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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 23, 2019 22:18:00 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 22:22:19 GMT -5
Interesting .
I definitely think it is all downhill from here,they got their big deals but they aren`t impressing.I would sell my shares and get out.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2019 22:25:14 GMT -5
Ric Flair looks like Joker is currently electrocuting him with a joy buzzer from '89 Batman.
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Post by Perd on Oct 23, 2019 22:26:07 GMT -5
They’re just mad that RNN scooped them on all the Randy Orton injury news way back when.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 23, 2019 22:33:19 GMT -5
I read something a week or so ago about how there was this perception that WWE was entering a new boom period at least from the view of the business world. It blew my mind how anyone could objectively look at the product and come to that conclusion. So the only thing I can fathom is that they overvalued the market penetration the Fox deal would give them and how effective they would be at reinvigorating lapsed fans back into the fold. So a plummet like this seems to fit based on how poorly SmackDown has already performed less than a month into its 5 year deal.
It's hard to understand why anyone would have positive speculation for the company right now when a lot of their biggest revenue right now aren't even performance based. There isn't really much if any incentive for them to turn things around at any level so long as they're still making billions for next to nothing. Fox can advertise the show on key demo slots all they like, but none of that is going to incentivise people to go back and watch the show once they've seen what's on offer. I'm sure the stock will bounce back to some point, but long term there's no signs of WWE being a healthy company in the state it's in right now. They need almost a complete managerial overhaul to fix their biggest problems.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Oct 23, 2019 22:49:15 GMT -5
When non-wrestling media covers wrestling it's always tough to get past that first paragraph where they cram in every wrestling related pun they can think of
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 23:02:20 GMT -5
Alvarez said that he heard that besides there possibly being more releases coming, he was told that backstage morale was bad again post the SD Fox debut. He was told that some people in the company said they couldn't even watch Raw and well, at the end of the day it's still bad backstage. Like stated, this whole thing is just going to be on rails until they have some big changes and not some big changes as in more lights and cameras but more managerial and structure changes. Whether it's being out with Vince, whether it's changing how things are done as a whole, the structure's been the problem.
What's interesting about the article is that they're saying that there's hope and yeah, there is hope. It's just a matter of how bad it'll be before some major stuff happens. We'll see but I doubt they're just going to die or end up being forced into bankruptcy or anything. I'm predicting them to stay on the downhill until the XFL starts and then that's when the major changes will hit given Vince just won't have time to juggle 2 big promotions like that. Until then it'll just stay in the "damn, I don't wanna go to work" period for those in the company.
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Post by dpg on Oct 24, 2019 1:34:00 GMT -5
The Fox and Saudi money is great for them. Every other metric is down, way down.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Oct 24, 2019 2:18:42 GMT -5
When non-wrestling media covers wrestling it's always tough to get past that first paragraph where they cram in every wrestling related pun they can think of Didn't make a big "splash" on you, huh? The writer thought it'd be a big "slam" on the readers.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 24, 2019 2:24:33 GMT -5
When non-wrestling media covers wrestling it's always tough to get past that first paragraph where they cram in every wrestling related pun they can think of Didn't make a big "splash" on you, huh? The writer thought it'd be a big "slam" on the readers. It "Spanish Flew" right over my head.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 24, 2019 5:48:05 GMT -5
Interesting to see that international TV deals still need to be hammered out, curious what effect those could have. Obviously the deals in the US are big, but it seemed like they got a worse deal in the UK recently, or at least less exposure, so I wonder how that might carry over to other spots around the world. But yeah, as of now it does seem like there's really nowhere higher for the promotion to go in terms of deals like the ones they currently have, not with fan engagement continuing to slip. That said, a ton will depend on where the TV industry is in five years: a big reason they got all the money they did this time around was Fox's lust for live broadcast material in the era of cord cutting, so I suppose things could be in such a state by then that even a hobbled WWE might get another big contract, but it all remains to be seen. Didn't make a big "splash" on you, huh? The writer thought it'd be a big "slam" on the readers. It "Spanish Flew" right over my head. If I were an investor, it would have certainly "squashed" my expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 7:43:36 GMT -5
nobody thought "this is a bubble" when a wrestling stock was approaching 100?
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 24, 2019 7:51:35 GMT -5
When non-wrestling media covers wrestling it's always tough to get past that first paragraph where they cram in every wrestling related pun they can think of Imagine being pinned after just one whip into the turnbuckle. This writer just lost all credibility!
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 24, 2019 7:54:55 GMT -5
I mean. We all saw this coming here.
They got the FOX deal and all of us were like, "Oh, that's not gonna end well."
The thing is they have all the talent in the world. In-ring, writing staff, everything.
There's a bottleneck keeping them from properly succeeding with what they have right now long term, and that's Vince McMahon entertaining himself and paying people to tell him he's a genius.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 24, 2019 8:27:54 GMT -5
I mean. We all saw this coming here. They got the FOX deal and all of us were like, "Oh, that's not gonna end well." The thing is they have all the talent in the world. In-ring, writing staff, everything. There's a bottleneck keeping them from properly succeeding with what they have right now long term, and that's Vince McMahon entertaining himself and paying people to tell him he's a genius. Honestly, it does make me a little.. I don't know if I'd say happy, this kind of story. All the times wrestlers talk about how the fans should just be happy, don't know anything etc. Pretty much all of us saw this coming and it is a little bit satisfying to have people in the field backing us up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:10:09 GMT -5
I mean. We all saw this coming here. They got the FOX deal and all of us were like, "Oh, that's not gonna end well." The thing is they have all the talent in the world. In-ring, writing staff, everything. There's a bottleneck keeping them from properly succeeding with what they have right now long term, and that's Vince McMahon entertaining himself and paying people to tell him he's a genius. Current WWE reminds me of TNA a decade ago, where they had like the best roster in wrestling, but an idiot in charge somehow making an unwatchable show with them. Also, I bet Vince McMahon shrugs this off as "fake news" since CNN and TNT are owned by the same parent company.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 24, 2019 9:15:19 GMT -5
I mean. We all saw this coming here. They got the FOX deal and all of us were like, "Oh, that's not gonna end well." The thing is they have all the talent in the world. In-ring, writing staff, everything. There's a bottleneck keeping them from properly succeeding with what they have right now long term, and that's Vince McMahon entertaining himself and paying people to tell him he's a genius. Honestly, it does make me a little.. I don't know if I'd say happy, this kind of story. All the times wrestlers talk about how the fans should just be happy, don't know anything etc. Pretty much all of us saw this coming and it is a little bit satisfying to have people in the field backing us up. vindicated. You are feeling vindicated
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 24, 2019 9:22:46 GMT -5
Do they do this for other sorts of companies? When they discuss the NFL, do they talk about how they'll "tackle" their next TV deals?
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 24, 2019 9:30:08 GMT -5
It "Spanish Flew" right over my head. If I were an investor, it would have certainly "squashed" my expectations. Hey, they were doing their "job", nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Oct 24, 2019 9:30:47 GMT -5
Honestly, it does make me a little.. I don't know if I'd say happy, this kind of story. All the times wrestlers talk about how the fans should just be happy, don't know anything etc. Pretty much all of us saw this coming and it is a little bit satisfying to have people in the field backing us up. vindicated. You are feeling vindicated The prevailing view on here prior to the Fox deal was that this was going to be the reckoning for Vince and they'd have to accept a much worse TV deal than the one they had... and then they landed a billion dollars. I'd chill on the victory lap.
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