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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 22, 2024 1:17:34 GMT -5
I worked at a comic book store in the 90's. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men were 90% of our sales (im counting spinoffs like Venom and Wolverine in this category) When they killed Superman, we were making record profits. Truth be told, during that time, the JLA was about 500% more popular than The Avengers. Which, I don't think is true anymore.Jurgens-era JLI was selling that well? Have I underestimated the sales potential of characters like Maxima and Bloodwynd? I think it's because the "leather jacket" era Avengers like Black Knight and Sersi weren't really grabbing people.
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Post by chrom on Jan 26, 2024 14:37:59 GMT -5
Apparently they are going to change Uncle Ben's famous speech
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Post by Andee9001 on Jan 26, 2024 16:39:17 GMT -5
Apparently they are going to change Uncle Ben's famous speech They did that in The Amazing Spider-Man and somehow turned the simple "With great power comes great responsibilty" into a long winded speech about "moral obligation."
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 26, 2024 17:10:39 GMT -5
"Bust a deal? Face the wheel!" - Uncle Ben
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 26, 2024 17:34:06 GMT -5
Who would you say those 6-7 truly profitable superheroes are? I'm guessing Batman, Spidey, "X-Men" as one, Wolverine...Final 2-3 pre-and post the first Iron Man movie are tough. I worked at a comic book store in the 90's. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men were 90% of our sales (im counting spinoffs like Venom and Wolverine in this category) When they killed Superman, we were making record profits. Truth be told, during that time, the JLA was about 500% more popular than The Avengers. Which, I don't think is true anymore. Until the last 15 or so years The Avengers was not a great selling title. IIRC 90s JLA was what Morrision's revamping. That was a hhuge hit. Can't really think of any run of the Avengers from about 85 until Heroes Reborn that is well regarded.
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 26, 2024 17:38:42 GMT -5
I worked at a comic book store in the 90's. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men were 90% of our sales (im counting spinoffs like Venom and Wolverine in this category) When they killed Superman, we were making record profits. Truth be told, during that time, the JLA was about 500% more popular than The Avengers. Which, I don't think is true anymore. Until the last 15 or so years The Avengers was not a great selling title. IIRC 90s JLA was what Morrision's revamping. That was a hhuge hit. Can't really think of any run of the Avengers from about 85 until Heroes Reborn that is well regarded. It's like 3 decades ago for me because I am old, but I really can't say I remember a single person buying an Iron Man comic.
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Post by KingPooper on Jan 26, 2024 20:08:19 GMT -5
Until the last 15 or so years The Avengers was not a great selling title. IIRC 90s JLA was what Morrision's revamping. That was a hhuge hit. Can't really think of any run of the Avengers from about 85 until Heroes Reborn that is well regarded. It's like 3 decades ago for me because I am old, but I really can't say I remember a single person buying an Iron Man comic. Same age. Nobody was pretending to be Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America on the playground.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 26, 2024 20:23:17 GMT -5
"Bust a deal? Face the wheel!" - Uncle Ben “F*** around, find out.” - Uncle Ben
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 26, 2024 21:07:55 GMT -5
Until the last 15 or so years The Avengers was not a great selling title. IIRC 90s JLA was what Morrision's revamping. That was a hhuge hit. Can't really think of any run of the Avengers from about 85 until Heroes Reborn that is well regarded. It's like 3 decades ago for me because I am old, but I really can't say I remember a single person buying an Iron Man comic. I hit 50 this summer. I can remember the only time Iron Man was selling was teh Demon in a bottle era,and that was one where people caught on a few issues in. From 1989 until 92 I clerked at a comic shop. And saw first hand how really 2 or 3 heroes from each of the big two keep the entire industry going,meaning the comic shops. While sure my pull list and the owner and other clerk's pull lists were indie heavy. 97% of the customers had on their List "Every X-Title,every spidey title,every bat title,eveyr super man title". Was an odd time cause you did have people coming in to buy stuff that wasn't those big properties. But it was lots of college age people coming in to get "that Sandman/Doom Patrol/Hellblazer title I heard about." Or whatever indie book was being speculated on. Yea everyone knows about the mid 90s spec boom. It started in the late 80s and there is books that were the Youngblood #1's of say 1990. And to keep this semi OT I want to see this. But then I have always enjoyed the second stringers. New Superman movie or Spiderman movie...meh I will catch it streaming in a year or so. Change that to a New Mutants movie or Bloodshot and I either goto the theaters to see it or buy the Blu ray the day it comes out. Sometimes both.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 27, 2024 0:22:46 GMT -5
I was a massive Iron Man fan in the mid-90s, read the comics, watched the cartoon. But I think I knew I was in the minority on that.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 27, 2024 0:31:10 GMT -5
Apparently they are going to change Uncle Ben's famous speech Eh, in the original comic that wasn't even Uncle Ben who said it, it was a narration box, so whatever.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 27, 2024 0:37:08 GMT -5
Apparently they are going to change Uncle Ben's famous speech Eh, in the original comic that wasn't even Uncle Ben who said it, it was a narration box, so whatever. The overlong, mangled version of it is originally said by Uncle Ben in the Ultimate universe.
