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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 18, 2019 19:45:14 GMT -5
They did and brought Phantasm into the animated universe officially...I mean mask of the phantasm was... but it seemed like a completely unconnected thing for the most part. I remember doing kind of a double take when I was watching that episode and saw the Phantasm, just because the movie probably makes more sense if you take it as unconnected to the show. It changes the Jokers origin while also changes some of Bruce motivation It is not a bad connection but it is one of those things where if they wanted this to be fully connected from the beginning, they def would have made a straighter path
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 18, 2019 19:56:25 GMT -5
I feel like New Adventures, while definitely a step down, isn't really enough of one that I'm willing to call it bad. There are some rough episodes in there - like top of my head, You Scratch My Back and Joker's Millions, those episodes suck - but Mean Seasons, Over the Edge, Ultimate Trill, Girls' Night Out, Mad Love, and Legends of the Dark Knight are pretty genuinely great and most of the others are pretty watchable. Like, it probably is good it didn't continue for another season since bad habits were definitely forming and they were clearly running low on ideas, but if I'm watching through the show again I'm definitely going to watch some season 4. And to be fair I dunno how much to hold You Scratch My Back and Cult of the Cat against them because throughout the entirety of BtAS I don't think there's a single Catwoman-focused episode that's any good. They never seemed to have a clear concept of the character. Yeah, I am not calling it outright bad or anything, it just marked a directional shift I wasn't big on. Like, I feel like Bruce Wayne was a big casualty of that, and there was less and less distinction between him and Batman, which, I get that's a common thing for Batman adaptations, but it's fine and good being Vengeance, The Night, etc, but losing the compassion she showed Baby Doll or some of the other villains, outside of rarities like the Ace scene from late JLU, did make him less interesting to me. Some of the design changes were pretty terrible too. Joker losing like a of his clownness and eyes... catwoman being like Batman Returns years after the fact... also skin tone becoming pale... Riddler probably got hit the worst. Some like Penguin and Harley were lateral moves. Others like Scarecrow and Ivy both had good designs for both... and maybe got a bit of an upgrade
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 18, 2019 19:59:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not calling it outright bad or anything, it just marked a directional shift I wasn't big on. Like, I feel like Bruce Wayne was a big casualty of that, and there was less and less distinction between him and Batman, which, I get that's a common thing for Batman adaptations, but it's fine and good being Vengeance, The Night, etc, but losing the compassion she showed Baby Doll or some of the other villains, outside of rarities like the Ace scene from late JLU, did make him less interesting to me. Some of the design changes were pretty terrible too. Joker losing like a of his clownness and eyes... catwoman being like Batman Returns years after the fact... also skin tone becoming pale... Riddler probably got hit the worst. Some like Penguin and Harley were lateral moves. Others like Scarecrow and Ivy both had good designs for both... and maybe got a bit of an upgrade I think Mad Hatter got it even worse than Riddler, he ceased even looking human.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 20:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not calling it outright bad or anything, it just marked a directional shift I wasn't big on. Like, I feel like Bruce Wayne was a big casualty of that, and there was less and less distinction between him and Batman, which, I get that's a common thing for Batman adaptations, but it's fine and good being Vengeance, The Night, etc, but losing the compassion she showed Baby Doll or some of the other villains, outside of rarities like the Ace scene from late JLU, did make him less interesting to me. Some of the design changes were pretty terrible too. Joker losing like a of his clownness and eyes... catwoman being like Batman Returns years after the fact... also skin tone becoming pale... Riddler probably got hit the worst. Some like Penguin and Harley were lateral moves. Others like Scarecrow and Ivy both had good designs for both... and maybe got a bit of an upgrade Oh yeah, Riddler definitely got the worst of it. It doesn't help they were clearly out of ideas for the character because he never even actually does anything. Baby Doll also dropped pretty massively.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 18, 2019 20:13:18 GMT -5
I'll only tune in if Terry goes Super Saiyan 3 and the season is titled Batman: To Go Even Further Beyond
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 18, 2019 20:18:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not calling it outright bad or anything, it just marked a directional shift I wasn't big on. Like, I feel like Bruce Wayne was a big casualty of that, and there was less and less distinction between him and Batman, which, I get that's a common thing for Batman adaptations, but it's fine and good being Vengeance, The Night, etc, but losing the compassion she showed Baby Doll or some of the other villains, outside of rarities like the Ace scene from late JLU, did make him less interesting to me. Some of the design changes were pretty terrible too. Joker losing like a of his clownness and eyes... catwoman being like Batman Returns years after the fact... also skin tone becoming pale... Riddler probably got hit the worst. Some like Penguin and Harley were lateral moves. Others like Scarecrow and Ivy both had good designs for both... and maybe got a bit of an upgrade Scarecrow is def one of the more memorable designs I wonder if they ever decide to do another live action or animated adult themed batman show, would they lean more towards the scarier aspects of Scarecrow. Look wise between BTAS and Arkham Knight could work
