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King Koopa
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Post by 67 more on Jun 27, 2019 0:51:21 GMT -5
I've always given the Manhattan drop a pass as you drop the opponent on to the knee, rather than moving your knee up into the opponent. Same logic as crotching your opponent on the turnbuckle or the top rope.
However, never accepted Jeff Hardy's double legdrop to the groin. If wrestlers sold it as feet to the gut, I'd allow it. If Jeff delivered it in a way that split the legs apart and that hurt the groin, similar to a wishbone leg splitter, where it's not the direct contact but the overextension of the legs that hurt the groin muscles, I'd accept that. But it's always sold as a direct shot to the nuts.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 27, 2019 1:17:10 GMT -5
The poison mist has been given a lot of leeway over the years. It's very much illegal and grounds for a DQ if the ref sees it, but a lot of guys with suspicious green liquid in their faces have had their shoulders counted down.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 27, 2019 2:30:36 GMT -5
The poison mist has been given a lot of leeway over the years. It's very much illegal and grounds for a DQ if the ref sees it, but a lot of guys with suspicious green liquid in their faces have had their shoulders counted down. Refs tend to approach things from a "I didn't see it, so whatever" point of view, which is a little weird, given the whole "playing possum" trick with leaving a chair or other foreign object in the ring and pretending you got hit with it. Definitely not consistent. Something that surprises me is that I've never seen or heard of anyone using red mist to cheat in a First Blood match to fool the ref. That seems like it'd be a clever cheap finish.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 27, 2019 2:46:16 GMT -5
The poison mist has been given a lot of leeway over the years. It's very much illegal and grounds for a DQ if the ref sees it, but a lot of guys with suspicious green liquid in their faces have had their shoulders counted down. Refs tend to approach things from a "I didn't see it, so whatever" point of view, which is a little weird, given the whole "playing possum" trick with leaving a chair or other foreign object in the ring and pretending you got hit with it. Definitely not consistent. Something that surprises me is that I've never seen or heard of anyone using red mist to cheat in a First Blood match to fool the ref. That seems like it'd be a clever cheap finish. Hernandez did something like this to Matt Morgan at Victory Road 2011, squirting Morgan with fake blood to win a First Blood match. It was really dumb because Hernandez was very much bleeding for real, and Morgan clearly was not.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 27, 2019 3:44:13 GMT -5
As far as the atomic drop goes, in theory, it has the wrestler connecting with the tailbone, not the nuts. If some of the more gifted do a tuck-under, that's their problem. Poor, poor Scorpio.
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Brood Lone Wolf Funker
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jun 27, 2019 11:24:55 GMT -5
Didn't Rock used to lift his opponent's legs up and then just straight up punch them in the groin right in front of the ref? Or was it a "shot to the midsection?" Sorta like Jeff Hardys leg drop
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 27, 2019 11:39:56 GMT -5
It’s not a choke once the chokeslam is completed though so what grounds would the referee have to refuse the pin It's basically a choke that breaks well before the five count, therefore it is not a DQ. Just like a single punch isn't a DQ either (going by old school rules) however, the ref would not count a fall after an illegal blow. The person is being choked the entire time the move is applied until he is thrown down to the mat, so the opponent gained an illegal advantage allowing him to perform the maneuver in the first place. I've read that back twice now and it is far and away the most ridiculously nerdy thing I've written in quite a while. Edit - Here's an oldy I just thought of as well. I remember JR saying back in the day you could kick with the flat of your foot but not the point or the top. For a while Randy Orton used the punt to the skull as a regular finisher. Set aside the fact that for a year or so anyone who took the move as a post-match angle went on a minimum month-long hiatus, I can't see how a running soccer kick to a downed opponent isn't an automatic DQ and multiple month suspension on top of that. The Choke slam, the chock itself has little to do with the effect anyway since it a below 5 second choke as it is. The impact from the slam itself is what really effects it and of course broken at time of pin. The fact the move is done by a near 7'0 foot or higher. How comparing that to what heel Andre was doing. Andre would lost every match because 90% of what he did was choke. Same with Giant Gonzales
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Jun 27, 2019 18:13:28 GMT -5
Didn't Rock used to lift his opponent's legs up and then just straight up punch them in the groin right in front of the ref? Or was it a "shot to the midsection?" I always thought he would do it when either the ref wasn't looking or he would personally push the ref away. For sure he did that to Stone Cold and Goldberg
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Jun 28, 2019 7:40:58 GMT -5
Not sure about it being common but Umanga’s thumb to the throat is attempted murder basically.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 29, 2019 22:23:35 GMT -5
When Kane did that "Embrace the Hate" stuff with Cena and Ryder, he briefly used a "face claw", which was essentially a smother of the nose and mouth. Definitely not a legal move.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 29, 2019 22:33:25 GMT -5
You can argue for Jeff's legdrop and the atomic drop but the Dudley Boyz headbutt was literally aimed at the balls
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Jun 30, 2019 0:04:11 GMT -5
As was Goldust's Shattered Dreams, and that move where Hardcore Holly would drape them face down over the top rope while holding them up by their ankles and then kick upwards.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 30, 2019 9:55:00 GMT -5
With the Wazzzup and the Shattered Dreams, to my recollection, the Dudley Boyz and Goldust rarely, if ever, did those while the ref was looking. So they knew it was illegal, just did it when they couldn't get disqualified for it. Plus, a few times I've seen Goldust do the Shattered Dreams, he kicked the turnbuckle pad up into the opponent's groin, so maybe that counts similar to getting crotched on the ropes; since the actual wrestler didn't make contact with the groin, it's not entirely illegal. That's just me spitballing though.
For Hardcore Holly, I believe the implication is that he's supposed to be kicking them in the midsection rather than the groin. Though, that does then go into the "toe kicks are illegal" point...
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