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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 10, 2019 21:21:38 GMT -5
Barry Windham when he was in the WWF back in ‘89. They called him the Widowmaker. I never cared for the name. He wasn’t going to kill anyone and make their wives widows so it was silly to me. It reminded me of when wrestlers would threaten to kill someone. No they won’t so they shouldn’t say it. I don’t know if the character would’ve went anywhere because he ended up asking for his release after his father and his brother got into trouble. When he went back to WCW he felt like a natural fit. I always enjoyed him in the four horsemen. He worked great in both of the factions he was a part of.
Shane Douglas in the WWF back in ‘91 and ‘92 didn’t feel right. You had all these big muscle dudes ruling the ring and Douglas was never treated like much more than a glorified enhancement guy. Understandable because he just didn’t look right there. I thought he’d be better off in WCW which is where he ending up the following year. He also won a couple tag titles during that run with Ricky Steamboat and Dustin Rhodes. He really broke out in ECW, especially in terms of developing his promo skills.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jul 10, 2019 21:34:28 GMT -5
Jimmy Snuka in ECW
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 10, 2019 21:40:01 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett had a near two year period (October 1996-July 1998) where he didn't seem to fit in WCW or the WWF. He was entirely lost in the nWo dominated era, and being a southern mid-card heel aligned with the babyface Horsemen, while constantly arguing with them just meant he had even less purpose.
Following that in the WWF he went from one gimmick to the next, with none of them really working organically with where the company was. Angry shoot interview Jarrett was tedious, NWA/Aztec Jarrett was boring, and the return to being Double J felt even more out of step with the Attitude era. The haircut, new theme song, and arrival of Debra in August/September 1998 finally modernized him and while not always being the most entertaining guy afterwards, he never stuck out like a sore thumb again like he did in that awkward time beforehand.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Jul 11, 2019 9:48:58 GMT -5
Wes Brisco and Bischoff jr in Aces and Eights
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 11:03:55 GMT -5
The Road Warriors. Changing name to Legion of Doom and really just didnt seem a good fit in the WWf. didnt help that the tag division was falling I think the tag division's woes hurt the Steiners way more than the LOD. Things were in good shape when Hawk & Animal got there, and 1991 was pretty great; by 1993 it was a much different story. Very odd booking definitely hurt the Legion of Doom in the long run. Why'd they drop the belts at a house show? Why'd they vanish in early '92? Why Rocco?
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jul 11, 2019 12:56:41 GMT -5
Wes Brisco and Bischoff jr in Aces and Eights Or in a wrestling ring at all?
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Post by illiniman88 on Jul 11, 2019 19:26:10 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett had a near two year period (October 1996-July 1998) where he didn't seem to fit in WCW or the WWF. He was entirely lost in the nWo dominated era, and being a southern mid-card heel aligned with the babyface Horsemen, while constantly arguing with them just meant he had even less purpose. Following that he went from one gimmick to the next, with none of them really working organically with where the company was. Angry shoot interview Jarrett was tedious, NWA/Aztec Jarrett was boring, and the return to being Double J felt even more out of step with the Attitude era. The haircut, new theme song, and arrival of Debra in August/September 1998 finally modernized him and while not always being the most entertaining guy afterwards, he never stuck out like a sore thumb again like he did in that awkward time beforehand. agree about how far out of place he was in the NWO era
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Post by illiniman88 on Jul 11, 2019 19:28:51 GMT -5
Ted Dibase in WCW once Bischoff went to the NWO. Dibase basically became Virgil, once that happened
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Post by Venti on Jul 11, 2019 20:29:02 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but anyone remember Val Venis in TNA? Bonus points if you remember them having him go over Christopher Daniels 😏
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Post by Gummydavidson on Jul 11, 2019 20:39:36 GMT -5
It's not a slight on any of them, but most of the ECW wrestlers who turned up in the WWF after 2000/2001 didn't fit in the slightest. Tommy Dreamer, Justin Credible, even Tazz and Raven, I just didn't buy as WWF wrestlers. They had their limitations exposed and their styles didn't mesh with what was going on there at the time. Some suffered from bad booking but others just weren't that good in that new environment. I remember Tommy Dreamer having like less than 5 matches in 2001 then disappearing until mid 2002 when he was given the Jackass prank gimmick.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 11, 2019 21:00:54 GMT -5
Whoever mentioned Race in WWF, thanks for helping me find my answer.
