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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 27, 2020 1:33:22 GMT -5
I'm happy the NBA is letting them take a stand I stand with them. But I'm bitter they still accept money and cater towards China. LeBron leading the charge in that has still left a bitter taste in my mouth. But I'm hoping once they start here, they'll eventually move on to the China situation They've got way too much money tied up in China to come down hard on that. I commend them on taking a stand on domestic social justice issues, but the NBA is still a capitalist entity that's not going to throw away billions for a cause that doesn't personally affect them or their players. That is very true! I do think that would be a tricky situation, but the players and PBA face an uphill climb before they even touch the China situation. I just didn't like how the league (especially Lebron) shut down Morey for speaking out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 1:43:11 GMT -5
Proud of my Clippers. All the teams obviously but Clippers have a chance to do something that’s never been done before & they’re still going for it.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 27, 2020 2:11:15 GMT -5
Which is nuts that they tried to buy his silence, and also that for other who don't have NBA player type money eho would take that offer and be exploited. Good for the players. This is a complicated issue and so far the main idea is that we just stick to the status quo and whoever the outliers are, they're collateral damage. But those outliers have kids and parents and friends. It's crazy that NBA players hold their feet to the fire more than courts and politicians do. But I'm happy that there seems to be a tide changing toward actual reform. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 8:39:51 GMT -5
Apparently there's concern that if they end the season the owners will opt out of the CBA in October and then there will be a prolonged lockout because of Covid. At that point they'd want a serious reduction in salaries for all players... This could have massive ramifications. Yeah this could have serious ramifications for the players if they decide to cancel the rest of the season/playoffs. The CBA and salary cap is tied to league revenue. Not playing will take a chunk out of that, especially with the 2021 season being up in the air due to Covid. The owners are billionaires in the business of making money, so while some may fight with the players, it’s no guarantee that all or even most will follow suit. The players essentially striking is going to force a lot of changes that will hurt the players and the league in the long run. That’s why this is the most powerful step the players could possibly take. A lot of these players are set financially but they are still willing to take a setback financially for the cause. Basically the definition of putting money where their mouth is. Props to them. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 27, 2020 9:33:20 GMT -5
Apparently there's concern that if they end the season the owners will opt out of the CBA in October and then there will be a prolonged lockout because of Covid. At that point they'd want a serious reduction in salaries for all players... This could have massive ramifications. Yeah this could have serious ramifications for the players if they decide to cancel the rest of the season/playoffs. The CBA and salary cap is tied to league revenue. Not playing will take a chunk out of that, especially with the 2021 season being up in the air due to Covid. The owners are billionaires in the business of making money, so while some may fight with the players, it’s no guarantee that all or even most will follow suit. The players essentially striking is going to force a lot of changes that will hurt the players and the league in the long run. That’s why this is the most powerful step the players could possibly take. A lot of these players are set financially but they are still willing to take a setback financially for the cause. Basically the definition of putting money where their mouth is. Props to them. It's true. The NBA is a players league because they make money hand over fist. If that money stops coming in altogether, the owners are likely to get a much firmer hand in negotiations. But I don't think it gets to that point. |
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Post by Mecca on Aug 27, 2020 10:26:40 GMT -5
Also Kawhi Leonard wants them to end the season, said he's fine going home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:37:35 GMT -5
Yeah this could have serious ramifications for the players if they decide to cancel the rest of the season/playoffs. The CBA and salary cap is tied to league revenue. Not playing will take a chunk out of that, especially with the 2021 season being up in the air due to Covid. The owners are billionaires in the business of making money, so while some may fight with the players, it’s no guarantee that all or even most will follow suit. The players essentially striking is going to force a lot of changes that will hurt the players and the league in the long run. That’s why this is the most powerful step the players could possibly take. A lot of these players are set financially but they are still willing to take a setback financially for the cause. Basically the definition of putting money where their mouth is. Props to them. It's true. The NBA is a players league because they make money hand over fist. If that