Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Jun 7, 2019 19:40:13 GMT -5
news.avclub.com/john-cena-now-officially-fast-furious-so-hey-watch-1835337139Cena's character: "Nah listen, I got something to say." *turns to the camera* "I'd like to say a little word to Luke Hobbs, or should I say DWAYNE. I hear you got a problem with some cast members in this film franchise. Now you run off to your own little spinoff. That's weak dude, I thought you were a team player. Guess you always gotta run when John Cena's on his way." *movie continues completely ignoring his fourth wall break*
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Post by Fade on Jun 7, 2019 19:46:43 GMT -5
Dope. I really think Cena and the franchise are a match made in Heaven. Will only help both ala like when The Rock entered it.
...I’ve been afraid to ask but is Scott Eastwood back?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 20:02:16 GMT -5
Unless Cena ends up being a villan....LOL
He and Vin are basically just clones ..except one has bad hair and the other has no hair
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jun 7, 2019 20:04:00 GMT -5
I guess Roman Reigns introduced Cena to someone he knows in Hollywood
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 7, 2019 20:08:55 GMT -5
Huh, so Rock is only gonna be in the spin-off movies and not the full series now? No offense to Cena, but that's quite the downgrade if that's the case.
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Post by eJm on Jun 7, 2019 20:13:06 GMT -5
One day, we’re going to find out what this Dwayne/Vin beef is all about because imagine having someone under a contract for a big movie franchise and things getting so bad, the only way for both sides to be happy is to create a spin off series just so you can still keep both under contract.
Like...what?
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 7, 2019 20:14:12 GMT -5
I didn't even realize there was any beef. What's going on?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 7, 2019 20:15:16 GMT -5
I can totally see it being an ego thing on Vin's part; which I can kinda get as that franchise was his, but Rock is just the huge action star Vin never quite became. Vin is Steven Seagal to Rock's Arnold.
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Post by eJm on Jun 7, 2019 20:22:56 GMT -5
I can totally see it being an ego thing on Vin's part; which I can kinda get as that franchise was his, but Rock is just the huge action star Vin never quite became. Vin is Steven Seagal to Rock's Arnold. That seems like a plausible reason. Him carrying a franchise for so long only to it hitting ridiculous highs with a massive name after the work you put in...yeah, I can see why it’d bother him. To get to this point, it seems really silly but hey, I’m not either man and don’t really know the wider context.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 7, 2019 20:30:56 GMT -5
Huh, so Rock is only gonna be in the spin-off movies and not the full series now? No offense to Cena, but that's quite the downgrade if that's the case. The Rock was really not any great shakes before his appearance in the franchise. I think you can make a strong case the movies made his acting career. If you look at their relative filmographies before their appearances in F&F, I think Cena’s is considerably better.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 7, 2019 20:34:12 GMT -5
Huh, so Rock is only gonna be in the spin-off movies and not the full series now? No offense to Cena, but that's quite the downgrade if that's the case. The Rock was really not any great shakes before his appearance in the franchise. I think you can make a strong case the movies made his acting career. If you look at their relative filmographies before their appearances in F&F, I think Cena’s is considerably better. I wouldn't at all; not with Cena as a star at least.
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Post by eJm on Jun 7, 2019 20:39:18 GMT -5
The Rock was really not any great shakes before his appearance in the franchise. I think you can make a strong case the movies made his acting career. If you look at their relative filmographies before their appearances in F&F, I think Cena’s is considerably better. I wouldn't at all; not with Cena as a star at least. Yeah, Cena’s not really shown himself as any kind of star attraction yet. Ferdinand was hurled in front of The Last Jedi to die and Bumblebee just etched through off word of mouth after the rest of Transformers almost bottomed it all out. His only real success was Blockers and that wasn’t his vehicle.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 7, 2019 20:45:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't at all; not with Cena as a star at least. Yeah, Cena’s not really shown himself as any kind of star attraction yet. Ferdinand was hurled in front of The Last Jedi to die and Bumblebee just etched through off word of mouth after the rest of Transformers almost bottomed it all out. His only real success was Blockers and that wasn’t his vehicle. What had The Rock really done before F&F? The Scorpion King was carried by residual goodwill from The Mummy franchise. The Rundown and Walking Tall were modest successes at best, and in each he was paired with a popular costar. Be Cool, The Tooth Fairy, Gridiron Gang, Escape From Witch Mountain, and Mars Needs Moms were bombs. Most people do not get to have that many chances before being solidly regulated to b-movie hell. He needed F&F much more than they needed him. Cena’s comparative track record is at least as good.
