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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 2, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5
Cody didn't come out until after the match was over The announcers just basically said, well damn The Elite is fighting one man down So my question is why? Why did the ref allow this? This is a DQ all the time but if it is not this time then why I know when Cody ran out, I was questioning why not do that after Kenny and Mox left, let him replacing Kenny be “ref’s discretion”? That would have made more sense to me than making it a handicapped match. Or hell, you got Dustin there and in full gear so let him do it. Make the run in at the end be “too out of control “ or something. Yeah, as things currently stand it is a lazy way of writing a DQ into a match without it being a DQ There is smart people in the back, y'all got to put some rules on this or explain it but the main event left me scratching my head because it was just glossed over. I mean I get to sell "MOX IS HERE OMG" but if you are going to tell us things count, than things need to be explained because this will matter in the long run
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 22:21:23 GMT -5
I think the women championship match is the results of them wanting to have a clean finish for the 1st champion instead of her winning the title through a dq.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 3, 2019 17:53:50 GMT -5
Maybe they'll address this with a segment or something, maybe the ref themselves will be put on blast. Possibly, they already had Page slam Earl's shitty ref work on twitter, letting a dick kick go unchecked. Page should be careful about throwing stones given Earl also counted a pin on PAC when PAC's shoulder was obviously up. The referee discretion thing wouldn't be an issue if they explained it more. If a six-man tag is just always No DQ in AEW, then fine. But if it's just 'ooh weebly wobbly referee stuff' then like... what the f*** is going to get me DQed if a mercenary showing up and killing one of my opponents in cold blood elsewhere in the arena doesn't?
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Post by Cyno on Oct 3, 2019 20:25:49 GMT -5
Dumb question since I don't think we've had any near count-out situations yet, even though the women's championship match had a lot of time outside the ring.
Does AEW do a standard 10-count for a count-out? Or is it another number? Like New Japan does a 20 count and I've grown to really like it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 3, 2019 22:03:01 GMT -5
Possibly, they already had Page slam Earl's shitty ref work on twitter, letting a dick kick go unchecked. Page should be careful about throwing stones given Earl also counted a pin on PAC when PAC's shoulder was obviously up. The referee discretion thing wouldn't be an issue if they explained it more. If a six-man tag is just always No DQ in AEW, then fine. But if it's just 'ooh weebly wobbly referee stuff' then like... what the f*** is going to get me DQed if a mercenary showing up and killing one of my opponents in cold blood elsewhere in the arena doesn't? Yeah that’s my whole thing, just give me an explanation of it and I will buy into it but otherwise it comes as a lazy write off It adds a lot of dimensions if you can do this and have a clear explanation. Like real refs in sports, you now have tendencies where some people are really strict while others are very loose. I don’t think just because it is ref discretion that every ref should allow wrestlers to go the extra mile
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 3, 2019 22:55:14 GMT -5
I am just picturing Aubrey next week chewing out the other refs. "What the hell was that?!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 12:14:49 GMT -5
Ah so that's what they said. I didn't know that. I was wondering why the let that match continue.
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Post by markymark on Oct 5, 2019 12:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Oct 5, 2019 12:42:25 GMT -5
I mean if I'm the ref in the main event of the first ever TV show, I'm not throwing the match out either.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 5, 2019 12:47:15 GMT -5
I was watching it laughing my arse off when Mox took Kenny out of the match and then put The Cleaner and himself through a table. It was great.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 5, 2019 13:56:38 GMT -5
That's still not really an answer Referee discretion needs a definition
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 5, 2019 13:57:27 GMT -5
Ah so that's what they said. I didn't know that. I was wondering why the let that match continue. It is bugging me lol I'm willing to go along with the ride, just explain to me what the f*** referee discretion is and how it will play out
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Oct 5, 2019 14:03:23 GMT -5
I don't think it's really difficult to understand at all tbh. Whether someone's going too far with something or not and the match needs to be stopped is entirely the referee's call. Referee discretion is a pretty self explanatory term.
I'm not saying I'm really in to it though, cause as a general rule I'm not. It's very much a WCW thing and the chances of it getting really f***y and weird are ridiculously high.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 5, 2019 14:43:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's really difficult to understand at all tbh. Whether someone's going too far with something or not and the match needs to be stopped is entirely the referee's call. Referee discretion is a pretty self explanatory term. I'm not saying I'm really in to it though, cause as a general rule I'm not. It's very much a WCW thing and the chances of it getting really f***y and weird are ridiculously high. It's not difficult to understand, just like an "official" rule for it instead of throwing it out there. Have JR or one of the boys say this is what this is and it can fit into this match, or a certain or etc.. You are a new company and doing something different. This is an instance where they've thrown that name out there a few times without saying exactly what it is, is what i'm getting at
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Oct 5, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's really difficult to understand at all tbh. Whether someone's going too far with something or not and the match needs to be stopped is entirely the referee's call. Referee discretion is a pretty self explanatory term. I'm not saying I'm really in to it though, cause as a general rule I'm not. It's very much a WCW thing and the chances of it getting really f***y and weird are ridiculously high. It's not difficult to understand, just like an "official" rule for it instead of throwing it out there. Have JR or one of the boys say this is what this is and it can fit into this match, or a certain or etc.. You are a new company and doing something different. This is an instance where they've thrown that name out there a few times without saying exactly what it is, is what i'm getting at I definitely agree that they should flesh it out more, mainly so that it doesn't turn in to a WCW or TNA thing where it feels like literally ever match has its own rules.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 5, 2019 14:51:11 GMT -5
It's not difficult to understand, just like an "official" rule for it instead of throwing it out there. Have JR or one of the boys say this is what this is and it can fit into this match, or a certain or etc.. You are a new company and doing something different. This is an instance where they've thrown that name out there a few times without saying exactly what it is, is what i'm getting at I definitely agree that they should flesh it out more, mainly so that it doesn't turn in to a WCW or TNA thing where it feels like literally ever match has its own rules. Yea, this is one of those things where i'm like I know exactly what they mean but I need them to treat me and the audience like an idiot and give me exactly a rule we can follow Is ref discretion every match because otherwise every match could be a no dq without being no dq? Are there some refs who will follow the rules down to the letter? Is this only for "important" or main event matches? Shit like that. My belief was coming in this will only be involved in title matches or grudge matches that are hotly contested fights and you allow that leeway. If it stretches more than that then it gets a little iffy because you delude it a bit imo
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Post by bmfjules on Oct 5, 2019 14:58:39 GMT -5
I don't know that it makes sense as a serious angle, but I'd love to see a storyline with a referee as described above who just decides enough is enough and just starts enforcing the rules to the fullest extent possible and beyond.
Every match he refs begins with a thorough check on both wrestlers, full body search with a metal detector, inspect under the wrist tape, inside their mouths etc... Then once the bell rings, he'd DQ a match on the first closed fist, or if a manager or valet helps their guy back up, boom, DQ them too, and stop a match for medical intervention at the first sign of a dribble of blood---also have the ring mats thoroughly scrubbed. Institute a replay rule and the ref can stop the match in the middle when things are getting good and have a long delay while he watches to see if someone pulled hair or not.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 5, 2019 22:03:32 GMT -5
It's a work, brother.
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Post by Shark on Oct 5, 2019 22:17:23 GMT -5
Legal or non legal has ever mattered. I put this more on the announcers. It's their job to explain something like this and they didn't even try.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 5, 2019 22:33:37 GMT -5
"Referee Discretion" and Earl Hebner is not a good combination
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