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Post by schma on Jan 27, 2024 12:21:04 GMT -5
I remember with New Avengers they basically pitched it as in the 60s the Avengers had some of the most popular characters come together and that was what they were going for now by having a team of Avengers that included Spider-man and Wolverine. Now they also included Luke Cage who at that point was a D-List hero. Though I have to give them credit. New Avengers got me interested in Luke Cage. I've been a fan of his since.
Back in the early 2000s I got a chance to read the entire Avengers run. I did it partly because growing up I had been a massive X-men fan and it had rankled me that the Avengers comics had a tagline like "the world's greatest heroes" or something. Plus as a kid there was Thor (not a fan until the God Bomb. The era where he was all thee and thou like he was speaking Shakespearean interest turned me off). Then they had some goof with a bow and arrow and I thought, that's ridiculous, he can't kill anyone, what's he gonna do? (Jokes on my, Hawkeye eventually became one of my favourite heroes). As a Canadian kid I had no time for Captain America (most Canadian kids go through at least a streak of anti-americanism growning up. That said, Cap also managed to become one of my favourites). Most of the others I was only passingly familiar with.
Meanwhile, being born in 83, I was the perfect age for the 90s X-men cartoon and the 90s Spider-man.
When I finally did decide to give the Avengers a chance and read the entire run (I caught up just before Disassembled), I actually realized that there was some fantastic stories and characters. There were also some that were just kinda head scratchers. At one point some guy called Doctor Druid managed to become leader of the team. Granted it was for a storyline but it was kinda, who the hell is this guy? I honestly don't know if he's shown up since then. There were some awesome things about reading the entire run though, one of them being that I got to see the relationship between Hawkeye and Captain America evolve. Initially, Hawkeye was constantly arguing with Cap (so was Quicksilver), giving him a hard time, going on about how he should be leader. Over time though, he came to acknowledge and even appreciate Cap's leadership and over time they even became friends, with Hawkeye taking a lot of lessons from Cap when he went on to lead the West Coast Avengers. Now they're close friends and it was awesome seeing that transformation.
All this said, if not for the MCU, the Avengers would not be what they are today. That and Marvel sabotaging X-men/mutants for so long definitely helped raise their profile.
Final thought, one thing the Avengers have over the X-men and it gives me chills each time...Avengers Assemble!
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Post by Renslayer on Jan 27, 2024 18:49:47 GMT -5
Oh dear
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Post by chrom on Jan 27, 2024 18:50:50 GMT -5
Just take it behind the shed and put it out of its misery
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 27, 2024 18:56:28 GMT -5
Being fair looking at the actual article that's a very clickbaity title. In-context it sounds like she's more talking about not being sure about her performance going into it but trusts the director.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 28, 2024 3:09:32 GMT -5
Being fair looking at the actual article that's a very clickbaity title. In-context it sounds like she's more talking about not being sure about her performance going into it but trusts the director. Variety using a clickbaity headline?! Surely you jest!
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Post by mystermystery on Jan 28, 2024 15:27:39 GMT -5
Every bit of news for this film makes me want to watch it more.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 28, 2024 17:04:32 GMT -5
It's like 3 decades ago for me because I am old, but I really can't say I remember a single person buying an Iron Man comic. Same age. Nobody was pretending to be Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America on the playground. I read the run where Eric Masterson was Thor religiously, I’ll have you know!
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 28, 2024 19:39:02 GMT -5
Same age. Nobody was pretending to be Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America on the playground. I read the run where Eric Masterson was Thor religiously, I’ll have you know! I bought the first issue of Thunder Strike when it came out thinking it would be a huge collector's item some day. I'm still waiting.
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