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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jun 26, 2019 21:18:56 GMT -5
The biggest problem with WWE's TV for me is the absolute batshit writing. Not only is it this boring malaise of nothingness, but it's one that makes no sense either. It's all the negative qualities of TNA like 9-10 years ago but even less watchable.
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Post by eJm on Jun 26, 2019 21:42:27 GMT -5
The biggest problem with WWE's TV for me is the absolute batshit writing. Not only is it this boring malaise of nothingness, but it's one that makes no sense either. It's all the negative qualities of TNA like 9-10 years ago but even less watchable. Say what you want about Impact but at least they tried to explain how Immortal came to be and Bully Ray being president of Aces and Eights. The explanations were full of holes, swerves for the sake of it and took up way too much TV time but at least they made an attempt at it!
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 26, 2019 22:46:10 GMT -5
I blame WWE's open contempt for its very existence. You have...(suppressing my inner Cornette to the point of pain here) Kevin Dunn basically dictating the death of wrestling's tropes and lexicon as far as possible. There is no acknowledgement of the rules of pro wrestling - certainly no regard for them and no real enforcement; I'm not sure there's anyone left in WWE who actually knows the rules. The championships have come to mean absolutely nothing and their holders are a bunch of chumps. There is a family of owners running the company into the ground and managing to insert themselves into feuds and matches, but somehow incapable of putting together a show that people want to see. There is no sense of fairness, no foundation of fair play, no lasting hope that we'll get a satisfactory outcome. The last GoT episode at least made sense in that world - getting the Dothraki and Unsullied off what was left of Westerosi soil required that Jon Snow be publicly punishing for killing Danaerys. WWE keeps subverting and perverting our expectations to the point at which we probably should have walked away years ago.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 26, 2019 23:00:31 GMT -5
WWE is by and large a show without any sort of narrative consequence. Who cares if someone loses a match, 99 times out of 100 it means absolutely nothing. Then the 1 time it does, it's usually retconned a month later. How can you get invested in 5 hours of content each week that doesn't have any sort of genuine stakes presented?
Even if the writing is poor, if there's the illusion that things matter, it's easier to overlook bad writing when you at least care about the end results.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jun 26, 2019 23:14:44 GMT -5
A fix you say?...
I wanted the Anonymous Raw GM to end up being Jack Tunny inn AI form who knew how to compromise Vince with knowing his deepest darkest secrets enough to keep him at bay. The company is Jack's now. There would be wrestlers who sided with the AI and some who didn't. Feuds would go from there. Tunneybot wouldn't be as meddlesome as the McMahons. But the show would have more freedom to try new things and bring back older concepts that worked. It's like if Regals GM role was fully flushed out and crazier. The little things would matter. Like NXT would still be NXT, but it wouldn't be HHH's pet project. Tunneybot would have put HHH in that position to make him redeem himself of his wrongdoings.
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Post by segaz on Jun 26, 2019 23:56:40 GMT -5
People say this, but often I hear calls to just make a simple basic storyline and let the characters/wrestlers, the in ring product and the announcing captivate the viewer.
Good storyline is important, but is it the MOST important? Can you get by with ok stories if everything else is great?
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Post by schma on Jun 27, 2019 0:18:00 GMT -5
I think narrative is huge. It's not the be all and end all but it makes a difference. Becky and Charlotte's feud when it was in high gear before it became a dead horse they were flogging had me more invested in wrestling than I have been in years. I was paying more attention, I was watching more PPVs, it had drawn me in and as a result I was also engaging with other aspects of the product. Eventually that all went off the rails as so many things did post-mania and at this point it's almost a chore just to look at highlights from Raw and Smackdown which takes all of a few minutes plus maybe some short video clips.
The narrative is why so many of us are here and stay here. When people talk about the Mega Powers imploding, Mick Foley winning his first WWE title, and other huge moments that are the culmination of a story, whether personal or scripted, that's why we're here. The best matches are said to tell a great story and I think that's true. It goes beyond technical proficiency and many of the best matches invoke the story leading up to them and that is often what sets it apart from a couple of guys just having a decent match.
Narrative is a huge part of the pie when it comes down to it and if the narrative was good enough, I think a lot of us could forgive many of WWE's flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 0:23:19 GMT -5
People say this, but often I hear calls to just make a simple basic storyline and let the characters/wrestlers, the in ring product and the announcing captivate the viewer. Good storyline is important, but is it the MOST important? Can you get by with ok stories if everything else is great? That in a nutshell is what WWE is right now. no complexity to anything they do all while the in ring product is more often than not heaped endless praise as the best it has ever been in WWE....and they get by. And the concenous is...the product is boring , uninteresting , stale etc. WWE is a TV show...stories and characters are always going to be the most important , I said it earlier story and character are the core of any television show and without them you have nothing.
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Post by michael on Jun 27, 2019 1:53:18 GMT -5
the best matches invoke the story leading up to them I think this is a great point, and the fact it's being neglected is making me feel so disinterested in matches themselves. The 'filling' of most matches is interchangable, and it shouldn't be. It's just a diminishing return of moves back and forth with little rhyme or reason. I feel like the bell rings and I start to zone out until the last minute of action, because I'll have missed absolutely nothing that matters to the overall story being told within the match.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jun 28, 2019 12:45:01 GMT -5
The only real fix creatively, would be to go back in time, but the audiences of today aren't gonna put up with that. And I'm not just talking about jobber matches.
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