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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 30, 2019 21:54:57 GMT -5
Gable and Mojo are Meltzer's two biggest go-to guys for how people are being wasted and would be much better off leaving and making a name for themselves elsewhere, but the way he focuses on those two specifically kinda makes me think that they may be sources of his, and he just phrases what he knows about their mindset in such a way as to try to avoid accidentally revealing that they are sources. Obviously I'm just speculating on this, but it would help explain why he always points to those two. It's weird, on Gable I have a hard time really picturing him amounting to anything but with Mojo... I see his point. He's perfectly fine in the ring, and every time he's had a chance to show some fire as a character he does that and then some. Guy has a ton of presence and clearly puts a lot of effort into his work, but they've booked him into oblivion and he hasn't been able to shake off the funk of the hype gimmick. Now the best they can really give him is winning matches on Main Event with stupid blue lines on his face. I think he'd kill it if he had a chance to show his stuff somewhere else and really catch people's attention. Gable could easily be the next Kurt Angle. He's got the goofy charisma and the legit wrestling experience to pull it off. Mojo... well yeah he's never going to be the next big thing but he has the explosive charisma that he could at least be a decent midcard act.
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Post by Dub H on May 30, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze.
I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 22:01:26 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now.
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Post by Dub H on May 30, 2019 22:06:13 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now. Its nice the guy is at least being used but kinda sucks it got to this point.Does he even have a shot in the main roster as it is?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 22:21:00 GMT -5
Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now. Its nice the guy is at least being used but kinda sucks it got to this point.Does he even have a shot in the main roster as it is? Nope. Absolutely not.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 30, 2019 22:23:41 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. It's honestly depressing to me that "turfed back down to developmental" is now considered an upgrade for some guys, but.....yeah, that's pretty much Breeze's situation. He SHOULD be a big deal on the main roster, but he's smaller than Vince likes, so.....
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 30, 2019 22:37:40 GMT -5
I'm going to give huge props to Triple H for pulling Breeze back down, though, because it sounds like he's trying to rescue someone he sees as a big deal rather than just 'eh f*** it you suck go back down and get better'. Triple H flew in Jushin f***ing Thunder Liger for a Tyler Breeze match, but all these years later he hasn't given up on Breeze the way Vince does about three weeks into someone being on the roster.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 22:41:16 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. It's honestly depressing to me that "turfed back down to developmental" is now considered an upgrade for some guys, but.....yeah, that's pretty much Breeze's situation. He SHOULD be a big deal on the main roster, but he's smaller than Vince likes, so..... That's how it was when NXT first started and i'm glad they are going back to it If it isn't working on the main roster, go back to NXT where you can retool or be used better in the cases of Breeze and Dain
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 30, 2019 22:43:08 GMT -5
It's honestly depressing to me that "turfed back down to developmental" is now considered an upgrade for some guys, but.....yeah, that's pretty much Breeze's situation. He SHOULD be a big deal on the main roster, but he's smaller than Vince likes, so..... That's how it was when NXT first started and i'm glad they are going back to it If it isn't working on the main roster, go back to NXT where you can retool or be used better in the cases of Breeze and Dain Yeah I used to think Tyson Kidd was one of the most bland guys on the roster then he ended up in NXT and was massively entertaining with the character tweak. Zack Ryder got a boost with the Hype Bros. Etc.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2019 22:47:11 GMT -5
That's how it was when NXT first started and i'm glad they are going back to it If it isn't working on the main roster, go back to NXT where you can retool or be used better in the cases of Breeze and Dain Yeah I used to think Tyson Kidd was one of the most bland guys on the roster then he ended up in NXT and was massively entertaining with the character tweak. Zack Ryder got a boost with the Hype Bros. Etc. Cesaro with his insane matches with Sami Zayn when he was doing the gimmick with Zeb and Swagger that helped contribute to the fans wanting his push on the main roster
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 31, 2019 0:28:00 GMT -5
Yeah I used to think Tyson Kidd was one of the most bland guys on the roster then he ended up in NXT and was massively entertaining with the character tweak. Zack Ryder got a boost with the Hype Bros. Etc. Cesaro with his insane matches with Sami Zayn when he was doing the gimmick with Zeb and Swagger that helped contribute to the fans wanting his push on the main roster It’s like as though there’s a benefit on capitalizing on someone’s NXT success to the main roster so that you can make money off of them, like as though that was the whole point of NXT in the first place. But I’m obviously talking crazy here.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 31, 2019 1:26:23 GMT -5
It's weird, on Gable I have a hard time really picturing him amounting to anything but with Mojo... I see his point. He's perfectly fine in the ring, and every time he's had a chance to show some fire as a character he does that and then some. Guy has a ton of presence and clearly puts a lot of effort into his work, but they've booked him into oblivion and he hasn't been able to shake off the funk of the hype gimmick. Now the best they can really give him is winning matches on Main Event with stupid blue lines on his face. I think he'd kill it if he had a chance to show his stuff somewhere else and really catch people's attention. Gable could easily be the next Kurt Angle. He's got the goofy charisma and the legit wrestling experience to pull it off. Mojo... well yeah he's never going to be the next big thing but he has the explosive charisma that he could at least be a decent midcard act. Yeah, Mojo's not the best in the ring, and probably won't be a big star, but he deserves better than what he's getting from Vince. He can be a decent midcard guy, or tag guy. Like him or not, the guy never seems to half ass it, dude always looks like he's giving 100% in everything.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 31, 2019 3:14:14 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now. Funny, because Breeze was one of those guys who, once upon a time, answered a fan who tweeted he was being wasted with, "Yeah, I just checked my bank account. I'm good."
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Post by Dub H on May 31, 2019 8:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by Casey Jones on May 31, 2019 8:13:33 GMT -5
I don't really understand how the whole shareholders thing works. But can't they as a group request the retirement of Vince?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 31, 2019 8:15:35 GMT -5
I don't really understand how the whoe shareholders thing works. But can't they as a group request the retirement of Vince? I'm not sure how it works, exactly, but as I'm led to understand, even if they COULD, Vince and his immediate family still control the majority of the "voting shares" that make any actual decisions about the company, so it wouldn't come to much.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 31, 2019 8:16:18 GMT -5
Second quote is exactly why I think they’ve stopped f***ing around with The Revival after the back-shaving and icy hot gimmicks and just went back to average wrestling booking... Because it was turning them into martyrs.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 31, 2019 8:18:51 GMT -5
I guess I can see lower card guys viewing him as “ungreatful”, even though I’m sure he would take less success and more creative control
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Post by Casey Jones on May 31, 2019 8:31:44 GMT -5
I don't really understand how the whoe shareholders thing works. But can't they as a group request the retirement of Vince? I'm not sure how it works, exactly, but as I'm led to understand, even if they COULD, Vince and his immediate family still control the majority of the "voting shares" that make any actual decisions about the company, so it wouldn't come to much. Ah I see. I hate to say it. But I think we may need Linda back. Perhaps she was the only one who could pull at Vince's reins.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 31, 2019 8:56:20 GMT -5
Second quote is exactly why I think they’ve stopped f***ing around with The Revival after the back-shaving and icy hot gimmicks and just went back to average wrestling booking... Because it was turning them into martyrs. The fact that the company knows it can (and does) make martyrs out of the talent should be a massive red flag to them, and yet...
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