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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 17, 2019 12:31:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't totally disagree. Not the best of all time, but it's one of my, well, modern favorites. Lost a step and it's just another good show, but still makes me chuckle a lot. Yeah..and the little I’ve seen of recent stuff, some of the sharpness has waned, but a lot of MF is done well. I don’t get the hate. I think cause it's downgraded from the phenom it started as. It's settled into a perfectly acceptable sitcom, IMO. That or resentment of being the network's "favorite" in its heyday? Maybe there's other little things. Like most of the characters being the same after 11 years or attempting to be so. Also not unseeing Ariel Winter's online antics. That the girl who plays Lily JUST CAN'T ACT. (as I said before, after Family Guy did a cutaway on the topic, I can't unsee that. It's mean and she's a pre-teen, but they're not wrong.) EDIT: the cutaway in question.
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Post by Fade on Nov 17, 2019 12:40:53 GMT -5
Yeah..and the little I’ve seen of recent stuff, some of the sharpness has waned, but a lot of MF is done well. I don’t get the hate. I think cause it's downgraded from the phenom it started as. It's settled into a perfectly acceptable sitcom, IMO. That or resentment of being the network's "favorite" in its heyday? Maybe there's other little things. Like most of the characters being the same after 11 years or attempting to be so. Also not unseeing Ariel Winter's online antics. That the girl who plays Lily JUST CAN'T ACT. (as I said before, after Family Guy did a cutaway on the topic, I can't unsee that. It's mean and she's a pre-teen, but they're not wrong.) EDIT: the cutaway in question. Yeah..I came in after the hype and was surprised to find some really great characters, humor, and even some genuine-y sentiment. I will say the kids are bad though. In a weird way, older they got, worse they got but I always felt the show still worked despite that.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 17, 2019 12:45:33 GMT -5
I think cause it's downgraded from the phenom it started as. It's settled into a perfectly acceptable sitcom, IMO. That or resentment of being the network's "favorite" in its heyday? Maybe there's other little things. Like most of the characters being the same after 11 years or attempting to be so. Also not unseeing Ariel Winter's online antics. That the girl who plays Lily JUST CAN'T ACT. (as I said before, after Family Guy did a cutaway on the topic, I can't unsee that. It's mean and she's a pre-teen, but they're not wrong.) EDIT: the cutaway in question. Yeah..I came in after the hype and was surprised to find some really great characters, humor, and even some genuine-y sentiment. I will say the kids are bad though. In a weird way, older they got, worse they got but I always felt the show still worked despite that. They're not horrible, but I can see some of your points. Actually not as many as you have. Luke did outgrow being the quirky kid, but now he really doesn't have any distinct quality. Lily you already know. The others are still trying to keep their characterizations from when they were 10 years younger. But not as blatant. Also they are trying to be the same characters while growing up to be "pretty people." The Middle kids actually did this a lot better. They kept the same quirks and humor, but it felt more organic.
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Post by ERON on Nov 17, 2019 13:43:38 GMT -5
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin aren't bad movies; they just aren't the kind of Batman movies people were hoping for. To enjoy them properly, one has to set aside one's preconceptions of what a Batman movie should be, and view them solely as campy 1960s TV show adaptations along the lines of the Addams Family, Brady Bunch, and Beverly Hillbillies movies that came out around the same time.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 17, 2019 13:48:32 GMT -5
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin aren't bad movies; they just aren't the kind of Batman movies people were hoping for. To enjoy them properly, one has to set aside one's preconceptions of what a Batman movie should be, and view them solely as campy 1960s TV show adaptations along the lines of the Addams Family, Brady Bunch, and Beverly Hillbillies movies that came out around the same time. And to follow up, the Alfred stuff in B&R was well done, and Arnold DID seem like he was having fun with the material he was given (heck, almost all of his lines from that film have become memes).
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 17, 2019 15:15:39 GMT -5
The Batman was a perfectly fine cartoon that got unfairly ignored because it wasnt a DCAU show. Ditto Legion of Superheroes (though the first season was weak).