money stops coming in altogether, the owners are likely to get a much firmer hand in negotiations. But I don't think it gets to that point. The owners/Silver spent $150 million to create a bubble for the players, and then basically gave the players carte blanche in terms of furthering their social justice cause. In return the players boycotted and could potentially put league revenues for the foreseeable future at risk. I could see owners rebelling a bit. It would be a bad PR look if they did, but I can’t imagine everyone is going to be on board with a plan that impacts their pocketbooks this much. I’m curious to see what happens if the players do decide to end the playoffs, not only for the NBA, but the ripple effect it will have on other sports, namely the NFL (which is the other major US sport that is predominantly black). |
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Post by Mecca on Aug 27, 2020 10:40:03 GMT -5
It's true. The NBA is a players league because they make money hand over fist. If that money stops coming in altogether, the owners are likely to get a much firmer hand in negotiations. But I don't think it gets to that point. The owners/Silver spent $150 million to create a bubble for the players, and then basically gave the players carte blanche in terms of furthering their social justice cause. In return the players boycotted and could potentially put league revenues for the foreseeable future at risk. I could see owners rebelling a bit. It would be a bad PR look if they did, but I can’t imagine everyone is going to be on board with a plan that impacts their pocketbooks this much. I’m curious to see what happens if the players do decide to end the playoffs, not only for the NBA, but the ripple effect it will have on other sports, namely the NFL (which is the other major US sport that is predominantly black). The players hate the bubble, apparently some of them are pissed off that they're stuck in it while Adam Silver is not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 10:47:22 GMT -5
The owners/Silver spent $150 million to create a bubble for the players, and then basically gave the players carte blanche in terms of furthering their social justice cause. In return the players boycotted and could potentially put league revenues for the foreseeable future at risk. I could see owners rebelling a bit. It would be a bad PR look if they did, but I can’t imagine everyone is going to be on board with a plan that impacts their pocketbooks this much. I’m curious to see what happens if the players do decide to end the playoffs, not only for the NBA, but the ripple effect it will have on other sports, namely the NFL (which is the other major US sport that is predominantly black). The players hate the bubble, apparently some of them are pissed off that they're stuck in it while Adam Silver is not. Doesn’t surprise me. The MLBPA, which is the strongest union in sports, flat out refused a bubble for the regular season, likely for the same reasons the NBA players hate it. Unfortunately during a pandemic it is likely the safest way to conclude 2-3 months of uninterrupted play. The players had the option of no bubble if they wanted to, but then they would have run the risk of outbreaks like a couple of MLB teams had. What Silver did was likely his only option other than cancelling the season outright. The bubble might be the main reason why the NBA players want to shut down. They can’t leave to do anything. If the season ends, then they can actually go out and help their communities, meet with politicians, etc. I can understand their frustration. Facilitating change when confined to a resort is next to impossible. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 27, 2020 11:14:09 GMT -5
Let's stop getting political on this, please.
NBA games have been postponed today as well, but NBA players have voted to continue the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:15:02 GMT -5
The owners/Silver spent $150 million to create a bubble for the players, and then basically gave the players carte blanche in terms of furthering their social justice cause. In return the players boycotted and could potentially put league revenues for the foreseeable future at risk. I could see owners rebelling a bit. It would be a bad PR look if they did, but I can’t imagine everyone is going to be on board with a plan that impacts their pocketbooks this much. I’m curious to see what happens if the players do decide to end the playoffs, not only for the NBA, but the ripple effect it will have on other sports, namely the NFL (which is the other major US sport that is predominantly black). The players hate the bubble, apparently some of them are pissed off that they're stuck in it while Adam Silver is not. The thing is they are not stuck in the bubble They are allowed to leave whenever they want to...it is simply if they want to play they have rules to abide by which has worked tremendously with the strict testing and quarantining. The league IMO has done right by the players as far as this is concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:32:22 GMT -5
Players have agreed to continue the playoffs according to Woj. The financial and league ramifications with stopping the playoffs would have been too big, IMO.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 27, 2020 11:50:48 GMT -5
I was all for a walkout yesterday. It would have had the biggest impact NOW. But where would their platform be if the league shuttered for an extended strike.
