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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 26, 2024 18:25:40 GMT -5
I won't lie, everything post-Endgame is such a mess, if they announced a hard reboot, I would not be outraged.
I don't believe the excuse "Disney made us do too many things and that's why the stories were bad". The stories were bad because you were on autopilot and huffing your own farts.
Also, not to turn this into an armchair booker with hindsight as an advantage... but...
Killing Black Widow and then putting out a movie set before she dies. What an insane decision to make. Either kill her and send her off or kill the guy that should've died in Ultron and move on with her.
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Post by eJm on Mar 26, 2024 18:28:15 GMT -5
I don't believe the excuse "Disney made us do too many things and that's why the stories were bad". The stories were bad because you were on autopilot and huffing your own farts. I mean, would it be that unbelievable? Especially since, like, everything successful eventually has to have executives meddle with it for no good reason. Hollywood has as much of those stories as future waitstaff arriving thinking they'll be movie stars. EDIT: Like, it's not a coincidence around the time Endgame ended, the biggest, marketable star in the MCU was Kevin Feige who was in all promotional material ever for future MCU projects.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 26, 2024 18:58:28 GMT -5
I mean, would it be that unbelievable? Especially since, like, everything successful eventually has to have executives meddle with it for no good reason. You just have to look at the sheer amount of content released. Phases 1-3 totalled around 46 hours of story, released over 11 years. Phase 4 alone totalled 54 hours, released over 16 months. Maintaining a consistently high level of quality over that many different productions over such a short space of time was never going to happen, especially when most of it only existed to push Disney+ subscriptions. I guarantee you if it had been an option Kevin Feige would have continued to ignore TV.
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Post by eJm on Mar 26, 2024 19:03:27 GMT -5
I mean, would it be that unbelievable? Especially since, like, everything successful eventually has to have executives meddle with it for no good reason. You just have to look at the sheer amount of content released. Phases 1-3 totalled around 46 hours of story, released over 11 years. Phase 4 alone totalled 54 hours, released over 16 months. Maintaining a consistently high level of quality over that many different productions over such a short space of time was never going to happen, especially when most of it only existed to push Disney+ subscriptions. I guarantee you if it had been an option Kevin Feige would have continued to ignore TV. Yeah, like, it all came off as Wall Street telling Bob Iger to get Disney into streaming and Bob, in turn, shoving money into Feige's hands to make more productions for Disney+ and movies because they want lines to go up ASAP. Heck, there's whole Variety/Hollywood Reporter exposes saying as much, they're just now figuring out what TV production is.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 26, 2024 19:23:29 GMT -5
Heck, there's whole Variety/Hollywood Reporter exposes saying as much, they're just now figuring out what TV production is. And that's absolutely the other big factor. While television production is becoming a little more like movies, trying to make these various shows as six-hour movie productions and then chopping them up into six parts in post was naïve and doomed to fail.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Mar 26, 2024 19:42:20 GMT -5
I fell off Marvel when it become too much like homework. I check in on a few things. I caught WandaVision, Season 1 of Loki, delved into Hawkeye cuz I'm a sucker for Hailee Steinfeld. Outside of Spider-Man they haven't reeled me in on anything since.
MCU taking a breath was smart but Sony's right there to drag them back under.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 26, 2024 19:42:52 GMT -5
I just wanna thank y'all for not tearing apart my Black Widow take, that was what I really cared about.
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Post by cosmo on Mar 26, 2024 19:45:25 GMT -5
I still stand my opinion that if it even needed to continue at all, the MCU should've taken a year or two off after Endgame.
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Post by uewfigfed on Mar 26, 2024 19:47:41 GMT -5
It’s a good thing that Deadpool 3 is the only release this year. Gotta right the ship
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 26, 2024 20:30:15 GMT -5
Man, it's so weird living through the decades of mostly bad comic adaptations and now we're to the point of over saturation of Great to Ok adaptations. Felt like another thing that bit them was trying to replicate the success of using under the radar heroes and basing films around them. Eternals was such a bad idea from the beginning, trying to take Ant Man out of its comfort zone. And then when they actually hit gold on a character that's obscure like Shang-Chi, they shelve him for years and never mention him again.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 26, 2024 20:55:05 GMT -5
I still stand my opinion that if it even needed to continue at all, the MCU should've taken a year or two off after Endgame. I think the biggest problem is, End Game was a fantastic movie and a great ending for the Infinity SAga... but it also left the MCU itself in shambles for how to continue.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 3, 2024 16:40:03 GMT -5
I'm sure the internet is going to be full of sane, rational reactions to this news.
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Post by Display Name on Apr 3, 2024 16:43:15 GMT -5
I mean, I’m not happy with it. Why swap genders for someone like Silver Surfer?
And yes, I know about Juno. Hopefully this is her and not the one we all know.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Apr 3, 2024 16:48:36 GMT -5
Maybe! My money's on more folks will be upset when this hits trailers and they dislike the contours of her boobs.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 3, 2024 16:51:33 GMT -5
I'm sure Doug Jones would be happy to try the character again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 3, 2024 16:53:58 GMT -5
I mean, I’m not happy with it. Why swap genders for someone like Silver Surfer? And yes, I know about Juno. Hopefully this is her and not the one we all know. Looking up the Deadline article, she's playing Shalla-Bal.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2024 17:03:40 GMT -5
I mean, I’ll just come out and say it, I’d rather Marvel try these sorts of castings out instead of going with the same old sort of ideas.
Like, the multiverse is a concept that exists and they’re made aware of. One medium can have different interpretations of characters. If all of them were the same, then you might as well just read the thing they’re based on.
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Post by chrom on Apr 3, 2024 17:17:06 GMT -5
That doesn't make any sense, Norrin Rand is The Silver Surfer. That's who everyone thinks of. He sacrificed himself so that she and Zenn-La could live. It doesn't make sense for her to become Galactus' herald instead of him.
And going straight to Galactus is a red flag, he like Thanos is The Final Boss that everyone has to band together to fight against. You don't use him in your first movie.
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Post by Legion on Apr 3, 2024 17:30:24 GMT -5
This is my favourite Marvel charcater and while I understand they fancy trying something 'new' and so on, it's a no from me. Just no. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Now all I can do is hope the rumours this film will end with an incursion and they all die ends up true
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Post by Chiral on Apr 3, 2024 17:40:28 GMT -5
I just wanna thank y'all for not tearing apart my Black Widow take, that was what I really cared about. And that was the first movie of Phase 4 too, like the film kickstarting this new saga was a prequel about a character who died already that didn't set much up for the bigger picture. With Marvel phases being like TV seasons, having a season premiere of sorts on that note made it feel disjointed from the jump. (I know Wandavision is technically the first Phase 4 project but just thinking movies here)
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