I liked Zan and Jayna
I actually like the DePatie/Freleng Road Runner shorts, Boulder Wham and The Solid Tin Coyote in particular (the Daffy/Speedy, Cool Cat, Merlin the Magic Mouse, and Bunny and Claude shorts on the other hand,,).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 15:23:20 GMT -5
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin aren't bad movies; they just aren't the kind of Batman movies people were hoping for. To enjoy them properly, one has to set aside one's preconceptions of what a Batman movie should be, and view them solely as campy 1960s TV show adaptations along the lines of the Addams Family, Brady Bunch, and Beverly Hillbillies movies that came out around the same time. I agree somewhat - while definitely flawed and not up to the level of the movies before it, Batman Forever is still a pretty fun watch and I can totally sit through it. Batman & Robin though... Just, no. It's not even really a complaint about how stupid it is, more it's just a really boring grind where most of the scenes have nothing to do with each other. Which I guess you can also leverage at the Burton movies but those have enough going for them I really enjoy them anyway.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 17, 2019 15:24:03 GMT -5
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin aren't bad movies; they just aren't the kind of Batman movies people were hoping for. To enjoy them properly, one has to set aside one's preconceptions of what a Batman movie should be, and view them solely as campy 1960s TV show adaptations along the lines of the Addams Family, Brady Bunch, and Beverly Hillbillies movies that came out around the same time. You know something? Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are far better written than Burton's Batman movies. They actually have characters with motives working toward a goal whereas Batman 89 and Batman Returns are just a series of events that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 15:27:12 GMT -5
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin aren't bad movies; they just aren't the kind of Batman movies people were hoping for. To enjoy them properly, one has to set aside one's preconceptions of what a Batman movie should be, and view them solely as campy 1960s TV show adaptations along the lines of the Addams Family, Brady Bunch, and Beverly Hillbillies movies that came out around the same time. You know something? Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are far better written than Burton's Batman movies. They actually have characters with motives working toward a goal whereas Batman 89 and Batman Returns are just a series of events that happen. Honestly even being aware of this flaw in them I greatly prefer the Burton movies, but this is the exact reason I'd a lot rather watch Spider-Man 3 than Spider-Man 1. At least it makes an attempt at an actual plot.
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Post by thechase on Nov 17, 2019 17:01:19 GMT -5
Batman and Robin is better than Endgame.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 17, 2019 17:07:12 GMT -5
Community season 4 was fine. Its not quite as good as the first three, but it was hardly a insulting betrayal of the series, and does some characters in more nuanced fashion that Harmon was willing to do at points. I always roll my eyes at the "gas leak" line in reference to it, given some of the weaker elements seen in season 5 & 6.
James Franco gave the strongest and most consistent performances in the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy (though Rosemary Harris is a close second). Kirsten Dunst is not given enough meaty material to do, Defoe is gloriously hammy but lacks strong nuance, Molina is too restricted by the sentient tentacles plot line, and MaGuire while great as Peter Parker, just isn't terribly interesting as Spider-Man.
While aging in many respects, the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man shows deserve more credit for introducing long running story arcs in Western cartoons.
Captain Kirk is not a terribly strong character in Nu-Trek and that's due entirely to the scripts. Chris Pine is clearly capable of delivering as a likable lead if the writing's there. Steve Trevor is not exactly the same character, but its a performance with believable empathy, thoughtfulness, and charm. The dancing scene between him and Diana in Wonder Woman allows Pine to express more dimensions in a character in five minutes than nu-Trek lets him in two and half movies.
Last Crusade, while having weaker villains, is better than Raiders of the Lost Ark. Indy's relationship with his dad has more interesting dimensions than the one with Marion, and Marcus is a much more fun character.
