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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 14:04:42 GMT -5
Interesting question: If Covid happened last year, or if this year's Lakers were last year's Lakers (missing the playoffs/no AD), how different would this restart discussion be? The one person who benefits most from a restart is LeBron. He doesn't have many years left as an elite player, and the Lakers have a real shot at a title this year. Is there that much urgency for anyone else? Kawhi won a title last year. Giannis has his whole career ahead of him. KD is out. The Warriors don't care since Klay is out. Seems pretty clear who the players are afraid to speak out against if that's the case, although I'm not exactly a LBJ fan, so maybe I'm biased. They still would made it happen. LeBron isn’t the only important voice. CP3 is the leader of the players union and he was on a playoff Rockets team last year. Warriors had everyone healthy sans KD around this time. Toronto was not going to let their Kawhi investment walk out the door for nothing. LeBron has a big voice but with him out of the playoffs at this point his voice wouldn’t have mattered at all Yeah I meant if last year’s Lakers were this year’s Lakers more than if this happened last year. Let’s say everything this year is the same except LBJ’s team is out of it. The conversation might be different. Realistically only 3 teams have a shot at the title barring injuries, and two of those stars either won last year or is just entering his prime. A lot of other stars are either hurt or don’t have a realistic shot at winning it all. Most regular season games were played so it’s not like baseball where players haven’t gotten money yet. The incentive seems pretty low for most players. I know players want to play from a competitive standpoint but no one stands to really benefit from this as much as LBJ potentially does. |
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Post by Rican on Jun 12, 2020 14:15:18 GMT -5
So we may have some problems with the restart plan Also: Yeah I want basketball back but looks like they're gonna have to figure some things out. I hope the players have their voices heard. Very interesting to see in that Yahoo article that there was fear among players about opposing the star players who have been vocal about wanting to restart..... Nothing is stopping that reopening plan They already threw out the possibility of replacement players and they will go that route. Not enough players will ball at the chance of missing playing ball. The most notable name to say he’s uncomfortable has been Melo while a few others said they may not go for reasons we can’t discuss 150-200 players are supposed to be on that call tonight, that's 1/3 of the league. There are only so many replacement players gonna be available. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2020 14:15:32 GMT -5
They still would made it happen. LeBron isn’t the only important voice. CP3 is the leader of the players union and he was on a playoff Rockets team last year. Warriors had everyone healthy sans KD around this time. Toronto was not going to let their Kawhi investment walk out the door for nothing. LeBron has a big voice but with him out of the playoffs at this point his voice wouldn’t have mattered at all Yeah I meant if last year’s Lakers were this year’s Lakers more than if this happened last year. Let’s say everything this year is the same except LBJ’s team is out of it. The conversation might be different. Still the same. LeBron does not have that big a voice to control the whole nba when it’s going to be him saying no vs 75% of the nba saying yes. CP3 is still the president of the players and on a playoff team. Rookie sensation Zion could help Pelicans make the playoffs in his first year. Clippers is a stacked squad and not going to give this up lightly. Harden and Westbrook same thing Don’t confuse it. LeBron can’t over rule the majority of the NBA and Silver will go with the majority especially with CP3 in his ear everyday. He would cause himself a world of shit and lose all the trust in the players if LeBron said he didn’t want to play and went with or because Lakers is out he didn’t want to continue the season. LeBron is a star but he can’t dictate a championship |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2020 14:19:05 GMT -5
Nothing is stopping that reopening plan They already threw out the possibility of replacement players and they will go that route. Not enough players will ball at the chance of missing playing ball. The most notable name to say he’s uncomfortable has been Melo while a few others said they may not go for reasons we can’t discuss 150-200 players are supposed to be on that call tonight, that's 1/3 of the league. There are only so many replacement players gonna be available. Depends how many rotation players are in it. Who’s actually in this tournament hunt, and how many starts speak up. As I said I know for sure Kyrie has his own reason for not wanting to start the season again but he isn’t playing. Supposedly 1/3 of the top 40 stars in the league are mad so depending on who that is it could cause a problem |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 14:24:33 GMT -5
