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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 11:14:08 GMT -5
Dunno, John Cleese seems quite in with the times. at least on twitter The John Cleese who complains that London isn't an English city because there are too many foreigners there, while living in... The Caribbean? Yeah, not what I'd call in with the times. I stand corrected.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2019 13:08:54 GMT -5
These kind of things are why my generation and Gen Z started saying "Ok boomer."
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2019 13:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 25, 2019 13:42:15 GMT -5
An old white guy doesn't get the appeal or concepts of Afrofuturism as fiction. I'm not exactly shocked.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2019 16:22:16 GMT -5
To a certain degree I understand what Scorsese is getting at. We all can agree that it's been a great year for comic book films and the superhero genre hasn't exploded with fatigue, given the many predictions of it supposed to happen with "Black Panther", "Ant-Man", "Guardians of the Galaxy" etc. I think the problem is every film these days is a superhero formulated, a prequel, sequel, or a remake of some sort.
Perhaps that's what Scorsese is getting at with his views. While I am not at all bothered by his own opinion, realistically the debate has entered into true odd territory. What happened to simply allowing people to have their own opinions? Okay he's not the biggest fan of the MCU. In the end what he's saying isn't physically hurting anyone. So let him have his thoughts and leave it at that.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 25, 2019 17:42:18 GMT -5
To a certain degree I understand what Scorsese is getting at. We all can agree that it's been a great year for comic book films and the superhero genre hasn't exploded with fatigue, given the many predictions of it supposed to happen with "Black Panther", "Ant-Man", "Guardians of the Galaxy" etc. I think the problem is every film these days is a superhero formulated, a prequel, sequel, or a remake of some sort. Perhaps that's what Scorsese is getting at with his views. While I am not at all bothered by his own opinion, realistically the debate has entered into true odd territory. What happened to simply allowing people to have their own opinions? Okay he's not the biggest fan of the MCU. In the end what he's saying isn't physically hurting anyone. So let him have his thoughts and leave it at that. The fact that some are going apeshit about Scorsese’s harmless remarks kinda reflects badly on them. Of course, not everybody is gonna love superhero movies, and you can’t really force them to if they don’t want to enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 18:30:02 GMT -5
Okay he's not the biggest fan of the MCU. In the end what he's saying isn't physically hurting anyone. So let him have his thoughts and leave it at that. Right and that goes to his critics too unless they threaten people.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -5
Okay he's not the biggest fan of the MCU. In the end what he's saying isn't physically hurting anyone. So let him have his thoughts and leave it at that. Right and that goes to his critics too unless they threaten people. I do agree that it’s a lot of ado about not very much, but Scorsese didn’t say he didn’t like the films. He said they weren’t cinema, which is implying that the people who enjoy them are somehow wrong for doing so.
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2019 20:20:19 GMT -5
Right and that goes to his critics too unless they threaten people. I do agree that it’s a lot of ado about not very much, but Scorsese didn’t say he didn’t like the films. He said they weren’t cinema, which is implying that the people who enjoy them are somehow wrong for doing so. How? I wouldn’t call “Waterboy” cinema (by how he defined it) but I still enjoy it lol. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2019 20:23:03 GMT -5
I do agree that it’s a lot of ado about not very much, but Scorsese didn’t say he didn’t like the films. He said they weren’t cinema, which is implying that the people who enjoy them are somehow wrong for doing so. How? I wouldn’t call “Waterboy” cinema (by how he defined it) but I still enjoy it lol. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think you’re a metal head as well. Do you not get a little pissed when someone, rather than just saying they don’t like it, hits you with “that’s not even music”?
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2019 20:29:39 GMT -5
How? I wouldn’t call “Waterboy” cinema (by how he defined it) but I still enjoy it lol. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think you’re a metal head as well. Do you not get a little pissed when someone, rather than just saying they don’t like it, hits you with “that’s not even music”? I’m..what? I’m not a metal head lol. I do like a lot of pop. People have said that exact thing to me regarding Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, Miley Cyrus. Doesn’t phase me, and to a small extent, I kinda agree but I still enjoy the shit out of “bye, bye, bye” and “Party in The USA”. That’s what’s awesome bout art. It’s all subjective.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2019 20:37:13 GMT -5
I think you’re a metal head as well. Do you not get a little pissed when someone, rather than just saying they don’t like it, hits you with “that’s not even music”? I’m..what? I’m not a metal head lol. I do like a lot of pop. People have said that exact thing to me regarding Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, Miley Cyrus. Doesn’t phase me, and to a small extent, I kinda agree but I still enjoy the shit out of “bye, bye, bye” and “Party in The USA”. That’s what’s awesome bout art. It’s all subjective. That’s my mistake. But you still kind of hit the nail on the head. If Scorsese had just said he didn’t like the films this wouldn’t be a story. He instead implied they weren’t legitimate art.
