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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 0:12:00 GMT -5
Giannis probably thinkin "I wish I could just shoot 43% from the field and get more calls than anybody ever in basketball....." but he's too nice to ever go all-in on Harden like that. Add on it is real dumb to just say because he is tall he doesn't have skill. That must mean Shaq or someone like Zion doesn't have skill either because they dunked a lot Like Giannis legit has a chance to be MVP and DPOY this year, you can talk shit about his lack of shot or even some of his playoff numbers but to imply he isn't skilled when you take 40 shots a night to get 40 points is absurd Finishing at the rim is a skill. Zion gets slept on with it because he's so big and has hops, but his body control is ridiculous, he has great touch, always makes enough space amongst the trees to get his shot off. If anybody could do it, there wouldn't be Willie Cauley Steins and Tristan Thompsons out there. Not everybody big is putting up huge numbers. But especially Giannis, who is a really weird guy to call out for it. It's like calling Steph Curry a chucker. Giannis is one of the better defenders in the league and that's with him being an MVP-caliber player on offense. He isn't quite as good or as active on defense as he was when he didn't quite have the offensive load. AND he's averaging almost 14 boards. AND he's one of the better passing big men in the league. AND his deep shooting is coming along. AND he's the best inside the arc player in the league. But yeah, he's only good at being 7 feet tall and dunking. |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 0:13:33 GMT -5
Miami out here putting it on people in those stupid Heat unis (that I f***ing LOVE). I tried to warn people about these Heat. I think they could beat Toronto in a 7 game series tbh.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 0:20:48 GMT -5
Miami out here putting it on people in those stupid Heat unis (that I f***ing LOVE). I tried to warn people about these Heat. I think they could beat Toronto in a 7 game series tbh. Miami is one player away from legit being able to say they can contend I know they were dead set on CP3 but I would like to see them go after someone like a Devin Booker or Bradley Beal. It would def cost them Herro but with those caliber players you can give him up for them Of course, the other option is to keep that young affordable talent and sign complimentary pieces like Galliari, Wayne Ellington etc |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 0:34:55 GMT -5
Miami out here putting it on people in those stupid Heat unis (that I f***ing LOVE). I tried to warn people about these Heat. I think they could beat Toronto in a 7 game series tbh. Miami is one player away from legit being able to say they can contend I know they were dead set on CP3 but I would like to see them go after someone like a Devin Booker or Bradley Beal. It would def cost them Herro but with those caliber players you can give him up for them Of course, the other option is to keep that young affordable talent and sign complimentary pieces like Galliari, Wayne Ellington etc I think they need to make a move this off-season if they feel like they're ready to take the next step after this postseason. They need more scoring, so Beal would be an amazing get. Booker would be just as good, but I don't see him being as ready to leave as Beal is in Washington. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 0:41:18 GMT -5
Miami is one player away from legit being able to say they can contend I know they were dead set on CP3 but I would like to see them go after someone like a Devin Booker or Bradley Beal. It would def cost them Herro but with those caliber players you can give him up for them Of course, the other option is to keep that young affordable talent and sign complimentary pieces like Galliari, Wayne Ellington etc I think they need to make a move this off-season if they feel like they're ready to take the next step after this postseason. They need more scoring, so Beal would be an amazing get. Booker would be just as good, but I don't see him being as ready to leave as Beal is in Washington. Hell, if they had the cap I could have seen some real blockbuster trade where they get Wall and Beal but no damn way can you take on that Wall contract and he's missed two years of basketball Beal would no doubt cost them something like Herro, DJJ, Olynk and a pick or two. A line up of Nunn, Beal, Butler, Iggy and Bam isn't that bad at all. Assuming they can keep Crowder then you can keep him at the 4 instead of Iggy |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 0:58:18 GMT -5
I think they need to make a move this off-season if they feel like they're ready to take the next step after this postseason. They need more scoring, so Beal would be an amazing get. Booker would be just as good, but I don't see him being as ready to leave as Beal is in Washington. Hell, if they had the cap I could have seen some real blockbuster trade where they get Wall and Beal but no damn way can you take on that Wall contract and he's missed two years of basketball Beal would no doubt cost them something like Herro, DJJ, Olynk and a pick or two. A line up of Nunn, Beal, Butler, Iggy and Bam isn't that bad at all. Assuming they can keep Crowder then you can keep him at the 4 instead of Iggy Dragic coming off the books is big. Washington could use DJJ and Herro takes Beal's spot nicely. They still haven't transitioned to a rebuild yet and won't until they move Beal. This would be a big step for both franchises in the right direction. Washington would prob ask for Bam, but that'll never happen and they'll come back with a more realistic ask. Nobody is giving them more talent than DJJ and Herro, unless it's all in future picks which are a crapshoot and pushes their rebuild back even further. DJJ and Herro at least have some development at the pro level in a good organization. Them and the Wiz 1st this season could give them a nice little core going forward. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 1:06:39 GMT -5
