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Post by eJm on Jul 28, 2019 3:03:51 GMT -5
 This sort of slid under the cracks with everything going on but this is the first time a pro wrestling company has agreed to terms with a specialized union organization which is pretty massive. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 28, 2019 3:11:04 GMT -5
Potentially a huge event. Obviously, whether or not this will occur elsewhere remains to be seen, but I imagine it will add to the pressure to unionize elsewhere.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 28, 2019 4:53:37 GMT -5
Potentially a huge event. Obviously, whether or not this will occur elsewhere remains to be seen, but I imagine it will add to the pressure to unionize elsewhere. Yeah, this’ll be an interesting case study to observe over the next couple of years. Like, if a mid-sized indy company like EVE can somehow manage to cover their talents to the stipulations set out by a union on their modest income, then it shines a spotlight on those who have much more income to do the same. The likes of WWE, AEW, Ring Of Honor and Impact should all be paying attention here. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 28, 2019 4:53:48 GMT -5
The bit about talent being able ot work for promoters not recognizing the union is a big piece; this would be a real isolating factor otherwise, but if people don't have to work only union gigs--like in say film--then it allows the idea to gain a foothold and spread rather than leaving the promotion with only its core people. This is a good, hopeful step in trying to push for some change and with any luck maybe it goes somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 12:03:34 GMT -5
The bit about talent being able ot work for promoters not recognizing the union is a big piece Their talent are indie workers who take bookings for dozens of other companies all over the world to stay busy. EVE runs the majority of their shows in a small venue with less than 100 people present. Somehow I don't think they can demand that anyone who works those shows for minimal compensation "isn't allowed" to work for bigger promotions that don't want to go along with this idea. They aren't a major "power" to force something like that. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 28, 2019 12:06:50 GMT -5
The bit about talent being able ot work for promoters not recognizing the union is a big piece Their talent are indie workers who take bookings for dozens of other companies all over the world to stay busy. EVE runs the majority of their shows in a small venue with less than 100 people present. Somehow I don't think they can demand that anyone who works those shows for minimal compensation "isn't allowed" to work for bigger promotions that doesn't want to go along with this idea. A nice thought, but they aren't a major "power" to force something like that. I wasn't implying anywhere that they were, I was directly saying that that isn't always the norm and that it's good they made that distinction outright in the announcement. |
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Post by eJm on Jul 28, 2019 12:09:20 GMT -5
Their talent are indie workers who take bookings for dozens of other companies all over the world to stay busy. EVE runs the majority of their shows in a small venue with less than 100 people present. Somehow I don't think they can demand that anyone who works those shows for minimal compensation "isn't allowed" to work for bigger promotions that doesn't want to go along with this idea. A nice thought, but they aren't a major "power" to force something like that. I wasn't implying anywhere that they were, I was directly saying that that isn't always the norm and that it's good they made that distinction outright in the announcement. Also considering they have worked with Japanese promotions in the past, it’d be weird to veto that stuff or attempt to. A lot of this seems to be in the ethos of the promotion anyway, this is more just getting it on paper and laying the groundwork so it’s not this weird thing talked about in communities like this one. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 28, 2019 12:10:38 GMT -5
This is stunning work, and does set up a great foundation for other indies. Hope it all works out for them, and gives workers more power throughout the industry.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 28, 2019 14:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 29, 2019 2:56:47 GMT -5
My favourite promotion setting the standard yet again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 29, 2019 3:01:47 GMT -5
My favourite promotion setting the standard yet again. I am not too familiar with them. Any must-see folks or matches, for a newbie here? |
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2019 3:13:37 GMT -5
My favourite promotion setting the standard yet again. I am not too familiar with them. Any must-see folks or matches, for a newbie here? Haven’t seen the second one but the first Wrestle Queendom is a good start. Satomora/KLR, Viper/Aja Kong, a pretty crazy 8 way ladder match and Morgan/Jayne for the main belt. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 29, 2019 5:16:09 GMT -5
The best thing was how triggered Mark Andrews got by this. He and Pete Dunne had Equity reps backstage at ATTACK! shows, but no written agreement was made like EVE have here, and now he's going on about "virtue signalling", which is a very unfortunate phrase to be using.
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2019 5:20:50 GMT -5
The best thing was how triggered Mark Andrews got by this. He and Pete Dunne had Equity reps backstage at ATTACK! shows, but no written agreement was made like EVE have here, and now he's going on about "virtue signalling", which is a very unfortunate phrase to be using. That's a...really bizarre thing to be angry about. I'd get if it was a talent acquisition or something but...like, you can make your own agreement? It's not like you get anything by being the first to agree union terms. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 29, 2019 7:24:05 GMT -5
My favourite promotion setting the standard yet again. I am not too familiar with them. Any must-see folks or matches, for a newbie here? Wrestle Queendom 1 is on YouTube for free. Can't recommend it highly enough. If you only have time for one match, watch Kay Lee Ray vs. Meiko Satomura. Dann Read is also an excellent commentator as well as promoter. |
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Post by eJm on Jul 29, 2019 7:27:51 GMT -5
I am not too familiar with them. Any must-see folks or matches, for a newbie here? Wrestle Queendom 1 is on YouTube for free. Can't recommend it highly enough. If you only have time for one match, watch Kay Lee Ray vs. Meiko Satomura. Dann Read is also an excellent commentator as well as promoter. That match in particular was where Dann was selling that Meiko had two themes for if she's having fun or in serious mode and he lost his mind when she came out to the serious music. It's really cheesy but it basically showed me that not only does he know about the character Meiko has but also how important certain elements are which made me go "Ok, I have to pay attention to the match now". The best comparison is at All In when Okada came out to his Rainmaker theme instead of the theme he'd been using at the time which basically sent the message of "Oh F***, Okada means business!" |
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Post by eJm on Aug 28, 2019 12:59:25 GMT -5
For the purposes of transparency, EVE have released the code of conduct they’ve agreed with EquityUK on.
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 28, 2019 22:35:57 GMT -5
This is potentially huge.
Equity UK _knows_ that its members will want to take work where they can get it, so the agreement holds EVE to standards which may not be upheld elsewhere. Nonetheless, it means that Equity members can expect Equity-approved pay and conditions when working for EVE. Reliability in this can build EVE's reputation and attract talent there, building up its potential marketability and its business overall.
Let's see if other UK and European promotions try to follow suit, either working with Equity UK or independently. One possible downside is that union members may find themselves permanently off the WWE track.
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