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Post by bob on Aug 9, 2019 22:55:31 GMT -5
I live about 20-30 minutes away from Milwaukee and this is the first I have heard about the show I haven't seen any ads on tv or in the newspaper
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 10, 2019 0:16:41 GMT -5
I live about 20-30 minutes away from Milwaukee and this is the first I have heard about the show I haven't seen any ads on tv or in the newspaper By comparison, I know that MLW is taping in North Richland Hills (suburb outside of Dallas) next month via FB. ROH themselves filmed here a couple months ago and I completely missed it.
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 10, 2019 9:56:19 GMT -5
That’s pretty sad about Death Before Dishonor. I guess I’m part of the problem because I’m not going this year either...but I live in Toronto.
At least it’s in a casino so at least they can comp tickets. But Sams Town isn’t even a “cool” casino. It’s forty minutes from the strip and it’s your grandmas casino.
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 10, 2019 10:01:11 GMT -5
They need to get Bully Ray to do a Dusty Rhodes promo where he threatens to climb down our chimneys at Christmas and beat up our children if we don't attend. Only thing is, he'd probably try to do that.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 10, 2019 10:06:27 GMT -5
I counted up the seats sold for those Vegas shows in late Sept. The PPV itself has sold 111 seats, while the next night has sold 80 tickets. That's just...bad. The Chicago show wasn't as bad, but I wasn't sure what was actually for sale and what wasn't. But if you can't sell out Chicago, that's a problem.
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 10, 2019 11:32:32 GMT -5
As good of a heel as Bully Ray is, there's no denying that he's had a big part in destroying ROH's reputation.
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Post by corndog on Aug 10, 2019 12:02:08 GMT -5
This is far more bizarre than the AWA. Who has ever heard of a totally tanking promotion that sold out a venue like MSG (even with NJPW help) and then almost immediately plummet into nothingness? It's not hard to see NJPW cutting ties totally with ROH. It's just a matter of whether they're willing to buck CMLL to work with AEW since AEW is aligned with AAA. Strange bedfellows, indeed. Yeah, ROH's decline has been incredibly fast, the AWA died a slower death that took about 6 years to get to the point where ROH is currently at. As far as New Japan, I said in another post, I think they just go ahead with their own US touring brand and seem to be heading that way already. They have two mini-tours coming up that could be test runs for them in smaller arenas. The east coast tour is all towns and venues ROH would regularly run, except they are doing them solo. If and when ROH folds, I could New Japan signing guys like Cobb, Rush, Bandido and Jonathan Gresham to work their US brand. I certainly don't see them abandoning their relationship with CMLL as that seems to be the strongest and longest one they have, then followed by RevPro, which is a healthy relationship as well.
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Post by Balesirion on Aug 10, 2019 12:07:28 GMT -5
Precisely, when AJ, Nakamura and Guns n Gallows left, Omega and others stepped up to fill the slot left by them. When The Elite left, you're seeing guys stepping up again like Ospreay, Sanada, Archer and others. Despite the talent losses this year, this is the most tickets New Japan has ever sold this year and looking at their most profitable year. In contrast, nobody in ROH has stepped up to fill the voids when talent heads out the door to NXT. They're banking on hoping that ECW fans will remember Bully Ray and tune in.
If anything, Juice took one look at what was going on in ROH after his contract was up, and said "Yep, full time Japan looks real good to me." That was absolutely not what happened, and Meltzer reported that Juice was quite annoyed with all the reports that he was unhappy with ROH.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 10, 2019 12:19:47 GMT -5
If anything, Juice took one look at what was going on in ROH after his contract was up, and said "Yep, full time Japan looks real good to me." That was absolutely not what happened, and Meltzer reported that Juice was quite annoyed with all the reports that he was unhappy with ROH. I certainly don't know what the full story is with Juice leaving, but it's possible he simply wanted to commit to being in Japan full time, and it's also possible that he's putting out a cover story because he doesn't want things to reflect badly on one of NJPW's partner promotions. I'll take Meltzer's word for it on that one, but I do think both could be possible.
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Post by octopus on Aug 15, 2019 20:14:05 GMT -5
Update a week later, still bad.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 15, 2019 20:45:41 GMT -5
Were ROH to decide to simply shut down at this point, is that even an option with the Sinclair deal? Imagine they’d still have to pay all the contracted talent for their deals and probably lose something on all venues currently booked, but if those shows won’t any money anyways....