Yeah I meant if last year’s Lakers were this year’s Lakers more than if this happened last year. Let’s say everything this year is the same except LBJ’s team is out of it. The conversation might be different. Still the same. LeBron does not have that big a voice to control the whole nba when it’s going to be him saying no vs 75% of the nba saying yes. CP3 is still the president of the players and on a playoff team. Rookie sensation Zion could help Pelicans make the playoffs in his first year. Clippers is a stacked squad and not going to give this up lightly. Harden and Westbrook same thing Don’t confuse it. LeBron can’t over rule the majority of the NBA and Silver will go with the majority especially with CP3 in his ear everyday. He would cause himself a world of shit and lose all the trust in the players if LeBron said he didn’t want to play and went with or because Lakers is out he didn’t want to continue the season. LeBron is a star but he can’t dictate a championship I see your point but if LBJ weren’t in the playoffs, then the NBA loses from it. He’s the biggest athlete in the US and arguably the world. Then you factor in no KD, no Steph/Warriors, Zion needing to overtake two teams to get the 8th seed (I’d bet on playoff Dame over rookie Zion), etc. The entire NBA narrative is built around whether LBJ can win a title combined with the LA/LA rivalry. No one else really benefits. I know players want to play but it’s not like everyone has an equal chance of winning. I see your point though. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 12, 2020 16:53:38 GMT -5
Still the same. LeBron does not have that big a voice to control the whole nba when it’s going to be him saying no vs 75% of the nba saying yes. CP3 is still the president of the players and on a playoff team. Rookie sensation Zion could help Pelicans make the playoffs in his first year. Clippers is a stacked squad and not going to give this up lightly. Harden and Westbrook same thing Don’t confuse it. LeBron can’t over rule the majority of the NBA and Silver will go with the majority especially with CP3 in his ear everyday. He would cause himself a world of shit and lose all the trust in the players if LeBron said he didn’t want to play and went with or because Lakers is out he didn’t want to continue the season. LeBron is a star but he can’t dictate a championship I see your point but if LBJ weren’t in the playoffs, then the NBA loses from it. He’s the biggest athlete in the US and arguably the world. Then you factor in no KD, no Steph/Warriors, Zion needing to overtake two teams to get the 8th seed (I’d bet on playoff Dame over rookie Zion), etc. The entire NBA narrative is built around whether LBJ can win a title combined with the LA/LA rivalry. No one else really benefits. I know players want to play but it’s not like everyone has an equal chance of winning. I see your point though. If I can play Devils Advocate for a moment  While you are right that the NBA this playoffs would miss star power if LeBron was out, they would have missing Steph, KD, Klay, Kyrie, basically the players that make up the last 5-6 NBA finals; it is still majority rule You still have Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, PG13, Giannis, CP3, Luka, all of Toronto, etc... The NBA is not a casual audience. While LeBron is the biggest pro athlete in the world, the NBA is formed on stars and even your ultra casual NBA watcher would know those names I mentioned off jump. So sure, you're missing out on current stars but you would be damning your current and future stars in people like Giannis and Luka for a handful of players who have been part of the finals the last few years. The viewers were tired of seeing the same matchups in the NBA finals especially once Cavs kept getting smoked. This year the entire narrative was the year of the intrigue where the door is wide open which is why the NBA came in with such hype. So yeah, even if LeBron was out there was no way they would cancel this season unless they absolutely had to |
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 12, 2020 23:11:34 GMT -5
Kyrie Irving led the players call tonight, and he believes there's systematic racism in the plans to quarantine the players in Orlando, and says he won't go in order to get social reform (per Shams Charania of The Athletic).
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 12, 2020 23:48:12 GMT -5
Kyrie Irving led the players call tonight, and he believes there's systematic racism in the plans to quarantine the players in Orlando, and says he won't go in order to get social reform (per Shams Charania of The Athletic). This plan was in the works before any of the protests and unrest were happening. Of course Kyrie “the earth is flat” Irving would think something is fishy about it. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 13, 2020 4:18:22 GMT -5
Charania also posted the expected timetable for the restart:
July 31st-August 14th: Seeding games
August 15th-16th: Possible play-in games
August 17th: Start of NBA Playoffs
August 30th: Families and guests of players/teams arrive on site
August 31st-September 13th: Conference Semi Finals
September 15th-September 28th: Conference Finals
September 30th-October 13th: NBA Finals
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2020 11:52:07 GMT -5
Austin Rivers had a very measured response to Kyrie I felt. As for Kyrie? I feel like if it wasn't for the bizarre reputation he has developed his opinion would be more well received or taken seriously
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 13, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -5
Y’all missing the damn point in what Kyrie saying
Either way drop it since we can’t talk about it anyway
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2020 17:38:32 GMT -5
Y’all missing the damn point in what Kyrie saying Either way drop it since we can’t talk about it anyway The one point I saw that doesn't go in Kyrie's favor is that this was all in the works before racism took center stage again. Either way I stand by my thought it is the messenger not the message |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 16, 2020 11:29:16 GMT -5
Every other sport is going nuts in regards to COVID, and well maybe not playing a season. The NBA on the other hand has a full on plan to finish the season, a plan that's good enough to get the approval of Anthony Fauci.
