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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 31, 2019 9:36:32 GMT -5
That's probably an exaggeration, just based on the size of WWE's roster, but I'm sure the actual number of guys eyeing the exit sign would shock people.
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Post by KofiMania on May 31, 2019 9:42:55 GMT -5
Idk how solid Dave is here cause he's being really candid but basically there are only a handful of people who haven't at least inquired about what is out there and their potential options, to straight up wanting out in a bad way. I mean it makes sense that now that there’s another WCW-company in play that almost everyone would be putting out feelers. I’m sure it was the same thing back in the mid-to late 90s as well. And then once AEW is running weekly TV and established, there will be guys they have that feel underutilized and will be putting feelers out to WWE. It’s just the nature of having two high-profile companies.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 31, 2019 10:04:18 GMT -5
Meltzer said on WOR that at least 2 hands worth of people have inquired about leaving and some would shock you. EDIT: Apparently Meltzer said it's actually 2 hands worth of people that HAVEN'T inquired about leaving. Damn. Taking GET THESE HANDS to a new level...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 31, 2019 10:23:53 GMT -5
I don't really understand how the whole shareholders thing works. But can't they as a group request the retirement of Vince? They could but only if it became clear Vince is not fit to perform his duties as chairman but they can’t do shit now as Vince still is in good health and holds majority Also, while ratings may be down he’s turned in two record deals worth billions and their stock is not crashing. They’re not f***ing that up
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 31, 2019 11:03:51 GMT -5
I guess I can see lower card guys viewing him as “ungreatful”, even though I’m sure he would take less success and more creative control The thing is though that Mox flat out said he is super grateful for everything the WWE did for him. He grew up there, made great friends, was able to improve both his and his mom's life, and met his wife there. He just said he was tired of doing goofy stuff and being micromanaged.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 31, 2019 11:23:20 GMT -5
I guess I can see lower card guys viewing him as “ungreatful”, even though I’m sure he would take less success and more creative control The thing is though that Mox flat out said he is super grateful for everything the WWE did for him. He grew up there, made great friends, was able to improve both his and his mom's life, and met his wife there. He just said he was tired of doing goofy stuff and being micromanaged. There’s always going to be those who’d think they’d have done better with the opportunities given to others and they’d be in a much better position overall. Might be out of jealousy, not really understanding what went wrong or overconfidence. Just from my own experiences, I’ve been on both sides of that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 31, 2019 11:54:10 GMT -5
That's probably an exaggeration, just based on the size of WWE's roster, but I'm sure the actual number of guys eyeing the exit sign would shock people. If you had to poll it, probably 10% would leave if they could and another 10% would try to test their worth either by making WWE pay more or seeing what they could make on the indies, AEW, Impact etc
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 31, 2019 12:13:22 GMT -5
That's probably an exaggeration, just based on the size of WWE's roster, but I'm sure the actual number of guys eyeing the exit sign would shock people. Honestly? I almost can see it NOT being an exaggeration. We're right up against the edge of the Saudi show, and I'd guess that most of the roster (probably every talent younger than 40) is depressed and outraged at having to go.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 31, 2019 15:37:05 GMT -5
Seen people discussing on Xavier Woods and New Day, but like, completely honest here, if any of those guys leave the company, I think E will be the one most likely to. Dude gives absolutely no f***s whatsoever and basically says shit because he knows he has a huge spot in the company. In reality I don't really see any of those guys jumping unless something really nuts happens.
How I see it is we've really just reached the breaking point. Too many people upset, too much talent to do anything with, too many injuries mounting. It's gonna have to come to a point people are let go, just for the sake of roster bloat, yet WWE continues to want all the cake, so much so they've basically tied Harper to a chair, it's maddening. They can barely focus on the guys Vince ACTUALLY cares about, so the fact that they're just getting squeezed and being told to sit there until the contracts officially run dry, is just insanity.
I can see quite a few more insane Jericho Podcasts within the next year, bet on that folks...
