Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 16, 2022 18:00:34 GMT -5
Might be wrong but didnt both the Venom movies make good money worldwide? If so that makes sense why Sony is trying to make more Spidey without Spidey films. And yet the Spidey without Spidey films are flopping worse than a Rosie O'Donnell Musical Face it, if Venom didn't have a cult fan following, it too would've been a dud.
Lets see there has been 3 spidey without spidey films released so far. 2 Venom films that made profit and Morbius that didn't. Seems like Sony is doing something right. I still need to watch the two Venom movies. But people I know that saw them enjoyed them.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jul 16, 2022 18:01:48 GMT -5
And yet the Spidey without Spidey films are flopping worse than a Rosie O'Donnell Musical Face it, if Venom didn't have a cult fan following, it too would've been a dud.
Lets see there has been 3 spidey without spidey films released so far. 2 Venom films that made profit and Morbius that didn't. Seems like Sony is doing something right. I still need to watch the two Venom movies. But people I know that saw them enjoyed them. And people remember/know Venom, so there is that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 16, 2022 18:04:32 GMT -5
Might be wrong but didnt both the Venom movies make good money worldwide? If so that makes sense why Sony is trying to make more Spidey without Spidey films. That is the logic, yeah, but there's a gulf in widespread appeal between Venom and Morbius, Kraven, Madame Webb, El Muerto, and Silk. Morbius bombed hard — twice — and Kraven the Hunter Wildlife Preservationist isn't shaping up to be any more promising, so one can understand the scepticism people have of these movies.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 16, 2022 20:30:50 GMT -5
Might be wrong but didnt both the Venom movies make good money worldwide? If so that makes sense why Sony is trying to make more Spidey without Spidey films. That is the logic, yeah, but there's a gulf in widespread appeal between Venom and Morbius, Kraven, Madame Webb, El Muerto, and Silk. Morbius bombed hard — twice — and Kraven the Hunter Wildlife Preservationist isn't shaping up to be any more promising, so one can understand the scepticism people have of these movies. I get that. My point was people are acting like all the Spidey with no spidey films have bombed. When so far there is 3 and 2 of them were hits. I am looking forward to Kraven and plan on seeing Morbius.
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Post by thechase on Jul 16, 2022 23:50:06 GMT -5
That is the logic, yeah, but there's a gulf in widespread appeal between Venom and Morbius, Kraven, Madame Webb, El Muerto, and Silk. Morbius bombed hard — twice — and Kraven the Hunter Wildlife Preservationist isn't shaping up to be any more promising, so one can understand the scepticism people have of these movies. I get that. My point was people are acting like all the Spidey with no spidey films have bombed. When so far there is 3 and 2 of them were hits. Yes, but the films are still terrible.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 16, 2022 23:57:35 GMT -5
I get that. My point was people are acting like all the Spidey with no spidey films have bombed. When so far there is 3 and 2 of them were hits. Yes, but the films are still terrible. That's subjective.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 16, 2022 23:57:42 GMT -5
Ok, so I get Universal wants to latch onto the Spidey verse without Spidey .... but ... but ... Superior Foes is right there!
Even the most hardened Spider-Man fan doesn't want a Madame Webb movie. A Superior Foes movie--I would be fully onboard. And given how popular and well-regarded Superior Foes is, I expect most people would be on board. Even a Black Cat movie could be fun since the crime world of Spider-Man has some great villains--Martin Li, Tombstone, Hammerhead etc that she could face off against.
Instead, we got Morbius, Madam Webb (lol) and apparently Kraven the Hunter where he's not a hunter or some other such nonsense?
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Post by thechase on Jul 17, 2022 0:09:46 GMT -5
Yes, but the films are still terrible. That's subjective. Sure, everyone's tastes are different, but there is a general critical consensus on these movies that are hard to ignore also in favour of 'muh box office'. I find most of the Marvel movies terrible in general, MCU included, but people always point to their box office success as a means of deflecting an argument and it just irritates me. Like, what does that prove to me? It's how you feel after you've punched your cinema ticket and spent that money that's more important. It's like ordering a burger you hear is really good, you help contribute to it being this record-breaking success for the restaurant, but is all that profit and word of mouth worth it if you don't like the taste of it? Some people have walked away from those movies feeling underwhelmed, ripped off, or left trying to justify wasting their money by giving it a 'eh, it's not bad, could have been better' reaction
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Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 17, 2022 0:10:42 GMT -5
I get that. My point was people are acting like all the Spidey with no spidey films have bombed. When so far there is 3 and 2 of them were hits. Yes, but the films are still terrible. Might be,films are a subjective thing. But my point was 2 of the three so far made a big profit. So that is why Sony keeps doing it. Hell there are films I love that people call terrible,for example just re-watched Bucky Larson Born to be a star. When they trailers for it were airing it looked bad. Most people i know that call it a bad film only saw the trailers. I ended up watchhing it late one night on Showtime and found it super funny.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 17, 2022 0:15:39 GMT -5
Sure, everyone's tastes are different, but there is a general critical consensus on these movies that are hard to ignore also in favour of 'muh box office'. I find most of the Marvel movies terrible in general, MCU included, but people always point to their box office success as a means of deflecting an argument and it just irritates me. Like, what does that prove to me? It's how you feel after you've punched your cinema ticket and spent that money that's more important. It's like ordering a burger you hear is really good, you help contribute to it being this record-breaking success for the restaurant, but is all that profit and word of mouth worth it if you don't like the taste of it? Some people have walked away from those movies feeling underwhelmed, ripped off, or left trying to justify wasting their money by giving it a 'eh, it's not bad, could have been better' reaction I get ya. For example I find Titanic and Avatar to be horrible films. But they are two of the biggest money making movies out there. And the point of a movie is to make money.
