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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 3, 2019 12:51:54 GMT -5
Because, putting her in league with other fan favorites makes us want her as a fan favorite too/makes her look strong?? This is how characters become The Scrappy. Isn't she a fan favorite anyway? I dunno about DC Comics readers, but for casual, regular people, they all seem to like Harley. Like even people I know who dont read comics know of and like her because of Suicide Squad. More so than the others who ive never heard of. Shhh, we're supposed to pretend she's not popular. Kidding, but yeah, I like Harley, but I feel like she gets a whole lot of play, which can sometimes be an issue in that I think DC is still kind of trying to figure out what her deal is. She feels like she's kind of turned into Tank Girl, which is fine, but like Tank Girl, it means that it gets pretty difficult to do anything deep with her, compared to some of the B:TAS stuff, where I feel an often overlooked undercurrent is that Harley consistently had better luck dealing with Batman than Joker did. Her being hyper competent isn't new, but it was tempered by her terrible self-esteem letting Joker exploit her, or have her kind of turn to Ivy for structure, not doing her own thing too much. When you make her hyper irreverent, it doesn't really work quite the same, so they still need to tool with the dynamic.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 4, 2019 2:56:50 GMT -5
This movie should be called, "The Huntresses' Movie Starring the Huntress and Some Other Girls."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 3:34:16 GMT -5
Isn't she a fan favorite anyway? I dunno about DC Comics readers, but for casual, regular people, they all seem to like Harley. Like even people I know who dont read comics know of and like her because of Suicide Squad. More so than the others who ive never heard of. Shhh, we're supposed to pretend she's not popular. Kidding, but yeah, I like Harley, but I feel like she gets a whole lot of play, which can sometimes be an issue in that I think DC is still kind of trying to figure out what her deal is. She feels like she's kind of turned into Tank Girl, which is fine, but like Tank Girl, it means that it gets pretty difficult to do anything deep with her, compared to some of the B:TAS stuff, where I feel an often overlooked undercurrent is that Harley consistently had better luck dealing with Batman than Joker did. Her being hyper competent isn't new, but it was tempered by her terrible self-esteem letting Joker exploit her, or have her kind of turn to Ivy for structure, not doing her own thing too much. When you make her hyper irreverent, it doesn't really work quite the same, so they still need to tool with the dynamic. Yeah, I feel like Harley has two main roles she's suited for - either being Joker's punching bag or being Poison Ivy's partner. She isn't really a character designed to be standing on her own. Of course, there are good BtAS episodes that explore that - Harley's Holiday is pretty fun - but by and large she functions better as an extension of someone else.
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Post by ayumidah on Oct 4, 2019 11:20:44 GMT -5
saw the trailer before Joker last night, I'm intrigued.. It resembles Suicide Squad, which I liked, so should be good times for me.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 4, 2019 12:16:52 GMT -5
Shhh, we're supposed to pretend she's not popular. Kidding, but yeah, I like Harley, but I feel like she gets a whole lot of play, which can sometimes be an issue in that I think DC is still kind of trying to figure out what her deal is. She feels like she's kind of turned into Tank Girl, which is fine, but like Tank Girl, it means that it gets pretty difficult to do anything deep with her, compared to some of the B:TAS stuff, where I feel an often overlooked undercurrent is that Harley consistently had better luck dealing with Batman than Joker did. Her being hyper competent isn't new, but it was tempered by her terrible self-esteem letting Joker exploit her, or have her kind of turn to Ivy for structure, not doing her own thing too much. When you make her hyper irreverent, it doesn't really work quite the same, so they still need to tool with the dynamic. Yeah, I feel like Harley has two main roles she's suited for - either being Joker's punching bag or being Poison Ivy's partner. She isn't really a character designed to be standing on her own. Of course, there are good BtAS episodes that explore that - Harley's Holiday is pretty fun - but by and large she functions better as an extension of someone else. I don't think that's something that can never change or anything, just, I feel like they just need to figure out what to do with her. Sometimes feels like they're getting closer, but not quite there.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 6, 2019 11:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 6, 2019 12:34:53 GMT -5
If this were a straight up Harley Quinn movie, I’d be feeling a lot better about this. As it stands, this is a rental
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 6, 2019 12:46:13 GMT -5
It's nice of them to tell us who these characters are, because based on the trailer I would've never recognized any of them except for Harley.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 14:21:18 GMT -5
Wow, this looks trash. They didn't even try to adapt the characters. They just slapped some established names on random movie characters.