Superstar Billy Graham in early 80's NWA, the kung-fu phase especially.
Chyna in New Japan.
Hell, Kanemaru in New Japan is jarring to me. 20 years in AJPW & NOAH before going to New Japan!
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Post by nickcave on Jul 11, 2019 23:05:10 GMT -5
Taka Michinoku in WWF
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Post by Perfect Timing on Jul 12, 2019 16:13:25 GMT -5
Love the guy but Shelton Benjamin in WWE 2017-present. He is never on but when he was seemed like a shadow of his former self.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 12, 2019 16:17:17 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but anyone remember Val Venis in TNA? Bonus points if you remember them having him go over Christopher Daniels 😏 It was and so was the Nasty Boys at the same time. Both where terrible.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 13, 2019 2:56:10 GMT -5
Wes Brisco and Bischoff jr in Aces and Eights Or in a wrestling ring at all? Wes sucked, but Bischoff had potential, so naturally they Erik Watts'd him.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jul 13, 2019 12:36:19 GMT -5
It's not a slight on any of them, but most of the ECW wrestlers who turned up in the WWF after 2000/2001 didn't fit in the slightest. Tommy Dreamer, Justin Credible, even Tazz and Raven, I just didn't buy as WWF wrestlers. They had their limitations exposed and their styles didn't mesh with what was going on there at the time. Some suffered from bad booking but others just weren't that good in that new environment. I remember Tommy Dreamer having like less than 5 matches in 2001 then disappearing until mid 2002 when he was given the Jackass prank gimmick. Yeah, he was utterly forgettable as a WWE wrestler. Justin Credible too, although he was gone by the end of 2002 I think.
Really, Dreamer's success in ECW is a testament to Heyman's genius as a booker because he was a very limited wrestler, not remarkably charismatic, and just *looked* bad with the t-shirts and jeans. He got over in ECW because Heyman knew how to hide his flaws and because he was in an environment where you could get over by taking wild bumps and knew how to pop that crowd, but even in WWE's hardcore division all of his flaws and limitations became glaringly obvious.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 13, 2019 23:05:00 GMT -5
Nah, he was over like crazy. He may well have been over bit that was purely through Dusty himself and his aura. He just stuck out like a sore thumb and was treated as a bit of a novelty. He was also 43 years old when he started that particular WWF run and had been wrestling since 1967. His best years, athletically, were long behind him at that point.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 13, 2019 23:13:21 GMT -5
I think some people are too hard on Dusty in the WWF and I think he had a good run, but it is very strange to see him doing the polka dot gimmick if you were familiar with his Crockett stuff. He was booked like a badass in JCP. Basically John Wayne with a smile. Then he was cartoon in WWF. Imagine Stone Cold Steve Austin being given polka dots and a dancing gimmick. That is almost how stark it was. I think Dusty Rhodes would’ve been a better fit for the WWF in the late 70s/early 80s(and I believe he had a brief stint during that time. Didn’t he challenge “Superstar” Billy Graham for the championship?) Dusty had at least two runs working for Vince Sr. that I know of: late 70’s where he main evented MSG with Superstar Billy Graham. (3 times, no less) and again in 1982 or 83.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jul 13, 2019 23:51:46 GMT -5
I would say Ultimate Warrior, Jake Roberts and Roddy Piper in WWF 1996. I remember this was a height of the New Generation era and they were pushing Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel. It seemed weird that all of these guys only were around a few months.Piper had his Goldust feud due to Razor leaving for WCW, Jake Roberts had the Lawler making fun of Jake's Alcoholism feud and Warrior's second run was notable for being Triple H's first WrestleMania opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 12:11:14 GMT -5
Road Warrior Animal’s random 2006 singles run, right after his also very surreal team with Heidenreich is as out of place as I can ever remember a wrestler being. They took his facepaint, which really is the extent of his aura, and put him in some weird biker garb and just called him “The Road Warrior.” It took a timeless gimmick like LOD Road Warrior Animal and turned him into a nearly 50 year old dude looking old and sluggish in the ring.
Shoutout to heel black facepaint Tatanka around the same time, too. That’s was more or less the same thing in reverse.
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