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Post by sfvega on Aug 6, 2019 11:07:12 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Wall's style of play. I do not believe him to be the sort that wills a team to win. He seems like the sort just wants to make sure he gets his numbers and the paycheck clears. That said, he's an amazing talent. I wouldn't build a team around him unless I didn't care about winning. I don't know how many guys in the NBA could live up to the trope of "wills a team to win." LeBron couldn't until he had more talent and did. Same for KD. And they were the two top players in the game at the time. Harden still can't. Wall was one of the 5 or 10 best players in the league that year that he and IT went back and forth in the playoffs. He's not a ball-hog or a chucker, he's one of the best passers in the game. Wall's big takeaway before the ruptured Achilles was consistent knee problems. His decline will be swift, considering he was prone to lower body issues before his double surgery. But in his prime, he was a great player. Fox is the next Wall, and I don't really expect a conference championship out of him either.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 6, 2019 12:44:22 GMT -5
Wall's career got heavily sidelined by injuries and it's a real shame. This is a guy who was a surefire hall-of-famer until his body gave out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2019 13:51:08 GMT -5
Wall was actually one of the better pure Point Guards in the league, his knock was always relying on his legs and speed too much and not developing a consistent shot that would help him in the future. He's going to miss this whole year mostly meaning he has missed 2 years of his prime and will probably turn into another Derrick Rose
Washington is on the hook for that money so you got to know they pissed but can't nothing be done
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 6, 2019 18:47:55 GMT -5
Wall's career got heavily sidelined by injuries and it's a real shame. This is a guy who was a surefire hall-of-famer until his body gave out. Considering Ralph Samson and Mo Cheeks are in the HOF,it's not out of the realm of possibility Wall isn't inducted in a down year on his 10th-15th year of HOF eligability.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2019 18:53:07 GMT -5
Vince Carter will play his last season with the Hawks
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Post by sfvega on Aug 6, 2019 23:36:05 GMT -5
Wall's career got heavily sidelined by injuries and it's a real shame. This is a guy who was a surefire hall-of-famer until his body gave out. Considering Ralph Samson and Mo Cheeks are in the HOF,it's not out of the realm of possibility Wall isn't inducted in a down year on his 10th-15th year of HOF eligability. Yeah, college counts for basketball HOF, which is why Melo is a shoe-in.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 6, 2019 23:48:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Melo would get into the HOF on his college and international play alone.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2019 0:24:33 GMT -5
Considering Ralph Samson and Mo Cheeks are in the HOF,it's not out of the realm of possibility Wall isn't inducted in a down year on his 10th-15th year of HOF eligability. Yeah, college counts for basketball HOF, which is why Melo is a shoe-in. Just the whole thing with Melo honestly International with 3 gold medals, winning the title at Syracuse which will be his greatest accomplishment and his numbers overall as one of the prolific scorers of his era Sometimes people forget it is the basketball Hall of Fame and not purely the NBA tho even considering that, John Wall still has to have productive years to get in
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Post by sfvega on Aug 7, 2019 0:43:38 GMT -5
Yeah, college counts for basketball HOF, which is why Melo is a shoe-in. Just the whole thing with Melo honestly International with 3 gold medals, winning the title at Syracuse which will be his greatest accomplishment and his numbers overall as one of the prolific scorers of his eraΒ Sometimes people forget it is the basketball Hall of Fame and not purely the NBA tho even considering that, John Wall still has to have productive years to get inΒ Melo was a DISTANT career 3rd from his draft class, but an argument can be made that he was a better Olympic player than Wade or Bron. Wall will still be a starter and put up numbers when he comes back, he'll just be at like 75% of what he was. So he'll stack his numbers for 3 years and then D Rose into Bolivia, as Iron Mike would say. His star days are over, but that doesn't mean he can't average like 16/17 and 7. He's basically Jeff Teague now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2019 0:54:06 GMT -5
Just the whole thing with Melo honestly International with 3 gold medals, winning the title at Syracuse which will be his greatest accomplishment and his numbers overall as one of the prolific scorers of his era Sometimes people forget it is the basketball Hall of Fame and not purely the NBA tho even considering that, John Wall still has to have productive years to get in Melo was a DISTANT career 3rd from his draft class, but an argument can be made that he was a better Olympic player than Wade or Bron. Wall will still be a starter and put up numbers when he comes back, he'll just be at like 75% of what he was. So he'll stack his numbers for 3 years and then D Rose into Bolivia, as Iron Mike would say. His star days are over, but that doesn't mean he can't average like 16/17 and 7. He's basically Jeff Teague now. Melo is a better Olympic player than them as a 4 he could do a lot of shit but he was too knuckleheaded to actually use that to his advantage in the NBA. The one year the Knicks won 50 plus games was when he played PF all year because he could take them off the dribble while also being strong enough to contend with majority but he didn't like it Wall will still put up his numbers but it will all depend on his career totals. He was on pace to finish decent in steals and assist but he has to hope he can put up decent years of numbers before the legs completely give out because I don't see him playing past 37. Up until this point John Wall was a 19 & 9 player with 1.7 steals a game. It would be comparable to Chris Paul numbers wise who averages 18.5 and 10 with 2.2 steals a game.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 7, 2019 2:39:50 GMT -5
Breakout season commence.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 7, 2019 5:56:27 GMT -5
Breakout season commence. Last year was his breakout. I would say this year he could make the All Star team, but the West is very very stacked. You've got Russell, Harden, Lillard, Westbrook, Curry, Mitchell, DeRozan, Jrue as well as guys like Conley, McCollum, Jamal Murray, CP3, etc at Guard. I think he puts up an AS-caliber year, but good luck beating some of these guys out in voting. Regardless of if he is better or not, Westbrook will gwt more votes.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 7, 2019 6:05:18 GMT -5