Margot Robbie needs to go. She had way too much control on this project, which has resulted in more pre-Aquaman DCEU crap.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 6, 2019 14:29:05 GMT -5
Huntress is the only new character I could have guessed. Not high hopes or excitement but we'll see.
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Post by chrom on Dec 6, 2019 14:33:32 GMT -5
That looks the opposite of good.
Hell calling it bad would be a compliment
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Post by Cyno on Dec 6, 2019 14:41:30 GMT -5
Huntress is the only one of the new characters that even remotely resembles her comic book counterpart's look in terms of costume design and color palette. And I guess Renee being in a police uniform. Cassandra Cain at least you can excuse by saying she isn't quite a superhero yet, so no Batgirl or Orphan costume. Rest of it, bleh.
Makes me thankful that DCTV, between the various animated shows and the Arrowverse, usually gets it so right because the movies get it so wrong.
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Post by dav on Dec 7, 2019 9:23:14 GMT -5
Ah crap, that really was supposed to be Cassandra. Unless the movie is very different from the trailer, they really didn't even try with her character.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 7, 2019 10:02:29 GMT -5
Guess it's because I was never much of a comics reader growing up, but I really don't get caring about how the characters look/are dressed for the most part.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2019 10:30:06 GMT -5
For the most part it's just kind of an aesthetic thing. If they were making a movie about the Mets&their unis were bright red or forest green or whatever it wouldn't affect how the story was told, but you'd still at least go: "why didn't they just keep it blue&orange?"
Same deal.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 7, 2019 13:38:29 GMT -5
Eh, but that'd be a historical recounting or something, I'd get some annoyance at that; these are fictional characters, they get reimagined all the time.
I guess it'd even be something I'd get if it was a case of there being one "canon" presentation for each character; like, I think back to when the Lord of the Rings movies came out and I loved seeing things put on screen that so resembled the art and descriptions from Tolkien's work, since those are the singular sources for those characters ad locations. But with comic characters there have just been so may retellings, elseworld stuff, new lead artists and writers, etc., that I'm basically open to whatever someone wants to do, so long as the end product is decent.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 7, 2019 13:41:26 GMT -5
For me, it's not just that the designs resemble nothing from their comic book counterparts, but they're just aesthetically bad-looking, too. It's like everything's doubling down on the same style as the Jared Leto Joker look (and I hated most of the Suicide Squad looks, too).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2019 16:35:37 GMT -5
Eh, but that'd be a historical recounting or something, I'd get some annoyance at that; these are fictional characters, they get reimagined all the time. I guess it'd even be something I'd get if it was a case of there being one "canon" presentation for each character; like, I think back to when the Lord of the Rings movies came out and I loved seeing things put on screen that so resembled the art and descriptions from Tolkien's work, since those are the singular sources for those characters ad locations. But with comic characters there have just been so may retellings, elseworld stuff, new lead artists and writers, etc., that I'm basically open to whatever someone wants to do, so long as the end product is decent. That's why though; just aesthetics. The only difference in say Rings and comics thing you're describing is degree and semantics. I'm not precious about it either way, but you asked why some are. That's why. Haha. Hell, the Bakshi cartoon of Rings was wildly different in some respects and people love that just as much. Just depends on what ya like. There's no one canon there either.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 7, 2019 17:14:00 GMT -5
Guess it's because I was never much of a comics reader growing up, but I really don't get caring about how the characters look/are dressed for the most part. Im a comic reader and I agree with this viewpoint. Movies and other forms of digital media are different interpretations of the source material. However fans are well within their rights to hate it
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 7, 2019 17:45:42 GMT -5
I don't mind them taking liberties with the characters appearances from the source material. Hell, I was begging for this from Wonder Woman as I didn't think in a million years that her classic look could ever not look ridiculous in live-action (praise be to Patty Jenkins). But while I don't need or even particularly want loyalty to source material, I do expect some respect for it. None of this feels like anybody involved in the movie had any respect for Birds of Prey and just went "who cares what they look or act like, they're not Harley!".
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