A balanced and well informed decision to continue after the heat of last night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 12:08:44 GMT -5
I was all for a walkout yesterday. It would have had the biggest impact NOW. But where would their platform be if the league shuttered for an extended strike. A balanced and well informed decision to continue after the heat of last night. I wonder if the players will face some backlash in the court of public opinion for a boycott that lasted effectively 24 hours. I’m guessing we will hear a lot of “what was the point?” if/when he league starts back up on Friday. They were in a tough spot. Cancel the season, and the league faces long term damage. Come back Friday, and people will wonder what the point was for a boycott that was too short to accomplish any change. Ultimately as you said their message will be easier to convey with games happening, but they run the risk of viewers ignoring the message and rooting for their teams, which is just how fans operate. Really a difficult situation to be in. |
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Post by Mecca on Aug 27, 2020 12:40:28 GMT -5
I was all for a walkout yesterday. It would have had the biggest impact NOW. But where would their platform be if the league shuttered for an extended strike. A balanced and well informed decision to continue after the heat of last night. I wonder if the players will face some backlash in the court of public opinion for a boycott that lasted effectively 24 hours. I’m guessing we will hear a lot of “what was the point?” if/when he league starts back up on Friday. They were in a tough spot. Cancel the season, and the league faces long term damage. Come back Friday, and people will wonder what the point was for a boycott that was too short to accomplish any change. Ultimately as you said their message will be easier to convey with games happening, but they run the risk of viewers ignoring the message and rooting for their teams, which is just how fans operate. Really a difficult situation to be in. To be fair most people that watch the NBA are not in the group of people that are going to get mad about this, trying not to be political in response. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 27, 2020 13:02:41 GMT -5
The players made their point
In a related note that is overlooked, they also show once again what control they have over the sports world. When they shut down the first time, all sports took notice and followed suit. After yesterday with them boycotting, other teams in sports did as well and would have probably went further if the NBA players took more action
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 27, 2020 19:01:59 GMT -5
I'm happy the NBA is letting them take a stand I stand with them. But I'm bitter they still accept money and cater towards China. LeBron leading the charge in that has still left a bitter taste in my mouth. But I'm hoping once they start here, they'll eventually move on to the China situation They've got way too much money tied up in China to come down hard on that. I commend them on taking a stand on domestic social justice issues, but the NBA is still a capitalist entity that's not going to throw away billions for a cause that doesn't personally affect them or their players. Just because it doesn't personally affect them doesn't mean they can't still take a stand. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 28, 2020 3:28:52 GMT -5
The players hate the bubble, apparently some of them are pissed off that they're stuck in it while Adam Silver is not. Doesn’t surprise me. The MLBPA, which is the strongest union in sports, flat out refused a bubble for the regular season, likely for the same reasons the NBA players hate it. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, you keep using that phrase and I don't think you know what it means. The NBA players are less heard by the owners and more catered to. And that is not meant to lessen their stance here, but to illustrate that their union basically has the upper hand in negotiations. Until the day comes that they don't. The MLBPA has seen pay cuts, minor league cuts, and just lost a very heated negotiation over this season. Like, are we just handing them the title becauee baseball has yet to institute a salary cap or is there more to your point? |
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Aug 28, 2020 4:45:27 GMT -5
They've got way too much money tied up in China to come down hard on that. I commend them on taking a stand on domestic social justice issues, but the NBA is still a capitalist entity that's not going to throw away billions for a cause that doesn't personally affect them or their players. Just because it doesn't personally affect them doesn't mean they can't still take a stand. Quite. Surely what they are campaigning for now relies on people making changes for a cause that doesn't personally affect them? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 9:33:42 GMT -5
Doesn’t surprise me. The MLBPA, which is the strongest union in sports, flat out refused a bubble for the regular season, likely for the same reasons the NBA players hate it. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, you keep using that phrase and I don't think you know what it means. The NBA players are less heard by the owners and more catered to. And that is not meant to lessen their stance here, but to illustrate that their union basically has the upper hand in negotiations. Until the day comes that they don't. The MLBPA has seen pay cuts, minor league cuts, and just lost a very heated negotiation over this season. Like, are we just handing them the title becauee baseball has yet to institute a salary cap or is there more to your point? 1. The minor leagues and minor leaguers are not part of the MLBPA. 2. Tony Clark sucking at his job and the overall strength of the union are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, he can be bad and hold a strong front at the same time. 3. The owners want a salary cap, and have wanted it for decades, but MLB remains the one major US sport without one, so yes, that’s a very significant part of the strength of the union. 4. The players in the NBA are WAY more valuable to their sport and to the revenue of the league than MLB players are. They should have more power against the league. The MLB union shouldn’t. You can replace Mike Trout with Jo Adell in 2021 and I don’t think you’ll see a bit of difference in the team’s financial performance or the league’s popularity. If LeBron retired, you’d notice the hit in the NBA. Yet there is a cap on what NBA players can make. They are whining about being trapped in a bubble in Orlando. A pandemic is going to impact the cap and future salary of their players. None of those things apply to MLB players. I mean, the pandemic will hurt their future salaries but that’s because owners won’t spend, not because a cap prevents it. The MLB has a whole has been structured to be strong. They are the only sport with an antitrust exemption. Their umpire union is strong. Players union is strong. Comparing it to the NBA is apples and oranges. There’s no doubt that NBA players in terms of overall influence have the most power. All we have to look at is how every other league follows their lead to confirm that. But as far as strength of the union, I don’t see how you can argue MLB’s isn’t the strongest. I didn’t say the smartest, I said the strongest. If Clark was actually smart, MLB as a whole would be much better off. If he actually cared about minor league salaries, cared about the growth of the sport, etc, etc, the impact would be a lot more powerful. Unfortunately both him and Manfred only care about short term money for whoever they represent, so here we are. |
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