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Post by nickcave on Jul 16, 2019 16:28:31 GMT -5
At this point I'm going to have to go with Lesnar because at least Triple H's ended with him creating a new star in Batista. I also like how they both improbably have a brief Goldberg title run that breaks up their reigns.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jul 16, 2019 16:36:29 GMT -5
Both involve awful boring promos (from Heyman not Brock) but I think I'd rather watch Lesnar wrestle over Tri at least.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 16, 2019 16:38:08 GMT -5
Oh dude, not even close. HHH almost killed my fandom of wrestling since I was barely aware of alternatives at the time and had access to none of them.
Brock as champ isn’t the main reason I’m put off by WWE but at the least with all that stuff, I can watch other stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 16:38:19 GMT -5
Lesnar. I'd rather have a year long Jinder Mahal reign than watch another minute of Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 16:38:23 GMT -5
I guess HHH's. Yeah, Heyman's promos are garbage, but every now and then Brock will at least have a good match.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 16, 2019 16:49:25 GMT -5
HHH for me, Brock doesn't bother me really.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 16, 2019 16:55:05 GMT -5
I think Triple H's actual reign of terror is worse than Brock's, but WWE was a lot more watchable overall then than it is now.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 16, 2019 16:59:00 GMT -5
Triple H and Brock are heels. They work with that. They had decent matches. Triple H was at least around every week. While both reigns got and are pretty dull and nonsensical, there's a better answer:
John f***ing Cena.
He beat a lot of people he shouldn't have. His matches weren't anything spectacular. He was never an underdog. He always overcame the odds. And he was booed mercilessly as a face. But WWE never changed course, and he would never show weakness or be without the belt for more than a few weeks or so.
Triple H at least had lackeys and cheated to win. Brock uses his freak physique to dominate people. But Cena was just painfully boring. He was there every week, but getting booed loudly and grinning like an idiot and dismissing anything his opponents did to him.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jul 16, 2019 16:59:19 GMT -5
Lesnar. I wouldn’t mind Lesnar s reign so much if he was a full timer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:01:47 GMT -5
Lesnar, I've got some facts to back it up too.
- Since Lesnar beat Cena for the WWE Title in 2014 he's held both that and the Universal Title for 886 days total. That's a full 2 years and 5 months as him being champion. Triple H on the other hand during his reign held his for 616 days total, still a wild long time but not near Lesnar's amount.
- Lesnar doesn't put people over. He beats them and then they go back to doing shit. He doesn't make himself look weak either. At most we get is Lesnar being off his balance in a segment. Lesnar makes his opponents look like they're nothing compared to him. Triple H on the other hand made most of his opponents look good. He needed goons to beat his opponents down most times as any time they linked up as single's stars Triple H got his ass kicked. He always talked big but he made sure to show the damage his opponent placed on him by showing up with a bandage on his forehead, limping and f***ed up the night after unlike Lesnar. Triple H also made himself look silly multiple times purely to hype his opponent up, Lesnar doesn't do that.
- Lesnar either loses by cash-ins or his opponents being OP like hell(Goldberg and Reigns). Triple H on the other hand lost to guys like HBK, Benoit and Batista. Triple H lost non-title feuds a good amount too like against Kane while Lesnar doesn't lose those matches.
- Lesnar makes anyone who faces him go down the card after they lose and they're back to the drawing board. With Triple H guys did other things such as Booker T (going to the IC Title), HBK (Jericho feud) and Goldberg (Lesnar). Anyone who faces Brock ends up in different areas. Like, after guys faced Triple H they still felt like themselves the next night, sure you were pissed but they were themselves. With Lesnar? You remember the shit Ambrose had to go through after that match? You remember Strowman after the Lesnar matches? You remember these guys? Yeah, different story.
- Lesnar ruins the entire main event scene power level-wise. Dude's so OP that anyone cleanly beating him is a joke unless they're broken as well. With Triple H that's not the case as anytime he faced opponents the story was that they could beat his ass but his goons helped him win. Lesnar isn't about that.
- Lesnar never shows up with the title. He's away most times so you'd forget he's champion. Triple H had long promo segments but the guy made that belt look like the most important thing on the show rather than a sidepiece.