Melo was a DISTANT career 3rd from his draft class, but an argument can be made that he was a better Olympic player than Wade or Bron. Wall will still be a starter and put up numbers when he comes back, he'll just be at like 75% of what he was. So he'll stack his numbers for 3 years and then D Rose into Bolivia, as Iron Mike would say. His star days are over, but that doesn't mean he can't average like 16/17 and 7. He's basically Jeff Teague now. Melo is a better Olympic player than them as a 4 he could do a lot of shit but he was too knuckleheaded to actually use that to his advantage in the NBA. The one year the Knicks won 50 plus games was when he played PF all year because he could take them off the dribble while also being strong enough to contend with majority but he didn't like it Wall will still put up his numbers but it will all depend on his career totals. He was on pace to finish decent in steals and assist but he has to hope he can put up decent years of numbers before the legs completely give out because I don't see him playing past 37. Up until this point John Wall was a 19 & 9 player with 1.7 steals a game. It would be comparable to Chris Paul numbers wise who averages 18.5 and 10 with 2.2 steals a game.Β Melo was a scoring beast on 3 gold medal teams. That and balling out at Syracuse for a title alone probably put him halfway there. As much potential as he left out on the basketball court, his scoring gets him well to the rest of the way to a surefire HOF, given their qualifications. Wall will be damn lucky to see 37 in the league. He's only what almost 30 now? I think 35 is when teams are gonna look at him and be like "Why would we sign him now?" He's had a few (not big) attitude issues, he's always relied on speed, he's not a good 3 point shooter, he was injury-prone before these back-to-back ruptures, and while being a good steals player, he's always been pretty average at defense.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 7, 2019 6:13:44 GMT -5
Breakout season commence. Last year was his breakout. I would say this year he could make the All Star team, but the West is very very stacked. You've got Russell, Harden, Lillard, Westbrook, Curry, Mitchell, DeRozan, Jrue as well as guys like Conley, McCollum, Jamal Murray, CP3, etc at Guard. I think he puts up an AS-caliber year, but good luck beating some of these guys out in voting. Regardless of if he is better or not, Westbrook will gwt more votes. Yeah, last year was the coming out party, this year is the ascension to the next level. AS-level numbers. He wonβt make the team because itβs all a popularity contest and name value, so who cares. His numbers and play will be right up with those guys. And heβs only 21.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2019 12:07:46 GMT -5
Melo is a better Olympic player than them as a 4 he could do a lot of shit but he was too knuckleheaded to actually use that to his advantage in the NBA. The one year the Knicks won 50 plus games was when he played PF all year because he could take them off the dribble while also being strong enough to contend with majority but he didn't like it Wall will still put up his numbers but it will all depend on his career totals. He was on pace to finish decent in steals and assist but he has to hope he can put up decent years of numbers before the legs completely give out because I don't see him playing past 37. Up until this point John Wall was a 19 & 9 player with 1.7 steals a game. It would be comparable to Chris Paul numbers wise who averages 18.5 and 10 with 2.2 steals a game. Melo was a scoring beast on 3 gold medal teams. That and balling out at Syracuse for a title alone probably put him halfway there. As much potential as he left out on the basketball court, his scoring gets him well to the rest of the way to a surefire HOF, given their qualifications. Wall will be damn lucky to see 37 in the league. He's only what almost 30 now? I think 35 is when teams are gonna look at him and be like "Why would we sign him now?" He's had a few (not big) attitude issues, he's always relied on speed, he's not a good 3 point shooter, he was injury-prone before these back-to-back ruptures, and while being a good steals player, he's always been pretty average at defense. It's weird. For a HOF player it just seems like Melo left shit on the floor he could have easily done and been closer to his counterparts in Wade and LBJ who in Wade is considered the greatest SG behind Jordan and Kobe and LeBron who will be the greatest statistical player of all time. Melo had the tools to do it as the star player with a bunch of good players around him but his own selfishness is a down fall. Keep in mind for the first like 11 years of his career he made the playoffs and got to the WCF finals against the Lakers but his closest comparison in terms of recent memory will be T-Mac In regards to Wall, yeah he is only 28 and will be 29 in September. Still in his physical prime BUT he is essentially missing his ages of 28 and 29 and is not coming back on the court until he is 30. He is going to have to come in with a jump shot otherwise even with the money they are paying him, I can see Washington just sitting him at points if he struggles real bad. Beal is the man there but he will be gone soon
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 7, 2019 16:11:41 GMT -5
T-Mac is on an island to himself,not only did injuries derail his career but the times he was healthy his all star teammates were injured.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2019 18:37:25 GMT -5
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 7, 2019 22:58:13 GMT -5
T-Mac is on an island to himself,not only did injuries derail his career but the times he was healthy his all star teammates were injured. If only he and Vince Carter stayed in Toronto.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 8, 2019 0:12:00 GMT -5
T-Mac is on an island to himself,not only did injuries derail his career but the times he was healthy his all star teammates were injured. McGrady is one of the greatest what-if's of the NBA if he had consistent help or was on a legitimate championship contender. Just the thought of him on a team like San Antonio in his prime is a frightening thought. Another great player who retired without a championship.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 8, 2019 0:12:47 GMT -5
T-Mac is on an island to himself,not only did injuries derail his career but the times he was healthy his all star teammates were injured. If only he and Vince Carter stayed in Toronto. Eh, I don't think he would've broke out the way he did if he stayed in Toronto. One of them was bound to leave at some point. Also you can thank Bruce Bowen for Vince's decline.
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