That's what happens when you've got the best commissioner in sports. Unless he massively f***s something up, Silver's gonna be in the Hall of Fame the first time he comes up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2020 19:30:01 GMT -5
Back to the NBA
Kyrie supposedly said in the team group text, they should start their own league. My boy what are you doing
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Post by sfvega on Jun 16, 2020 19:36:48 GMT -5
Back to the NBA Kyrie supposedly said in the team group text, they should start their own league. My boy what are you doing I remember in the Ricky Williams 30 for 30, LeBatard said something to the effect of 95% of what Ricky says is some of the most enlightened things he's heard and 5% of what Ricky says makes him think Ricky sits in a tinfoil hat in his house so aliens don't read his mind. Kyrie's numbers are the inverse of that. Also hilarious that this dude went to Duke. Very good minds get rejected from Duke every year, but this dude gets to babble his nonsense and probably piss off most of the alumni on a regular basis. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2020 19:41:44 GMT -5
Back to the NBA Kyrie supposedly said in the team group text, they should start their own league. My boy what are you doing I remember in the Ricky Williams 30 for 30, LeBatard said something to the effect of 95% of what Ricky says is some of the most enlightened things he's heard and 5% of what Ricky says makes him think Ricky sits in a tinfoil hat in his house so aliens don't read his mind. Kyrie's numbers are the inverse of that. Also hilarious that this dude went to Duke. Very good minds get rejected from Duke every year, but this dude gets to babble his nonsense and probably piss off most of the alumni on a regular basis. The problem is this man doesn't stop. Like I get what you were trying to say before without going into it since we can't but THIS, nah bruh let's scale that back 200 steps He's probably going to say the line I hate the most next about "feeling like slaves" when Draymond said that a few years ago. Y'all not starting another league and i'm pretty sure LeBron like this man about to f*** up my 4th ring. Even Pat Beverly said LBJ said we playing so that's what i'm doing and you know he going smack the shit out of LBJ first game they play |
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Post by sfvega on Jun 16, 2020 20:05:05 GMT -5
I remember in the Ricky Williams 30 for 30, LeBatard said something to the effect of 95% of what Ricky says is some of the most enlightened things he's heard and 5% of what Ricky says makes him think Ricky sits in a tinfoil hat in his house so aliens don't read his mind. Kyrie's numbers are the inverse of that. Also hilarious that this dude went to Duke. Very good minds get rejected from Duke every year, but this dude gets to babble his nonsense and probably piss off most of the alumni on a regular basis. The problem is this man doesn't stop. Like I get what you were trying to say before without going into it since we can't but THIS, nah bruh let's scale that back 200 steps He's probably going to say the line I hate the most next about "feeling like slaves" when Draymond said that a few years ago. Y'all not starting another league and i'm pretty sure LeBron like this man about to f*** up my 4th ring. Even Pat Beverly said LBJ said we playing so that's what i'm doing and you know he going smack the shit out of LBJ first game they play It doesn't make sense at all. This system works for the players more than any other sports league. They're heard, they're catered to. Which is not to say that they're entitled, but that their wants actually have an impact versus other sports players or unions. They were the league that put Sterling out, they were the league that was free to talk about social change without repercussions, they're the league who keeps pushing for bigger money while getting more rest, they've got a commissioner who actually listens to them and is the gold standard of sports leadership. You have Jordan as an owner. LBJ could be an owner in the future if he were so inclined. Durant could be a minority owner in a team as well. Why would you want to put in all the work of replicating all of what the NBA has done right the last 40 years just to get a slightly better deal? Everyone is making out like kings rn. Getting leadership, getting TV rights, producing TV, getting arenas, dealing with ref controversies, dealing with controversies in the public, labor talks when you're now the "bad guy", etc etc. Kyrie, like with anything in his life, thought this through all the way from his brain to his mouth and not a second before. Look at where The Big 3 is. Not talent-wise, but from an operational standpoint. And look at how far they have to go to the NBA. Any new league, even with all of the NBA players money and star power and connections, would be 10/15 years at the bare minimum behind the NBA operationally. It would be a gigantic undertaking. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2020 20:15:32 GMT -5