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Post by eJm on Jun 7, 2019 20:50:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Cena’s not really shown himself as any kind of star attraction yet. Ferdinand was hurled in front of The Last Jedi to die and Bumblebee just etched through off word of mouth after the rest of Transformers almost bottomed it all out. His only real success was Blockers and that wasn’t his vehicle. What had The Rock really done before F&F? The Scorpion King was carried by residual goodwill from The Mummy franchise. The Rundown and Walking Tall were modest successes at best, and in each he was paired with a popular costar. Be Cool, The Tooth Fairy, and Mars Needs Moms were bombs. He needed F&F much more than they needed him. Cena’s comparative track record is at least as good. Well, it’s less it’s as good but more that most of Cena’s film roles were basically just him being John Cena and not as an actor like Dwayne was, I guess. With Dwayne’s roles, there was at least some variety there that helped him in future roles. Cena has many great bit parts but not really a great lead yet. This might be it but who knows? (12 Rounds is criminally underrated by the way. Not disregarding the dude at all)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 7, 2019 21:18:54 GMT -5
Yeah, Cena’s not really shown himself as any kind of star attraction yet. Ferdinand was hurled in front of The Last Jedi to die and Bumblebee just etched through off word of mouth after the rest of Transformers almost bottomed it all out. His only real success was Blockers and that wasn’t his vehicle. What had The Rock really done before F&F? The Scorpion King was carried by residual goodwill from The Mummy franchise. The Rundown and Walking Tall were modest successes at best, and in each he was paired with a popular costar. Be Cool, The Tooth Fairy, Gridiron Gang, Escape From Witch Mountain, and Mars Needs Moms were bombs. Most people do not get to have that many chances before being solidly regulated to b-movie hell. He needed F&F much more than they needed him. Cena’s comparative track record is at least as good. Tooth Fairy ($112 million) and Race to Witch Mountain ($106 million) were successful movies, not bombs. He wasn't even in Mars Needs Moms. He wasn't a lead in Be Cool, being something like tenth billed, and if we're counting that then you have to count Get Smart, where he was third billed and was a smash hit ($230 million). Throw in The Game Plan ($146 million) and Planet 51 ($105 million) and it's obvious that by the time he joined the F&F crew Rock was established as a dependable leading man, even if he wasn't an A-List box office draw. Cena is still primarily "that wrestling guy" at this stage of his career.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 7, 2019 21:20:12 GMT -5
is he going to be a car?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 7, 2019 21:23:27 GMT -5
What had The Rock really done before F&F? The Scorpion King was carried by residual goodwill from The Mummy franchise. The Rundown and Walking Tall were modest successes at best, and in each he was paired with a popular costar. Be Cool, The Tooth Fairy, Gridiron Gang, Escape From Witch Mountain, and Mars Needs Moms were bombs. Most people do not get to have that many chances before being solidly regulated to b-movie hell. He needed F&F much more than they needed him. Cena’s comparative track record is at least as good. Tooth Fairy ($112 million) and Race to Witch Mountain ($106 million) were successful movies, not bombs. He wasn't even in Mars Needs Moms. He wasn't a lead in Be Cool, being something like tenth billed, and if we're counting that then you have to count Get Smart, where he was third billed and was a smash hit ($230 million). Throw in The Game Plan ($146 million) and Planet 51 ($105 million) and it's obvious that by the time he joined the F&F crew Rock was established as a dependable leading man, even if he wasn't an A-List box office draw. Cena is still primarily "that wrestling guy" at this stage of his career. Planet 51 was probably what I was thinking of, so that’s my bad. Forgot about Get Smart, but I think that was obvious franchise bait with what people saw as a leading man in Steve Carrell, and that a sequel was never discussed says a lot. In any case, I’ll take the L and say The Rock was a bigger star than Cena when F&F came calling, but I think saying The Rock was a “dependable leading man” because he has some modest success is a bit much. Like saying Robert Pattinson can carry a film without “Twilight” in the name right now.