- Lesnar being champion was either due to Roman's coronation or because they didn't have anyone else to be champion. Triple H was champion because they felt he was legit the best person on the show. Regardless how right they were there's a difference between someone being made to be The Guy and a guy basically being Vacant who has title matches.
- Lesnar's matches are boring. You never think anyone's going to beat Lesnar unless they cheat. Say put Lesnar against Slater, there's no chance of Slater winning. With Triple H's matches there was always a chance of someone legit beating him. Say you put Triple H against Slater now. Guaranteed Slater would have him on the ropes for a bit. That's how it was.
Overall, Lesnar's Reign of Terror was way worse. Brock's trash and he has more negatives than positives. This isn't even about how I feel about both guys but how they impact the main event scene.
Lesnar's got this shit beaten. Absolutely.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 16, 2019 17:05:03 GMT -5
Lesnar, I've got some facts to back it up too. - Since Lesnar beat Cena for the WWE Title in 2014 he's held both that and the Universal Title for 886 days total. That's a full 2 years and 5 months as him being champion. Triple H on the other hand during his reign held his for 616 days total, still a wild long time but not near Lesnar's amount. - Lesnar doesn't put people over. He beats them and then they go back to doing shit. He doesn't make himself look weak either. At most we get is Lesnar being off his balance in a segment. Lesnar makes his opponents look like they're nothing compared to him. Triple H on the other hand made most of his opponents look good. He needed goons to beat his opponents down most times as any time they linked up as single's stars Triple H got his ass kicked. He always talked big but he made sure to show the damage his opponent placed on him by showing up with a bandage on his forehead, limping and f***ed up the night after unlike Lesnar. Triple H also made himself look silly multiple times purely to hype his opponent up, Lesnar doesn't do that. - Lesnar either loses by cash-ins or his opponents being OP like hell(Goldberg and Reigns). Triple H on the other hand lost to guys like HBK, Benoit and Batista. Triple H lost non-title feuds a good amount too like against Kane while Lesnar doesn't lose those matches. - Lesnar makes anyone who faces him go down the card after they lose and they're back to the drawing board. With Triple H guys did other things such as Booker T (going to the IC Title), HBK (Jericho feud) and Goldberg (Lesnar). Anyone who faces Brock ends up in different areas. Like, after guys faced Triple H they still felt like themselves the next night, sure you were pissed but they were themselves. With Lesnar? You remember the shit Ambrose had to go through after that match? You remember Strowman after the Lesnar matches? You remember these guys? Yeah, different story. - Lesnar ruins the entire main event scene power level-wise. Dude's so OP that anyone cleanly beating him is a joke unless they're broken as well. With Triple H that's not the case as anytime he faced opponents the story was that they could beat his ass but his goons helped him win. Lesnar isn't about that. - Lesnar never shows up with the title. He's away most times so you'd forget he's champion. Triple H had long promo segments but the guy made that belt look like the most important thing on the show rather than a sidepiece. - Lesnar being champion was either due to Roman's coronation or because they didn't have anyone else to be champion. Triple H was champion because they felt he was legit the best person on the show. Regardless how right they were there's a difference between someone being made to be The Guy and a guy basically being Vacant who has title matches. - Lesnar's matches are boring. You never think anyone's going to beat Lesnar unless they cheat. Say put Lesnar against Slater, there's no chance of Slater winning. With Triple H's matches there was always a chance of someone legit beating him. Say you put Triple H against Slater now. Guaranteed Slater would have him on the ropes for a bit. That's how it was. Overall, Lesnar's Reign of Terror was way worse. Brock's trash and he has more negatives than positives. This isn't even about how I feel about both guys but how they impact the main event scene. Lesnar's got this shit beaten. Absolutely. Very well done. HHH's reign was really bad, but at least defended the thing all the time and actually put people over
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Jul 16, 2019 17:07:09 GMT -5
Triple H's reign will have all other boring heel reigns beat until the end of time. Lesnar's not even had the worst title reign this decade.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 16, 2019 17:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 16, 2019 17:14:30 GMT -5
No, sorry, I’m not quoting the whole thing but there is zero defense for HHH’s 20 minute promos on every f***ing show where he said the same f***ing thing and most of the time was never interrupted by anyone.