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2019 20:49:50 GMT -5
I’m..what? I’m not a metal head lol. I do like a lot of pop. People have said that exact thing to me regarding Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, Miley Cyrus. Doesn’t phase me, and to a small extent, I kinda agree but I still enjoy the shit out of “bye, bye, bye” and “Party in The USA”. That’s what’s awesome bout art. It’s all subjective. That’s my mistake. But you still kind of hit the nail on the head. If Scorsese had just said he didn’t like the films this wouldn’t be a story. He instead implied they weren’t legitimate art. He said they weren’t cinema, and then he went on to explain his view of cinema, and by that even I don’t fully agree with him. I think TWS and GOTG are great stand alone films that are cinema, even by his definition. But I kinda agree with him with most of Marvels other flicks but it doesn’t make me enjoy Endgame or Infinity War or even f***ing Ant-Man any less. They’re fun. And I get emotionally invested in them. Ultimately that’s all that really matters.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2019 20:50:53 GMT -5
I think that's one of the biggest issues I have with social media these days. Many years ago directors, actors, and writers could make certain claims without it blowing up needlessly. Now a director of Scorsese's caliber gives his opinion about what he views as cinema and all of a sudden it's everywhere. Fans of the MCU claiming that he's a jealous hater and that he's overrated.
Martin Scorsese is a fantastic director who has made classic films. I'd love for him to take a stab at a superhero film if I am completely honest.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2019 20:59:17 GMT -5
I think that's one of the biggest issues I have with social media these days. Many years ago directors, actors, and writers could make certain claims without it blowing up needlessly. Now a director of Scorsese's caliber gives his opinion about what he views as cinema and all of a sudden it's everywhere. Fans of the MCU claiming that he's a jealous hater and that he's overrated. Martin Scorsese is a fantastic director who has made classic films. I'd love for him to take a stab at a superhero film if I am completely honest. A Scorsese-directed Daredevil, Punisher, or Batman would be amazing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2019 21:02:49 GMT -5
I think that's one of the biggest issues I have with social media these days. Many years ago directors, actors, and writers could make certain claims without it blowing up needlessly. Now a director of Scorsese's caliber gives his opinion about what he views as cinema and all of a sudden it's everywhere. Fans of the MCU claiming that he's a jealous hater and that he's overrated. Martin Scorsese is a fantastic director who has made classic films. I'd love for him to take a stab at a superhero film if I am completely honest. A Scorsese-directed Daredevil, Punisher, or Batman would be amazing. Now that you mention it I wouldn't mind seeing "Arkham Asylum" adapted with Scorsese behind the camera. "Taxi Driver" is about as close as Scorsese has gotten to directing a Punisher film. That one scene with Bickle staring down a pimp just reminded me of how much of a missed opportunity it was to have De Niro play Castle.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2019 21:54:53 GMT -5
"Taxi Driver" is about as close as Scorsese has gotten to directing a Punisher film. That one scene with Bickle staring down a pimp just reminded me of how much of a missed opportunity it was to have De Niro play Castle. Pretty much what I was thinking. Scorsese may have a low opinion of the typical Marvel fare, but there's characters and stories that could've come from his own mind.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 26, 2019 7:15:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd rather someone like Scorsese not do a superhero movie. Say what you will about the genre, but Marvel have given a lot of chances to relative unknowns to show what they can do with a big budget and it's paid off for the most part. Guys leave their umbrella able to write their own ticket and make 'real' cinema if they want to, look at the Russos, pre marvel they were primarily comedy TV guys, they got their break and now they're moving on to dramas about PTSD... I'd rather guys like that get their break than have big names halfass it because they don't take what they're doing seriously.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2019 7:35:16 GMT -5
There is one thing I do take issue with when people are arguing about this whole thing: the idea that the major studios are "just producing what the audience wants" by making as many franchise/blockbuster/remake/tentpole etc. movies as they currently do.
It's not a totally wrong thing to say, but there's a pretty strong chicken or the egg game going on in Hollywood right now: the studios are kind of dictating the audience's tastes by only producing certain kinds of films. Gilliam almost had a good point before he went completely tone deaf on the creative process of Black Panther when he mentioned something a lot of us in this thread have said, how the "middle class" of cinema is dying since you basically either get tentpoles or indy films with very little in between nowadays, but some of that isn't just a matter of "well, it's what the audience will pay for!", it's also the studios having a business model that's predicated on making sure that's what the audience goes to see.
After Disney's acquisition of Fox there was a Terrence Malick film ready to be distributed, and a number of theaters were asking to get it. Unfortunately, this happened (Twitter thread, so click the embed to read the entire thing by a New York Magazine writer/critic):
Basically, Disney told smaller/regional movie theaters that if they wanted the film, it HAD to have an entire screen dedicated to it for entire days, no one or two-off showings per day, the same demands they have when they release a Star Wars or Marvel movie. Translation? Most cinemas had to shrug and say "I guess we're not going to be showing that movie, then." It's only going to get worse because we're sliding back into the era where the studios will own movie theaters, and the age of high concept films without too much insane money behind them will increasingly become a thing of the past. This is largely because the major studios either want to distribute super small movies in the hope they'll make a tidy profit, or they need their tentpole franchises to break $1 billion or be considered a failure (gotta please those stockholders, don'tcha know!), so there's little room anymore for projects that try something new, weird, or risky on more than a shoestring budget.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 4, 2020 1:13:32 GMT -5
Surprise surprise, Scorsese doesn't give a shit about DC movies either.
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