Hell, if they had the cap I could have seen some real blockbuster trade where they get Wall and Beal but no damn way can you take on that Wall contract and he's missed two years of basketball Beal would no doubt cost them something like Herro, DJJ, Olynk and a pick or two. A line up of Nunn, Beal, Butler, Iggy and Bam isn't that bad at all. Assuming they can keep Crowder then you can keep him at the 4 instead of Iggy Dragic coming off the books is big. Washington could use DJJ and Herro takes Beal's spot nicely. They still haven't transitioned to a rebuild yet and won't until they move Beal. This would be a big step for both franchises in the right direction. Washington would prob ask for Bam, but that'll never happen and they'll come back with a more realistic ask. Nobody is giving them more talent than DJJ and Herro, unless it's all in future picks which are a crapshoot and pushes their rebuild back even further. And they can sign Dragic back on a cheap deal as well who will be a good backup PG like he has been. DJJ and Herro are quality pieces that are worth taking to build around. I can't see other deals being close. OKC I don't see giving up any of their picks since this year is somewhat a fluke. Memphis maybe can make a deal but I think they don't want anything getting in the way of Morant development. New Orleans maybe if they give up Ball and one of the LA picks they got from the Lakers DJJ, Herro and a pick works nicely for Washington and they can hope Wall gets healthy so they can move him at some point. Washington got players I like, like Wagner, Hachimura, and adding DJJ and Herro to that mix will only make them better and a young team worth looking out for |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 1:21:27 GMT -5
Dragic coming off the books is big. Washington could use DJJ and Herro takes Beal's spot nicely. They still haven't transitioned to a rebuild yet and won't until they move Beal. This would be a big step for both franchises in the right direction. Washington would prob ask for Bam, but that'll never happen and they'll come back with a more realistic ask. Nobody is giving them more talent than DJJ and Herro, unless it's all in future picks which are a crapshoot and pushes their rebuild back even further. And they can sign Dragic back on a cheap deal as well who will be a good backup PG like he has been. DJJ and Herro are quality pieces that are worth taking to build around. I can't see other deals being close. OKC I don't see giving up any of their picks since this year is somewhat a fluke. Memphis maybe can make a deal but I think they don't want anything getting in the way of Morant development. New Orleans maybe if they give up Ball and one of the LA picks they got from the Lakers DJJ, Herro and a pick works nicely for Washington and they can hope Wall gets healthy so they can move him at some point. Washington got players I like, like Wagner, Hachimura, and adding DJJ and Herro to that mix will only make them better and a young team worth looking out for If Memphis offered Clarke and their 1st this draft, I think that would be a better deal but it's comparable and I doubt Memphis moves any of their young guys. NO would be crazy to deal Lonzo, but then if he wants too much money, see ya. IIRC, Favors and Redick are off the books this off-season. Max Ingram, trade Jrue for assets, and then flip those and Lonzo for Beal. But Miami is and has been the most motivated buyer. Everyone else comes down to how much they want to commit to changing a young team. Which is a good situation for the Heat. Those teams could end up Ainge-ing and sitting on their hands. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 1:28:30 GMT -5
And they can sign Dragic back on a cheap deal as well who will be a good backup PG like he has been. DJJ and Herro are quality pieces that are worth taking to build around. I can't see other deals being close. OKC I don't see giving up any of their picks since this year is somewhat a fluke. Memphis maybe can make a deal but I think they don't want anything getting in the way of Morant development. New Orleans maybe if they give up Ball and one of the LA picks they got from the Lakers DJJ, Herro and a pick works nicely for Washington and they can hope Wall gets healthy so they can move him at some point. Washington got players I like, like Wagner, Hachimura, and adding DJJ and Herro to that mix will only make them better and a young team worth looking out for If Memphis offered Clarke and their 1st this draft, I think that would be a better deal but it's comparable and I doubt Memphis moves any of their young guys. NO would be crazy to deal Lonzo, but then if he wants too much money, see ya. IIRC, Favors and Redick are off the books this off-season. Max Ingram, trade Jrue for assets, and then flip those and Lonzo for Beal. Clarke and a pick would def make it happen but that's a high price for a team to pay especially when JJJ and Clarke work really well together and this whole team in itself is a young high uptempo team Lonzo I can see wanting the max after this offseason which I don't think NO is willing to pay. Once again that could be another mega deal that involves Wall but that tandem Ball/Zion works so well it might be hard to break up. Jrue is getting traded at some point and they will get a pick for him so they will have assets to make a move. They will probably be a team that gets Booker In speaking of Miami, supposedly Embiid is favoring them but I just can't see that being a move especially when they got Bam and I really don't think Embiid is a big enough upgrade over Bam to make that move nor would I make it |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 1:56:41 GMT -5