Walter White is a fascinating, compelling, and deeply strong character on Breaking Bad, but even early on he was never really sympathetic. He emphasized his pride over the well being of his family from the first season, and in comparison to Jimmy McGill, is much more selfish even before he became involved with crime.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 17, 2019 17:14:07 GMT -5
Yes, compared to Marvin and Wendy...whose episodes weren't that bad either. Yes it was pacifistic stuff with misunderstood professors and aliens and all, but the tropes that plagued the show didn't settle in yet.
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Post by ERON on Nov 17, 2019 17:18:25 GMT -5
- I think a lot of people who say that G1 Transformers doesn't hold up are only re-watching the first season. Season 1 is every bit the formulaic 30-minute toy commercial people say it is. The same goes for Season 2 up to a point, but then it throws out the formula and turns into a very fun anything-goes adventure series. And then Season 3 kicks it up a notch and veers into hard-boiled SF.
- My favorite parts of the original Star Wars movies have always been the space battles. I'd love to see a new SW trilogy that shoves the Jedi nonsense into the background and focuses on the X-Wing pilots.
- I like Spider-Man 3 just as much as the other 2 Raimi Spider-Man films. I've always theorized that most of the hate 3 gets is due to people being upset at the way Venom was portrayed and taking it out on the whole film. But I never cared for Venom as a character to begin with, so his portrayal doesn't bother me at all.
- The only Tarantino films worth watching are the Kill Bill movies (which are amazing), Reservoir Dogs, the first half of Death Proof, and Samuel L. Jackson's scenes in Pulp Fiction.
- License to Kill, Goldeneye, and Casino Royale are the only post-Roger Moore Bond movies worth watching.
- Ghostbusters 2 is just as good as the first one. "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!" is as iconic a line as any from GB1. (EDIT: Never mind, that line's from GB1, too.)
- The more I watch older movies, the more I grow to hate modern film-making in general. Modern movies are more like 2+ hour music videos, with all their constant camera movement, quick cuts, and continuously blaring background music.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 17, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -5
- Ghostbusters 2 is just as good as the first one. "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!" is as iconic a line as any from GB1. It is a line from GB1.
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Post by ERON on Nov 17, 2019 18:22:24 GMT -5
- Ghostbusters 2 is just as good as the first one. "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!" is as iconic a line as any from GB1. It is a line from GB1. D'oh! You're right. My memory isn't what it used to be. I still stand by the rest of my statement, though.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 17, 2019 18:49:46 GMT -5
Boruto is better than Naruto
Better Off Ted was incredibly underrated and deserved more than two seasons
Drew Carey isnt that great of a host for Price is Right. He's not bad, but he has none of Bob's charm.
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Post by schizo on Nov 17, 2019 21:27:48 GMT -5
Boruto is better than Naruto Better Off Ted was incredibly underrated and deserved more than two seasons Drew Carey isnt that great of a host for Price is Right. He's not bad, but he has none of Bob's charm. Also, Bob barker beat the crap out of Adam Sandler, can Drew claim that?
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Post by Shark on Nov 17, 2019 21:49:13 GMT -5
Okay, this one is going to surprise you. The new Charlie's Angels movie was actually very entertaining. It's a shame the film experts of the Internet still pigeonhole Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for starring in Twilight, because they're both excellent actors. They themselves have openly made fun of those movies too. I enjoyed the entire run of Big Bang Theory. I thought it was funny and the characters actually grew and evolved during the course of the show. The 4 guys all started as unabashed dorks with various levels of social awkwardness and by the end, they were all actually well adjusted adults. They went from being stock caricatures to being fully fleshed out 3 dimensional characters.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 17, 2019 21:52:51 GMT -5
How I Met Your Mother is my favorite sitcom of all time. Also, I have no problem with the ending.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 18, 2019 6:12:07 GMT -5
Okay, this one is going to surprise you. The new Charlie's Angels movie was actually very entertaining. It's a shame the film experts of the Internet still pigeonhole Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for starring in Twilight, because they're both excellent actors. You could have had prime Alec Guinnes and Audrey Hepburn cast, and they still would have stunk the place up, because the material and direction is below abysmal.
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