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 18, 2019 20:25:45 GMT -5
Some of the design changes were pretty terrible too. Joker losing like a of his clownness and eyes... catwoman being like Batman Returns years after the fact... also skin tone becoming pale... Riddler probably got hit the worst. Some like Penguin and Harley were lateral moves. Others like Scarecrow and Ivy both had good designs for both... and maybe got a bit of an upgrade I think Mad Hatter got it even worse than Riddler, he ceased even looking human. Hatter still had some interesting design details, like the Victorian coat... Riddler got a full green body suit with a ? On it... His mask removed and head shaved and they did something with his eyes so he looked more like a random hired goon and not the main villain
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 18, 2019 20:27:24 GMT -5
I think Mad Hatter got it even worse than Riddler, he ceased even looking human. Hatter still had some interesting design details, like the Victorian coat... Riddler got a full green body suit with a ? On it... His mask removed and head shaved and they did something with his eyes so he looked more like a random hired goon and not the main villain Yea, they did him bad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 20:28:39 GMT -5
I will say that I think Mad Hatter probably got it the worst as a character in terms of just getting gradually worse as the show went on. His first two episodes are fantastic, then Worry Men happens and he's pretty much already lost everything that made him interesting, then Animal Act is just stupid.
Say what you will about Decapitated Head Junko Enoshima Mr. Freeze, at least it's original and you can see how they got there from his initial depiction. Plus Batman Beyond gave Mr. Freeze a proper followup to end his story on anyway.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 18, 2019 20:29:25 GMT -5
Hatter still had some interesting design details, like the Victorian coat... Riddler got a full green body suit with a ? On it... His mask removed and head shaved and they did something with his eyes so he looked more like a random hired goon and not the main villain Yea, they did him bad Yeah, like, a domino mask, at least, or some red hair would have helped, but this looked bad.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 18, 2019 20:34:02 GMT -5
Yea, they did him bad Yeah, like, a domino mask, at least, or some red hair would have helped, but this looked bad. Yea, he just looks like a nameless goon. Nothing about his character design screams interesting or notable. I like what they did in the Arkham series and had his appearance keep getting disheveled as the years goes on.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 18, 2019 20:45:34 GMT -5
I say this as a huge Batman Beyond fan, but, no Bruce, just no. It's over, it's time to move on. I would've loved some more Batman Beyond episodes back in the day, but that was nearly twenty years ago. You're not gonna recapture the magic, you just aren't.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 18, 2019 21:46:44 GMT -5
TNBA Ventriloquist is much more...phallic.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 18, 2019 22:47:51 GMT -5
I don't want to see anything Bruce "Dick Grayson hater" Timm produces ever again.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 19, 2019 2:52:43 GMT -5
I'm real shaky on whether I'd trust Timm to do it or not. And, unless they came in with a clear cut vision of what they wanted to do for the season I'm unsure how much I'd really want or need it. Beyond had a bad habit of slipping into episodic formulas compared to how Superman and JL, and JLU evolved into having greater narratives and stories at work alongside the episodic stories.
I will say The New Adventures are probably the weakest of the series, if you count it separate from the original BTAS run like a lot of people do. It as a whole hasn't aged as gracefully as the others. Though I still think the JL and JLU continuations are some of Timm's team's best work. And, it's partially why I'm kind of eh on a new season of Beyond. Epilogue served as the perfect send off to the universe as a whole, for Batman (both of them), for Superman, for the JL, it all tied together pretty nicely.
The only thing from that universe I have a vague interest in still is the great Apocalypse event that led to Bruce quitting the JL, Dick f***ing off and by the sounds of it from what they said in the shows and have implied in interviews & commentary over the years a lot else. But even that I feel like has been built up for so long in fans' minds that no matter what you did you'd disappoint some sect of the fanbase that still exists.
I loved those shows, I still love those shows, they'll always have a special place in my heart. But time moves on and so should we.
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Post by thechase on Jul 19, 2019 4:31:26 GMT -5
I'd love to know what happened to Selina. My headcanon is that she and Bruce eventually get married when they're both very, very old (hate the idea Bruce only has Terry for company in "Epilouge" and has let the mission consume him)
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