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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 24, 2019 20:23:57 GMT -5
I will say this as someone who is dating someone with anxiety and depression, when someone who deals with mental illness has an episode things are taken personally even if not meant to be. There's a need for positive reinforcement and letting that person know you are there for them. So if Mauro was really struggling over the weekend and Graves's tweet is the reason he isn't working tonight, I believe it. Whether you like Mauro or not I hope he is okay
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 24, 2019 20:24:06 GMT -5
Mauro has deleted his twitter too. Probably has nothing to do with this but a strange tweet. What was the commentary like last night? Was Mauro overbearing or something or is Corey trying to be edgy? We pretty much mock mauro for being extra and lame with the rap references. But i guess graves opinion matters. Eh
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 24, 2019 20:24:27 GMT -5
also worth pointing out Mauro might not even be depressed about it - just demonstrating that Corey's a totally worthless wank in a company that lets utter bollocks like this go on. He's always got other optons, he might just love what he does and shit like this makes it very much not worth it. Why is what he said being made out to be like he called Mauro's mom a whore and insulted his children? The guy commented on Mauro hogging every single second of commentator time. WHICH WAS TRUE. Is it problematic because Mauro's been open about his issues with mental health disorders, or because we don't like Corey Graves, because the message itself was not at all bad. It was factual. Its clearly a problem if Mauro's f***ed off, so the lesson for Corey is don't purse your lips, narrow your eyes, put on your nicest Paisley blazer and tweet it to the kind of societal menacse who follows Corey Graves on Twitter
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Post by A damn road sign on Nov 24, 2019 20:24:52 GMT -5
in Mauro's defence he doesn't have a coiled turd on his head ala Corey Graves If that was a hair joke Corey’s actually had a buzzcut months now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:26:11 GMT -5
Why is what he said being made out to be like he called Mauro's mom a whore and insulted his children? The guy commented on Mauro hogging every single second of commentator time. WHICH WAS TRUE. Is it problematic because Mauro's been open about his issues with mental health disorders, or because we don't like Corey Graves, because the message itself was not at all bad. It was factual. You don't get it.
This isn't about if what Corey said was right, this is about the fact that everyone knows that Mauro would get this way if it was done given it's happened in the past with JBL. Graves knew this and still did it which shows Graves is either an asshole or (unlikely) that Graves didn't know. You keep talking about if it's right or not what he said when we're not talking about what's a fact, we're talking about someone's health here. The tweets were clearly a public negative shot on Mauro so why are you acting like that's ok?
Some of you all need to read up about mental health and understand that when it comes to someone's health that's the most important thing. You saying "well he was right" is just saying "well I care more about what's right or not rather than how that comment would affect someone" and that's a problem.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 24, 2019 20:26:23 GMT -5
Mauro has deleted his twitter too. Probably has nothing to do with this but a strange tweet. What was the commentary like last night? Was Mauro overbearing or something or is Corey trying to be edgy? We pretty much mock mauro for being extra and lame with the rap references. But i guess graves opinion matters. Eh nobody on the forum works for WWE and with Mauro Ranallo where he'll likely get wind of a pissy tweet from the walking definition of tofu in seconds from other people seond hand so this isn't something you needed to mention
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 24, 2019 20:28:43 GMT -5
Seriously, fire Graves. Fire him publicly so anyone else who thinks they can do what Graves did knows they'll be fired too.
Also show a live stream of Graves reaction to being fired.
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Post by eJm on Nov 24, 2019 20:29:20 GMT -5
I’m going to say this as a general reference;
For the sake of this discussion, I don’t care about what you think of Mauro. I don’t care if you think he’s great or he sucks, if you noticed he spoke over everyone at Takeover or you didn’t. Hell, I’m going to remove Mario’s mental health history from this for a second.
If you think criticizing someone you work with in public on a platform seen by millions of followers is acceptable...I don’t know what to tell you except, in my opinion, you’re wrong. If you did that in any other job, you’d be called aside by your bosses AT LEAST. This is one of the reasons why I say WWE needs a social media policy.
