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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 29, 2019 15:05:28 GMT -5
This seems to go beyond just an interpromotional rivalry.
I mean the fact that CMLL talents or talents from companies affiliated with CMLL are not allowed to work matches against AAA talent is something I've never seen before.
Not to mention how often one company blames the other for plans falling through.
What's the story here?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 29, 2019 15:10:14 GMT -5
CMLL is traditional Lucha while AAA is more Americanized. AAA broke off in the mid nineties with the carnies Roldán family to run opposition to CMLL.
When in doubt always blame the Roldán family when everything goes to shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 15:28:53 GMT -5
I mean the fact that CMLL talents or talents from companies affiliated with CMLL are not allowed to work matches against AAA talent is something I've never seen before. You've never seen that before? Are wrestlers from, say, MLW and ROH allowed to work matches against wrestlers in WWE? |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 29, 2019 15:56:24 GMT -5
I mean the fact that CMLL talents or talents from companies affiliated with CMLL are not allowed to work matches against AAA talent is something I've never seen before. You've never seen that before? Are wrestlers from, say, MLW and ROH allowed to work matches against wrestlers in WWE? That's a bit different given that WWE's roster is 99% exclusive. Aside from the UK guys and the occasional NXT guy, there's no real possibility of that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 15:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 29, 2019 16:05:45 GMT -5
You've never seen that before? Are wrestlers from, say, MLW and ROH allowed to work matches against wrestlers in WWE? That's a bit different given that WWE's roster is 99% exclusive. Aside from the UK guys and the occasional NXT guy, there's no real possibility of that happening. If you see AAA and CMLL as indies, yeah, I can see it being odd, considering the amount of shared talent out there. But CMLL and AAA is the WWE and WCW of Mexico. They're the two biggest promotions, they do the biggest business, if you say Lucha Libre, you think of either or both. And also, the lucha libre business is rather scummy and actually taken very seriously, almost more so that wrestling was back in the 70s and 80s. That goes a long way to describe why they're very standoffish with each other. You've had guys who have left and their gimmicks were immediately given to other people, usually without even a name change (Psychosis, La Parka, Mistico immediately come to mind.) It's very cutthroat, sometimes almost literally. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 30, 2019 3:20:29 GMT -5
They're very fiercely competitive with one another. The main reason they wouldn't interact is because both sides would be very wary of their talent being presented inferior to the other.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 30, 2019 4:08:38 GMT -5
The closest analogy I can think of is if WWF and WCW managed to coexist for decades by settling into slightly different niches with less overlap, but without the animosity between them ever cooling off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 11:10:27 GMT -5
You've never seen that before? Are wrestlers from, say, MLW and ROH allowed to work matches against wrestlers in WWE? That's a bit different given that WWE's roster is 99% exclusive. Aside from the UK guys and the occasional NXT guy, there's no real possibility of that happening. Same thing. They're major rival companies. CMLL and AAA aren't small time promotions. |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 30, 2019 21:54:10 GMT -5
That's a bit different given that WWE's roster is 99% exclusive. Aside from the UK guys and the occasional NXT guy, there's no real possibility of that happening. If you see AAA and CMLL as indies, yeah, I can see it being odd, considering the amount of shared talent out there. But CMLL and AAA is the WWE and WCW of Mexico. They're the two biggest promotions, they do the biggest business, if you say Lucha Libre, you think of either or both. And also, the lucha libre business is rather scummy and actually taken very seriously, almost more so that wrestling was back in the 70s and 80s. That goes a long way to describe why they're very standoffish with each other. You've had guys who have left and their gimmicks were immediately given to other people, usually without even a name change (Psychosis, La Parka, Mistico immediately come to mind.) It's very cutthroat, sometimes almost literally. Where did I ever say I thought of them as indies? I can't even think of anything I said that could imply that. What I'm saying is that it's not uncommon to see AAA and even CMLL guys taking indy bookings. The contracts are handled totally differently. Hell in ECW there was technically a WWF Vs. WCW match between Taz and Mike Awesome, which means that even in the context of this analogy, yes this is a rare policy. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 30, 2019 22:11:17 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that it's not uncommon to see AAA and even CMLL guys taking indy bookings. The contracts are handled totally differently. I remember a lot of discussion about how this is handled in Mexico coming up in the wake of Lucha Underground. IIRC, aside from some top names who can negotiate their own deals, most of these bookings are still done through AAA/CMLL; the local promoter contacts and pays the company for the use of its talent. That's why CMLL and AAA are able to pull their wrestlers from a show if talent from the other one is also going to be featured. Guys like Penta and Fenix quit AAA over this, and only came back when they were offered more lenient deals, because they were getting high profile international offers and still had AAA trying to play the middle man and take a cut out of their bookings. |
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Post by Cyno on Jun 30, 2019 22:16:58 GMT -5
Basically, imagine the WWF and WCW rivalry at its most vindictive and multiply that by a factor of 10 (at least) and mix in some really scummy elements (even by wrestling standards). And that's the rivalry between AAA and CMLL in a nutshell.
Lucha libre in Mexico is also more than just pro wrestling in the US. In the US, wrestling is just considered lowest common denominator entertainment. But lucha libre is a cultural institution in Mexico. It's a tradition taken very seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 22:22:49 GMT -5
I have heard some real horror stories about wrestlers from rival companies being take out to the border towns to be left stranded for the cartels.
Scummyness lucha libre makes the poliitics of american wrestling look like an absoloute joy ride by comparison.
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