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Post by eJm on Jun 7, 2019 21:28:15 GMT -5
Tooth Fairy ($112 million) and Race to Witch Mountain ($106 million) were successful movies, not bombs. He wasn't even in Mars Needs Moms. He wasn't a lead in Be Cool, being something like tenth billed, and if we're counting that then you have to count Get Smart, where he was third billed and was a smash hit ($230 million). Throw in The Game Plan ($146 million) and Planet 51 ($105 million) and it's obvious that by the time he joined the F&F crew Rock was established as a dependable leading man, even if he wasn't an A-List box office draw. Cena is still primarily "that wrestling guy" at this stage of his career. Planet 51 was probably what I was thinking of, so that’s my bad. Forgot about Get Smart, but I think that was obvious franchise bait with what people saw as a leading man in Steve Carrell, and that a sequel was never discussed says a lot. In any case, I’ll take the L and say The Rock was a bigger star than Cena when F&F came calling, but I think saying The Rock was a “dependable leading man” because he has some modest success is a bit much. Like saying Robert Pattinson can carry a film without “Twilight” in the name right now. I mean, most of Pattinson’s movies have been independent films where he’s been highly regarded (and most people ignore because EW SHINY VAMPIRES or whatever) so that’s an unfair comparison.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 7, 2019 21:32:07 GMT -5
Planet 51 was probably what I was thinking of, so that’s my bad. Forgot about Get Smart, but I think that was obvious franchise bait with what people saw as a leading man in Steve Carrell, and that a sequel was never discussed says a lot. In any case, I’ll take the L and say The Rock was a bigger star than Cena when F&F came calling, but I think saying The Rock was a “dependable leading man” because he has some modest success is a bit much. Like saying Robert Pattinson can carry a film without “Twilight” in the name right now. I mean, most of Pattinson’s movies have been independent films where he’s been highly regarded (and most people ignore because EW SHINY VAMPIRES or whatever) so that’s an unfair comparison. I struggled with a more appropriate one. First guy who came to mind with considerable name recognition but no big non-franchise success right now.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 7, 2019 21:32:38 GMT -5
Tooth Fairy ($112 million) and Race to Witch Mountain ($106 million) were successful movies, not bombs. He wasn't even in Mars Needs Moms. He wasn't a lead in Be Cool, being something like tenth billed, and if we're counting that then you have to count Get Smart, where he was third billed and was a smash hit ($230 million). Throw in The Game Plan ($146 million) and Planet 51 ($105 million) and it's obvious that by the time he joined the F&F crew Rock was established as a dependable leading man, even if he wasn't an A-List box office draw. Cena is still primarily "that wrestling guy" at this stage of his career. Planet 51 was probably what I was thinking of, so that’s my bad. Forgot about Get Smart, but I think that was obvious franchise bait with what people saw as a leading man in Steve Carrell, and that a sequel was never discussed says a lot. In any case, I’ll take the L and say The Rock was a bigger star than Cena when F&F came calling, but I think saying The Rock was a “dependable leading man” because he has some modest success is a bit much. Like saying Robert Pattinson can carry a film without “Twilight” in the name right now. He had four $100 million-plus successes as a lead in an age where box office draws are few and far between and franchises are king. That's pretty dependable, and trumps a lot of bigger and more respected stars of the time.
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