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jun 1, 2019 2:18:21 GMT -5
The scary part is also what's going to happen even to those that do get some artistic freedom. Biggest example of that is probably Bray Wyatt; dude clearly has a mind for his character, and often seems like he's got an interesting hook in mind, but then gets booked to pretty much do nothing, and it's routinely exposed just how badly creative (or maybe just Vince) really, really doesn't get the Wyatt character. The current Funhouse gimmick is working well for him and apparently is almost entirely his own brainchild, but it's tough to imagine WWE following it up really well. Yyyyyup. Waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one, and everyone to hate on Wyatt again while I am once again sad about it all. Wyatt with the creative freedom dudes had in the 90's would just be amazing. I mean so would everyone else to a degree, but Bray just has always had his pulse on what he wanted the character to be. They just constantly cut his legs out from under him, and squash any momentum he ever does build. Waiting for it to happen again. I wish Lucha Underground was a viable option, if only for one season, just to see what he could really do with some creative freedom on a show that was built around being bat shit crazy.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 1, 2019 2:49:57 GMT -5
Seen people discussing on Xavier Woods and New Day, but like, completely honest here, if any of those guys leave the company, I think E will be the one most likely to. Dude gives absolutely no f***s whatsoever and basically says shit because he knows he has a huge spot in the company. In reality I don't really see any of those guys jumping unless something really nuts happens. And Cena's got his back. Freaking every day Cena's putting over E on Instagram, putting him in a random photo.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 1, 2019 6:20:43 GMT -5
Welp, this whole thing was never going to end well when you have a force of personality like Vince.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jun 1, 2019 9:07:43 GMT -5
I'm going to give huge props to Triple H for pulling Breeze back down, though, because it sounds like he's trying to rescue someone he sees as a big deal rather than just 'eh f*** it you suck go back down and get better'. Triple H flew in Jushin f***ing Thunder Liger for a Tyler Breeze match, but all these years later he hasn't given up on Breeze the way Vince does about three weeks into someone being on the roster. It seems like everyone who has worked with, or spent time training with Breeze recognises how good he is. And as a guy who spent years in developmental, and has helped train and mentor wrestlers who have gone on to be big stars in the company, he should have so much value. A couple of weeks ago Charlotte tweeted that Breeze was one of the best workers in the company, and I don't doubt that at all. The guy is so crisp and clean in the ring, and was trusted in NXT to help get every star they wanted to build over. I think that some people in the company will resent it when they see someone they respect being so utterly wasted on the main roster. I don't know if there are reports that Breeze wanted to leave, but I can fully believe that Triple H got him back to NXT because he really, really didn't want to see him either be released, or be punished for asking to be released. The guy is thirty one years old, and he could be anything that a wrestling company wants him to be. Seen people discussing on Xavier Woods and New Day, but like, completely honest here, if any of those guys leave the company, I think E will be the one most likely to. Dude gives absolutely no f***s whatsoever and basically says shit because he knows he has a huge spot in the company. In reality I don't really see any of those guys jumping unless something really nuts happens. Big E definitely seems like the member of New Day least invested in the WWE as a company. Not that I think he's unhappy, just that I believe he's the sort of guy who would be able to quickly adapt to a change in circumstances. But if it's true that the New Day have said breaking them up would mean they all walk, then I think they're amongst the most secure guys in the entire company. Can you imagine, though, if they did all leave together and then turn up in AEW or Japan? Talk about a paradigm shift! Regarding ownership of UUDD, there is this press release that seems to suggest the WWE owns it, but who ever really knows, with this company: www.wwe.com/inside/wwe-launches-up-up-down-down-youtube-gaming-channel
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Post by Sparkybob on Jun 1, 2019 10:06:34 GMT -5
I saw places that said it will be a bad sign if lifers like Orton wanted to go to AEW but I chalked that up more to the dude being with the WWE forever and just wanting a new challenge. I mean he's been on WWE tv since 2002 and even if the WWE was an amazing company I will completely understand Orton wanting the freedom to wrestle elsewhere towards the end of his run.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jun 1, 2019 11:34:40 GMT -5
I saw places that said it will be a bad sign if lifers like Orton wanted to go to AEW but I chalked that up more to the dude being with the WWE forever and just wanting a new challenge. I mean he's been on WWE tv since 2002 and even if the WWE was an amazing company I will completely understand Orton wanting the freedom to wrestle elsewhere towards the end of his run. On the one hand, sure. On the other hand, this is a guy that was groomed to get the keys to the kingdom since day 1 of him being in OVW. Before Batista's surprise blow up, before Cena surprised them and made them give him a second look, Orton was The Guy that Vince & co looked at and went "Yeah. Him." Orton has been in the WWE system his entire career and he's been heavily protected throughout that entire time, whether he's in the main event or not. He's gotten those main event pushes and those main event paychecks despite never really fulfilling his potential as a main event guy. He's been entrusted to be a locker room leader and to get to wrestle some of the top talent of the past generation, even going over several of them. Dude's now one of the senior most members of the roster and a veteran through and through. And we're all kidding ourselves if we think for a second Orton doesn't have a cushy job in the office waiting for him when he does eventually retire. If that guy walked out on the WWE for AEW? It would look dreadful and anyone with any lick of sense still employed there would be & rightfully should be questioning why they're still there if somebody like Orton isn't.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 1, 2019 12:03:00 GMT -5
Yyyyyup. Waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one, and everyone to hate on Wyatt again while I am once again sad about it all. Wyatt with the creative freedom dudes had in the 90's would just be amazing. I mean so would everyone else to a degree... Well, no, this isn't true. Wyatt's fine and a good person to do that. But some people shouldn't have a lot of creative freedom, but they can still contribute as performers. Company should have flexibility more than anything.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 1, 2019 13:43:52 GMT -5
For me the go-to guy being wasted is Tyler Breeze. I dont standard,the guy has it all. He looks good, he can talk, play a gimmick. he wrestles very well. Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now. Hopefully he didn't have to take a base pay cut. That'd be bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 13:45:33 GMT -5
Trips said he's officially back on NXT full-time again so he's honestly in a better position than most on the main card. He's where he needs to be for now. Hopefully he didn't have to take a base pay cut. That'd be bullshit. Yeah hopefully he did. Seems like Trips saved one of his guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 12:49:35 GMT -5
Here's Fightful's official article about it with some more details.
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