselves elsewhere, but the way he focuses on those two specifically kinda makes me think that they may be sources of his, and he just phrases what he knows about their mindset in such a way as to try to avoid accidentally revealing that they are sources. Obviously I'm just speculating on this, but it would help explain why he always points to those two. It's weird, on Gable I have a hard time really picturing him amounting to anything but with Mojo... I see his point. He's perfectly fine in the ring, and every time he's had a chance to show some fire as a character he does that and then some. Guy has a ton of presence and clearly puts a lot of effort into his work, but they've booked him into oblivion and he hasn't been able to shake off the funk of the hype gimmick. Now the best they can really give him is winning matches on Main Event with stupid blue lines on his face. I think he'd kill it if he had a chance to show his stuff somewhere else and really catch people's attention. |
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