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Post by thechase on Jul 17, 2022 0:17:08 GMT -5
Yes, but the films are still terrible. Might be,films are a subjective thing. But my point was 2 of the three so far made a big profit. So that is why Sony keeps doing it. It goes back to that old adage that Spider-Man and the Venom brands sell on name alone rather than the quality of their content. A lot of people reflect on Homecoming, and especially Far From Home etc as being very flawed but they made a lot of bank. Morbius on the other hand bombed because he doesn't have real value and hasn't featured too prominently in anything other than the 90s animated series.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jul 17, 2022 0:19:31 GMT -5
Might be,films are a subjective thing. But my point was 2 of the three so far made a big profit. So that is why Sony keeps doing it. It goes back to that old adage that Spider-Man and the Venom brands sell on name alone rather than the quality of their content. Morbius on the other hand bombed because he doesn't have real value and hasn't featured too prominently in anything other than the 90s animated series. True. I was one of the few I know excited for the Morbius movie. But then I have loved that character since I read his reprinted first appearence in Marvel Tales.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 17, 2022 0:33:06 GMT -5
Sure, everyone's tastes are different, but there is a general critical consensus on these movies that are hard to ignore also in favour of 'muh box office'. I find most of the Marvel movies terrible in general, MCU included, but people always point to their box office success as a means of deflecting an argument and it just irritates me. Like, what does that prove to me? It's how you feel after you've punched your cinema ticket and spent that money that's more important. It's like ordering a burger you hear is really good, you help contribute to it being this record-breaking success for the restaurant, but is all that profit and word of mouth worth it if you don't like the taste of it? Some people have walked away from those movies feeling underwhelmed, ripped off, or left trying to justify wasting their money by giving it a 'eh, it's not bad, could have been better' reaction I feel ya, man. I've loved plenty of things that bombed at the box office and/or got ripped to shreds by critics. I'm the last guy to say "this made money, therefore it is good". I had fun with the first Venom, but I haven't seen the sequel or Morbius. I will get to them eventually.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 17, 2022 8:19:43 GMT -5
Might be wrong but didnt both the Venom movies make good money worldwide? If so that makes sense why Sony is trying to make more Spidey without Spidey films. That is the logic, yeah, but there's a gulf in widespread appeal between Venom and Morbius, Kraven, Madame Webb, El Muerto, and Silk. Morbius bombed hard — twice — and Kraven the Hunter Wildlife Preservationist isn't shaping up to be any more promising, so one can understand the scepticism people have of these movies. That underlined part cannot be overstated. Two of Sony's three attempts at Spider-Man films without Spider-Man being successful feels a lot less "Sony must be doing something right" when you remember that the two that made them money features maybe the second biggest character in the Spider-Man IP after the titular character. It would be one thing if Sony saw the success of Venom and said "ok, are there any other characters we own whose popularity can be parlayed into a big box office?". Instead, they seem to be going with an "any character will do" strategy that just feels like they have no idea what they're doing. There's a reason Warner's attempts to go around the "Bat-Embargo" involve characters like Joker, Harley Quinn, Birds of Prey, Commissioner Gordon and GCPD, even Alfred. They're not out here trying to make Calendar Man happen.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 17, 2022 10:07:05 GMT -5
A black cat solo movie has the potential to be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. But madame web? Idk....
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 17, 2022 11:37:13 GMT -5
It's all about popularity of the character rather than reducing it to Spidey vs No Spidey. Venom is really popular and was able to carry solo titles for years as a very popular villain and antihero (and outright hero when the symbiote was bonded to Flash Thompson).
Morbius? He's C-Tier at best. The other characters mentioned planned are even more obscure or baffling choices for solo films. Silk might have the best chance of doing well because her popularity has exploded in recent years.
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Post by thechase on Jul 20, 2022 10:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 20, 2022 12:03:59 GMT -5
I get that. My point was people are acting like all the Spidey with no spidey films have bombed. When so far there is 3 and 2 of them were hits. Yes, but the films are still terrible. Oh, they're f***ing awfully made films but Tom Hardy, and Woody Harrelson in the second one, put in some ridiculously entertaining scenery chewing performances that does make them a fun watch
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Post by thechase on Jul 22, 2022 7:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 23, 2022 1:09:09 GMT -5
That girl standing there with the nametag. Make her the star of the movie! NOW!! That is what I would say if I was directing this movie. Sitting there in one of those foldy chairs wearing a beret on my head and yelling orders through a directors megaphone.
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