The problem is this man doesn't stop. Like I get what you were trying to say before without going into it since we can't but THIS, nah bruh let's scale that back 200 steps He's probably going to say the line I hate the most next about "feeling like slaves" when Draymond said that a few years ago. Y'all not starting another league and i'm pretty sure LeBron like this man about to f*** up my 4th ring. Even Pat Beverly said LBJ said we playing so that's what i'm doing and you know he going smack the shit out of LBJ first game they play It doesn't make sense at all. This system works for the players more than any other sports league. They're heard, they're catered to. Which is not to say that they're entitled, but that their wants actually have an impact versus other sports players or unions. They were the league that put Sterling out, they were the league that was free to talk about social change without repercussions, they're the league who keeps pushing for bigger money while getting more rest, they've got a commissioner who actually listens to them and is the gold standard of sports leadership. You have Jordan as an owner. LBJ could be an owner in the future if he were so inclined. Durant could be a minority owner in a team as well. Why would you want to put in all the work of replicating all of what the NBA has done right the last 40 years just to get a slightly better deal? Everyone is making out like kings rn. Getting leadership, getting TV rights, producing TV, getting arenas, dealing with ref controversies, dealing with controversies in the public, labor talks when you're now the "bad guy", etc etc. Kyrie, like with anything in his life, thought this through all the way from his brain to his mouth and not a second before. Look at where The Big 3 is. Not talent-wise, but from an operational standpoint. And look at how far they have to go to the NBA. Any new league, even with all of the NBA players money and star power and connections, would be 10/15 years at the bare minimum behind the NBA operationally. It would be a gigantic undertaking. Yea, it just doesn't make sense. I was hearing him in the other sense but I didn't really agree but the quotes that keeps getting attributed to him doesn't make sense. He said only 20 players in the league gets paid and he wants to change that. How? Who? You literally negotiated a supermax for star players in your last CBA. If you are a halfway decent player you get paid. Tim Hardaway Jr has made more in that contract from the Knicks then his father made in his whole career. I'm all for worrying about role players right now but it seems like he is bringing up points that maybe 1% of the league agrees with The owners and players have had their trouble but since the new NBPA director took over and Silver took over for Stern, we have had nowhere near as much animosity as their was during the lockout season. I think this is a bit of entitlement. You are a millionaire, not a billionaire. Everyone in the league is making money from the owners to even the 15th man on the bench. Even the G League is starting to become a viable option and make a decent wage. The NBA is growing every year and they are in the best spot they have been in in terms of good vibes in a long time so these complaints feel like they are from left |
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Post by sfvega on Jun 16, 2020 20:32:03 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense at all. This system works for the players more than any other sports league. They're heard, they're catered to. Which is not to say that they're entitled, but that their wants actually have an impact versus other sports players or unions. They were the league that put Sterling out, they were the league that was free to talk about social change without repercussions, they're the league who keeps pushing for bigger money while getting more rest, they've got a commissioner who actually listens to them and is the gold standard of sports leadership. You have Jordan as an owner. LBJ could be an owner in the future if he were so inclined. Durant could be a minority owner in a team as well. Why would you want to put in all the work of replicating all of what the NBA has done right the last 40 years just to get a slightly better deal? Everyone is making out like kings rn. Getting leadership, getting TV rights, producing TV, getting arenas, dealing with ref controversies, dealing with controversies in the public, labor talks when you're now the "bad guy", etc etc. Kyrie, like with anything in his life, thought this through all the way from his brain to his mouth and not a second before. Look at where The Big 3 is. Not talent-wise, but from an operational standpoint. And look at how far they have to go to the NBA. Any new league, even with all of the NBA players money and star power and connections, would be 10/15 years at the bare minimum behind the NBA operationally. It would be a gigantic undertaking. Yea, it just doesn't make sense. I was hearing him in the other sense but I didn't really agree but the quotes that keeps getting attributed to him doesn't make sense. He said only 20 players in the league gets paid and he wants to change that. How? Who? You literally negotiated a supermax for star players in your last CBA. If you are a halfway decent player you get paid. Tim Hardaway Jr has made more in that contract from the Knicks then his father made in his whole career. I'm all for worrying about role players right now but it seems like he is bringing up points that maybe 1% of the league agrees with The owners and players have had their trouble but since the new NBPA director took over and Silver took over for Stern, we have had nowhere near as much animosity as their was during the lockout season. I think this is a bit of entitlement. You are a millionaire, not a billionaire. Everyone in the league is making money from the owners to even the 15th man on the bench. Even the G League is starting to become a viable option and make a decent wage. The NBA is growing every year and they are in the best spot they have been in in terms of good vibes in a long time so these complaints feel like they are from left Kyrie is entitled, but I think most players understand they're in a good spot. Which is why Silver and most of the stars are usually in lockstep. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:05:09 GMT -5
The NBA caters to its players more than any other sports league on earth. If a player in the NFL wanted to start his own league, then that would be fair. NFL players routinely get bent over. But NBA players? Adam Silver genuflects in front of the players. They're in a great spot.
Kyrie seems like he's a real life Oswald Bates from In Living Color. A conversation with him would probably have a lot of big words and philosophy.
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