If Memphis offered Clarke and their 1st this draft, I think that would be a better deal but it's comparable and I doubt Memphis moves any of their young guys. NO would be crazy to deal Lonzo, but then if he wants too much money, see ya. IIRC, Favors and Redick are off the books this off-season. Max Ingram, trade Jrue for assets, and then flip those and Lonzo for Beal. Clarke and a pick would def make it happen but that's a high price for a team to pay especially when JJJ and Clarke work really well together and this whole team in itself is a young high uptempo team Lonzo I can see wanting the max after this offseason which I don't think NO is willing to pay. Once again that could be another mega deal that involves Wall but that tandem Ball/Zion works so well it might be hard to break up. Jrue is getting traded at some point and they will get a pick for him so they will have assets to make a move. They will probably be a team that gets Booker In speaking of Miami, supposedly Embiid is favoring them but I just can't see that being a move especially when they got Bam and I really don't think Embiid is a big enough upgrade over Bam to make that move nor would I make it Maybe they move JV, but then I think Miami's offer is better. Lonzo wants a lot of shit, but that mf ain't worth the max. He's a great passer and a good defender, and nothing else. Terribly streaky shooter, still doesn't score much, atrocious FT shooter, isn't great off the ball. The question at the beginning of the season was if Ingram was worth the max and he is after this huge breakout. But Lonzo still has a long way to go. Bam is fantastic. Mobile, good passer, good on the boards, good defensively. Just one of the best all-around big men in basketball. And young. Embiid requires the ball a ton, commands huge money, and has an attitude. Bam is a much better value. |
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Post by Shark on Feb 29, 2020 2:22:38 GMT -5
Giannis probably thinkin "I wish I could just shoot 43% from the field and get more calls than anybody ever in basketball....." but he's too nice to ever go all-in on Harden like that. Add on it is real dumb to just say because he is tall he doesn't have skill. That must mean Shaq or someone like Zion doesn't have skill either because they dunked a lot Like Giannis legit has a chance to be MVP and DPOY this year, you can talk shit about his lack of shot or even s ome of his playoff numbers but to imply he isn't skilled when you take 40 shots a night to get 40 points is absurd It's not like Harden is some powerhouse in the playoffs either. I don't recall Harden ever winning a championship or coming up huge in the playoffs |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 2:26:07 GMT -5
Clarke and a pick would def make it happen but that's a high price for a team to pay especially when JJJ and Clarke work really well together and this whole team in itself is a young high uptempo team Lonzo I can see wanting the max after this offseason which I don't think NO is willing to pay. Once again that could be another mega deal that involves Wall but that tandem Ball/Zion works so well it might be hard to break up. Jrue is getting traded at some point and they will get a pick for him so they will have assets to make a move. They will probably be a team that gets Booker In speaking of Miami, supposedly Embiid is favoring them but I just can't see that being a move especially when they got Bam and I really don't think Embiid is a big enough upgrade over Bam to make that move nor would I make it Maybe they move JV, but then I think Miami's offer is better. Lonzo wants a lot of shit, but that mf ain't worth the max. He's a great passer and a good defender, and nothing else. Terribly streaky shooter, still doesn't score much, atrocious FT shooter, isn't great off the ball. The question at the beginning of the season was if Ingram was worth the max and he is after this huge breakout. But Lonzo still has a long way to go. Bam is fantastic. Mobile, good passer, good on the boards, good defensively. Just one of the best all-around big men in basketball. And young. Embiid requires the ball a ton, commands huge money, and has an attitude. Bam is a much better value. If the Pelicans can get Lonzo at $15-$18 mill a year they will take it but anything over that especially around the $25 mill range they will probably let someone take him. I like what he does but they have to maximize that cap while Zion is a rookie and giving Lonzo a max deal isn't it Yea, Embiid isn't really a player that fits with Miami. I do think he can be dominant elsewhere like even a San Antonio with Pop teaching him discipline would be great but no way should Miami give up Bam for him. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 2:28:14 GMT -5
Add on it is real dumb to just say because he is tall he doesn't have skill. That must mean Shaq or someone like Zion doesn't have skill either because they dunked a lot Like Giannis legit has a chance to be MVP and DPOY this year, you can talk shit about his lack of shot or even s ome of his playoff numbers but to imply he isn't skilled when you take 40 shots a night to get 40 points is absurd It's not like Harden is some powerhouse in the playoffs either. I don't recall Harden ever winning a championship or coming up huge in the playoffs True, which is why he really can't go that route of talking shit. Harden is just being dumb because he didn't win MVP (he didn't deserve it). He is past the point of MVP mattering for him as it is championship or nothing but he's stuck on personal stats |
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Post by jjohns828 on Feb 29, 2020 8:14:25 GMT -5
3 teams scored over 130 tonight including the f***ing horrible ass Orlando offense To be fair to Orlando our offense has started to click a little more this month especially with Aaron Gordon turning things around after a rough start to the season. I'm just hoping he can keep it up for the rest of the year to increase his trade value since I still think Isaac is the better long-term choice at PF. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 29, 2020 12:05:50 GMT -5
Salty Harden is hilarious.