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2019 20:50:58 GMT -5
Were ROH to decide to simply shut down at this point, is that even an option with the Sinclair deal? Imagine they’d still have to pay all the contracted talent for their deals and probably lose something on all venues currently booked, but if those shows won’t any money anyways.... I don't expect that they'd shut down, but if they did, it wouldn't be their call, it'd be Sinclair's, presumably, or at least, Sinclair pulling out would be the death knell. I don't anticipate that's what's going to happen, though. More likely, they slash some of the touring, and Delirious or some other higher up falls on their sword.
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Post by corndog on Aug 16, 2019 9:01:50 GMT -5
Were ROH to decide to simply shut down at this point, is that even an option with the Sinclair deal? Imagine they’d still have to pay all the contracted talent for their deals and probably lose something on all venues currently booked, but if those shows won’t any money anyways.... I don't expect that they'd shut down, but if they did, it wouldn't be their call, it'd be Sinclair's, presumably, or at least, Sinclair pulling out would be the death knell. I don't anticipate that's what's going to happen, though. More likely, they slash some of the touring, and Delirious or some other higher up falls on their sword. Of course higher ups will get cut first and really that should happen, it's the obvious problem. ROH has a decent talent pool and their brand is well known throughout the wrestling community. But if this poor attendance continues for a sustained period of time, Sinclair will eventually pull the plug.
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Post by eJm on Aug 16, 2019 9:03:37 GMT -5
Were ROH to decide to simply shut down at this point, is that even an option with the Sinclair deal? Imagine they’d still have to pay all the contracted talent for their deals and probably lose something on all venues currently booked, but if those shows won’t any money anyways.... I don't expect that they'd shut down, but if they did, it wouldn't be their call, it'd be Sinclair's, presumably, or at least, Sinclair pulling out would be the death knell. I don't anticipate that's what's going to happen, though. More likely, they slash some of the touring, and Delirious or some other higher up falls on their sword. I'd say that's what would happen. I can't see a scenario Sinclair would cut them unless there's a cheaper alternative for content and considering a company of their size and financial standing...there's really not many other options out there. This isn't a Panda Energy scenario here, this is them going "F***, we'll do enough to let you live, just record the shows and we're good".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 19:03:20 GMT -5
It genuinely sucks to see ROH in the shape it’s in. I remember being so excited to buy all of the PPVs when they first started airing them on DirecTV back in 06 or whenever. It’s just such a lifeless mess right now with so little to get pumped for.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2019 19:07:56 GMT -5
I don't expect that they'd shut down, but if they did, it wouldn't be their call, it'd be Sinclair's, presumably, or at least, Sinclair pulling out would be the death knell. I don't anticipate that's what's going to happen, though. More likely, they slash some of the touring, and Delirious or some other higher up falls on their sword. I'd say that's what would happen. I can't see a scenario Sinclair would cut them unless there's a cheaper alternative for content and considering a company of their size and financial standing...there's really not many other options out there. This isn't a Panda Energy scenario here, this is them going "F***, we'll do enough to let you live, just record the shows and we're good". Yeah, this isn't something that's worth to them isn't really tied into the ticket sales so much, so long as they put out content. Still, it has to be demoralizing for ROH themselves, and someone will eventually be held accountable for it, whether it's who actually is deserving of scorn or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 19:08:28 GMT -5
I feel like the most likely scenario would be Sinclair cutting them down to doing nothing but the TV tapings, and potentially going full pink room if they have to. The whole point of ROH is to be inexpensive local programming, their PPVs and stuff really aren't a concern.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 16, 2019 19:26:01 GMT -5
I feel like the most likely scenario would be Sinclair cutting them down to doing nothing but the TV tapings, and potentially going full pink room if they have to. The whole point of ROH is to be inexpensive local programming, their PPVs and stuff really aren't a concern. Yeah, I think at worst they become a studio type show bouncing between Baltimore and Vegas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 20:55:52 GMT -5
I can't see a scenario Sinclair would cut them unless there's a cheaper alternative for content and considering a company of their size and financial standing...there's really not many other options out there. If they just want cheap content, they could forget about running their own wrestling promotion and just air Impact. Or MLW. Or Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. They don't have to own the company whose show they air, or spend any money to do it, either. All of those promotions would love to be on all of the Sinclair stations.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 16, 2019 22:06:55 GMT -5
Dear Sinclair,
if you make this a TV only show than can you please make the TV show linear so that if i watch a PPV, i can turn into the next episode of ROH on TV and it follows up from the show, not 3 weeks later or whatever nonsense it was when i watched last.
unless they changed it, and if so, nevermind.
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