I don’t care if it made the belt important, why? Because he did that shit when he WASN’T champion. The show ALWAYS revolved him regardless of what was going on. Brock has one segment at the very least.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 16, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -5
Lesnar is working with what is given to him, HHH was booking himself.
So HHH was worse
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:24:56 GMT -5
Lesnar, I've got some facts to back it up too. - Since Lesnar beat Cena for the WWE Title in 2014 he's held both that and the Universal Title for 886 days total. That's a full 2 years and 5 months as him being champion. Triple H on the other hand during his reign held his for 616 days total, still a wild long time but not near Lesnar's amount. - Lesnar doesn't put people over. He beats them and then they go back to doing shit. He doesn't make himself look weak either. At most we get is Lesnar being off his balance in a segment. Lesnar makes his opponents look like they're nothing compared to him. Triple H on the other hand made most of his opponents look good. He needed goons to beat his opponents down most times as any time they linked up as single's stars Triple H got his ass kicked. He always talked big but he made sure to show the damage his opponent placed on him by showing up with a bandage on his forehead, limping and f***ed up the night after unlike Lesnar. Triple H also made himself look silly multiple times purely to hype his opponent up, Lesnar doesn't do that. - Lesnar either loses by cash-ins or his opponents being OP like hell(Goldberg and Reigns). Triple H on the other hand lost to guys like HBK, Benoit and Batista. Triple H lost non-title feuds a good amount too like against Kane while Lesnar doesn't lose those matches. - Lesnar makes anyone who faces him go down the card after they lose and they're back to the drawing board. With Triple H guys did other things such as Booker T (going to the IC Title), HBK (Jericho feud) and Goldberg (Lesnar). Anyone who faces Brock ends up in different areas. Like, after guys faced Triple H they still felt like themselves the next night, sure you were pissed but they were themselves. With Lesnar? You remember the shit Ambrose had to go through after that match? You remember Strowman after the Lesnar matches? You remember these guys? Yeah, different story. - Lesnar ruins the entire main event scene power level-wise. Dude's so OP that anyone cleanly beating him is a joke unless they're broken as well. With Triple H that's not the case as anytime he faced opponents the story was that they could beat his ass but his goons helped him win. Lesnar isn't about that. - Lesnar never shows up with the title. He's away most times so you'd forget he's champion. Triple H had long promo segments but the guy made that belt look like the most important thing on the show rather than a sidepiece. - Lesnar being champion was either due to Roman's coronation or because they didn't have anyone else to be champion. Triple H was champion because they felt he was legit the best person on the show. Regardless how right they were there's a difference between someone being made to be The Guy and a guy basically being Vacant who has title matches. - Lesnar's matches are boring. You never think anyone's going to beat Lesnar unless they cheat. Say put Lesnar against Slater, there's no chance of Slater winning. With Triple H's matches there was always a chance of someone legit beating him. Say you put Triple H against Slater now. Guaranteed Slater would have him on the ropes for a bit. That's how it was. Overall, Lesnar's Reign of Terror was way worse. Brock's trash and he has more negatives than positives. This isn't even about how I feel about both guys but how they impact the main event scene. Lesnar's got this shit beaten. Absolutely. Very well done. HHH's reign was really bad, but at least defended the thing all the time and actually put people over Yeah it's crazy. I mean it is what it is. I mean we're going on 5 years as Brock being like this when Triple H using the same time span wouldn't even be champion now, it would be Edge. Facts are facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:25:19 GMT -5
Brock because he’s not showing up.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 16, 2019 17:33:46 GMT -5
What about a third option?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:43:34 GMT -5
HHH by f***ing far
for the simple fact EVERYTHING revolved around him...the opening and closing to every single show was about him and he would always open with the same damn 20min promo and everytime he would lose he would get the belt right back killing pushes left right and dead centre and even when he lost the title...the damn show was still all about him with that weekly 20min promo.
Brock is more of an occasional annoyance than anything.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 16, 2019 18:02:07 GMT -5
Everyone saying Brock is either too young to remember the H reign or suffering from nostalgia.
Dude squashed potential big face runs and star making wins for some of my all-time favorites.
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