“I don’t care about what people think. I GOT MORE ASSISTS ANYWAY”
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 12:35:06 GMT -5
Harden confirming what we already know about him (and West) that they play completely mindful of their stats. Which may or may not explain his playoff success or lack thereof. He doesn't care about playing his best basketball in the season, he cares about his stats. LeBron, KD, Steph, as much as they all have their flaws, have tried to develop their all-around game. Including defense. James is playing like he has himself on his fantasy team. Which also wouldn't shock me. Dude's ego is up there with KD irl or LeBron in executive decisions.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 12:58:03 GMT -5
Harden confirming what we already know about him (and West) that they play completely mindful of their stats. Which may or may not explain his playoff success or lack thereof. He doesn't care about playing his best basketball in the season, he cares about his stats. LeBron, KD, Steph, as much as they all have their flaws, have tried to develop their all-around game. Including defense. James is playing like he has himself on his fantasy team. Which also wouldn't shock me. Dude's ego is up there with KD irl or LeBron in executive decisions. It is the reason why both Brodie and Harden have gone through as many teammates as they have. I never blamed KD for leaving OKC (Joining Warriors is a bitch move) because that man defended Russ to the death and made Russ feel comfortable but when it came to the end Westbrook always wanted to be the man when he wasn't. Same with Harden with him bumping heads with Howard and CP3. Harden should be worrying about winning in the playoffs but he is too stuck on personal goals and it will cost him in the long run. Scoring 35 a game is crazy but it is not a unique talent for him. If you let someone like KD and Curry in that offense they would get 40 and be more efficient. Rockets are probably in for a rude awakening because anything short of a NBA finals appearance means D'antoni is gone and that offense is gone too |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 29, 2020 13:00:34 GMT -5
3 teams scored over 130 tonight including the f***ing horrible ass Orlando offense To be fair to Orlando our offense has started to click a little more this month especially with Aaron Gordon turning things around after a rough start to the season. I'm just hoping he can keep it up for the rest of the year to increase his trade value since I still think Isaac is the better long-term choice at PF. I like Gordon but he has yet to put it all together which I think won't happen until he gets moved ala Olapido Fultz has low key had a really good year and been a good investment for Orlando. They are missing that pure scorer who can get them 30 at anytime to compliment that defense |
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Post by jjohns828 on Feb 29, 2020 13:16:58 GMT -5
To be fair to Orlando our offense has started to click a little more this month especially with Aaron Gordon turning things around after a rough start to the season. I'm just hoping he can keep it up for the rest of the year to increase his trade value since I still think Isaac is the better long-term choice at PF. I like Gordon but he has yet to put it all together which I think won't happen until he gets moved ala Olapido Fultz has low key had a really good year and been a good investment for Orlando. They are missing that pure scorer who can get them 30 at anytime to compliment that defense I agree with pretty much all of this. I still like Gordon but it's obvious that if he's ever going to reach his full potential it will be elsewhere which is why I hope he keeps up this play so we can trade him for decent value in the offseason, hopefully for an offensive minded wing. In the offseason we really need to move him and fully commit to Isaac at PF to anchor our defense and also, something that might not be obvious to people who don't regularly watch the Magic, we need to move one of Fournier or Vucevic. I like them both individually but too often they play a two man game on offense fans in town have taken to calling buddy ball and it can be stifling to the offensive development of Fultz and the other young players that need to get more looks on offense to hopefully develop. |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2020 13:31:29 GMT -5
I was kinda pulling for Fultz to turn it around, but had honestly very low expectations for him. Especially in Orlando. Their player development hasn't been the best historically. But he's done kinda well. But this is honestly just a segway to Chuck's best rant ever, after some Twitter troll told them to stop acting like Fultz was an underdog.
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