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Post by prettynami on Oct 27, 2019 17:50:48 GMT -5
Well there is some evidence to suggest Disney may be the problem in some regard. I saw an article that before buying Fox they controlled 40 percent of all ticket sales and are now expected to exceed 50 percent of them. And it's pretty well know that they use their market share to freeze out other movies so they get a larger number of screens not only for their blockbusters but for their other movies (Like nature documentaries and some other stuff that isn't expected to do as well). And supposedly they are already 'vaulting' Fox classics so threatres that have screenings of new movies with like midnite or special showings of old movies don't have access to them supposedly so more screens are devoted to Disney stuff. Or something.
Needless to say, you can't cross Disney cause if you lose the blockbusters in your threatre it would do more damage to you then it would ever do to Disney so you have to risk some of your business ("Wasting" screens on low turnout and bad share Disney movies instead of smaller-than-a-Disney-Blockbuster movie movies from other studios) in order to get your big business (Disney blockbusters). And I don't think it's so much that the other films never get shown, it's that their runs are so truncated that word of mouth never gets to spread (Which I still believe to be a thing) because one has to rotate them out so fast in order to make use of the limited number of screens Disney "allows" other films to exist in. Still, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the marvel movies or what not just that they are being leveraged in a terrible way.
Personally I wish there was some tiered pricing system across the board or something. So that the dramatic movies cost less and maybe could pull a wider audience... After all who wants to pay the same for one of those movies that you pay for the "Must See On The Big Screen" movies that are so larger than life...? It feels like you are ripping yourself off. Of course I have no idea how they would ever get something like that to work industry wise, so it is definitely a pipe dream.
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Post by XIII on Oct 27, 2019 17:52:31 GMT -5
Old people hate everything. Film at 11.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 27, 2019 18:05:22 GMT -5
I've never looked at a cinema lineup and not seen nonblockbusters listed as well. The blockbusters take more screens but they are the things most people are going to see. That said talking about that angle is a much better take than just proclaiming them not art. If I had a complaint about the modern landscape, it's kind of what's also hurting the modern video game market: the lack of a "middle class" of films. We get the insanely budgeted tentpoles, we get some indies and small budget films that don't need to do huge box office numbers to make a profit, but the days of high concept escapist movies (e.g. what made 80s cinema a lot of fun ala Back to the Future and The Terminator), of more than a one-off successful comedy film every so often (e.g. a lot of what would come out during the 90s or thereabouts), or other flicks that might include original concepts or "out there" ideas but need a decent box office return are pretty much over. It's why I was shocked that a movie like Baby Driver got a widespread run a couple of years ago; totally original concept, not made on a shoestring budget, actually had some success. Sadly we don't get many of those anymore. Big reason why I hated to see Kubo and the Two Strings not do as well as it could have, Laika is one of those studios trying original ideas (or at least adaptations of non-tentpole material) and I'd love to see such fare get more of a shake in modern theaters.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 27, 2019 19:54:34 GMT -5
On a side note, those prices for the DVDs (even the non-Marvel stuff), yikes.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2019 21:09:48 GMT -5
I've never looked at a cinema lineup and not seen nonblockbusters listed as well. The blockbusters take more screens but they are the things most people are going to see. That said talking about that angle is a much better take than just proclaiming them not art. If I had a complaint about the modern landscape, it's kind of what's also hurting the modern video game market: the lack of a "middle class" of films. We get the insanely budgeted tentpoles, we get some indies and small budget films that don't need to do huge box office numbers to make a profit, but the days of high concept escapist movies (e.g. what made 80s cinema a lot of fun ala Back to the Future and The Terminator), of more than a one-off successful comedy film every so often (e.g. a lot of what would come out during the 90s or thereabouts), or other flicks that might include original concepts or "out there" ideas but need a decent box office return are pretty much over. It's why I was shocked that a movie like Baby Driver got a widespread run a couple of years ago; totally original concept, not made on a shoestring budget, actually had some success. Sadly we don't get many of those anymore. Big reason why I hated to see Kubo and the Two Strings not do as well as it could have, Laika is one of those studios trying original ideas (or at least adaptations of non-tentpole material) and I'd love to see such fare get more of a shake in modern theaters. I agree especially in regards to the lack of middle class. It's also kinda sad how the video game industry learned nothing from the film industry and actually went further than them. Granted I think if movie studios could find a way to implement something like microtransactions and lootboxes into the filmgoing experience, it would've happened yesterday.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 28, 2019 3:44:24 GMT -5
Anybody know what the ghost of Akira Kurosawa thinks about Detective Pikachu?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2019 16:08:50 GMT -5
The next GOTG movie should include a montage of dead superheroes to "Layla"
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 31, 2019 19:01:33 GMT -5
Yul Brunner would prolly been wonderful as Blofeld
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 31, 2019 19:33:55 GMT -5
Wonder what Kubrick would have thought of Marvel films.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 5, 2019 4:24:59 GMT -5
Anyone read his editorial in the New York Times? link
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 5, 2019 4:39:09 GMT -5
Scorsese could have saved himself all this headache if he had just left out the words "not cinema"
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 5, 2019 10:06:58 GMT -5
Anyone read his editorial in the New York Times? linkNot surprisingly, Scorsese is very much of the auteur tradition in cinema. There's a lot to unpack about whether auteur theory is the "one true vision" in cinema (I'm inclined to say no), but I do totally agree on his take on risk aversion. For people who do believe in auteur theory, the lack of risk and singular expression would make a lot of modern blockbusters "not cinema"; again, I don't really agree that auteur theory is as all-powerful as some others do, but it's at least a debate.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 5, 2019 17:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 5, 2019 18:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on Nov 21, 2019 12:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 21, 2019 12:29:16 GMT -5
Is that a backhanded way of calling Scorsese a pretentious snob?
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 21, 2019 13:38:51 GMT -5
Is that a backhanded way of calling Scorsese a pretentious snob? Circle gets the square!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 21, 2019 14:55:39 GMT -5
Is that a backhanded way of calling Scorsese a pretentious snob? I think it was fronthanded.
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Post by thechase on Dec 13, 2019 5:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Dec 13, 2019 5:51:03 GMT -5
Why? Why is this remotely a thing? Like, this is akin to your Dad going to sort out a school bully. It doesn’t make anyone seem cool.
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