Putting that mental health history back in, with everything Mauro’s been open with over the years...Jesus, Graves.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Nov 24, 2019 20:29:30 GMT -5
Yeah but people can’t just keep using that as a scapegoat or as a get out of jail free card every single time and I’m someone that battled depression for many years. As someone who's battled depression for many years, you should know that everyone's depression is different and what happened with you isn't the same as others. Even so, that's not the point. We saw what happened with Mauro and JBL in the past and Graves doing it now is giving the same result.
This isn't about if what Graves said was right, this is about the fact that we know he has issues with this and Graves did it knowing what would happen. That's something he shouldn't have done regardless of people's opinion on his commentary.
No one knows how he was going to react, yes I agree Corey was kind of a dickhead about it, but on the flip side not everyone has to treat you with kid gloves either, that does far more harm than good. People need to stop telling others what they want to hear, they should tell them what they need to hear in order to truly help them out. I don’t agree with Corey publicly going on twitter about it, he could’ve talked to him man to man, but even then who knows if that would’ve triggered Mauro the same way. We live in a society that does far too much coddling and it’s kind of sickening, it really opened my own eyes as to how I was hiding from and reacting to things that I let affect me more than they should have.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 24, 2019 20:31:21 GMT -5
I've changed my mind, i'd rather everyone who has concept of nuance, politeness, workplace ethics and general nice behaviour leaves WWE to people like Corey because itll go bankrupt quicker
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Post by Pierre the Renaissance Man on Nov 24, 2019 20:33:42 GMT -5
also worth pointing out Mauro might not even be depressed about it - just demonstrating that Corey's a totally worthless wank in a company that lets utter bollocks like this go on. He's always got other optons, he might just love what he does and shit like this makes it very much not worth it. Why is what he said being made out to be like he called Mauro's mom a whore and insulted his children? The guy commented on Mauro hogging every single second of commentator time. WHICH WAS TRUE. Is it problematic because Mauro's been open about his issues with mental health disorders, or because we don't like Corey Graves, because the message itself was not at all bad. It was factual. A big part of it is because people don’t like Graves. People in the business have been criticizing Seth Rollins. I bet if he deleted Twitter and didn’t want to show up to work then the people who hate him would say he’s just being a baby.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 24, 2019 20:35:02 GMT -5
oh my god
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:40:42 GMT -5
Theres a difference between fans giving an opinion and a work colleague who knows you and performs the same job as you doing it on social media to try and appear edgy
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Post by ssdrivin on Nov 24, 2019 20:42:25 GMT -5
also worth pointing out Mauro might not even be depressed about it - just demonstrating that Corey's a totally worthless wank in a company that lets utter bollocks like this go on. He's always got other optons, he might just love what he does and shit like this makes it very much not worth it. Why is what he said being made out to be like he called Mauro's mom a whore and insulted his children? The guy commented on Mauro hogging every single second of commentator time. WHICH WAS TRUE. Is it problematic because Mauro's been open about his issues with mental health disorders, or because we don't like Corey Graves, because the message itself was not at all bad. It was factual.
Tact. Timing. Context.
Let's say you have a friend, that friend isn't very good at... I dunno, whatever it is, hooking up for relationships, for example. You could explain some stuff to them quietly over drinks in your/their home, friend to friend, you could explain that some of the things they do or say maybe aren't hitting the mark, give them some tips, some encouragement, y'know, being helpful and understanding.
Alternatively, you could stand up in the middle of a mildly busy bar and yell "HAHA, JESUS, NO WONDER YOU NEVER HAVE SEX, BOY DO YOU SUCK, GOD, YOU STINK AND YOUR JOKES ARE CRAP, AND WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR HOBBIES ANYWAY? AS IF A WOMAN'S GONNA BE COOL WITH YOUR ACTION FIGURE COLLECTION, AM I RIGHT?"
They might both contain essentially the same message underneath (like "maybe tweak your appearance a little, scrub up a little more, re-balance what you talk about with people who don't know you, etc") - it'd still be a tough message to hear, but it comes from a place of wanting to help out your buddy who's having a little trouble. Unless you decide to publicly humiliate them with that same message in a place with an awful lot of people, now it's not a friendly nudge, it's a mental assault.
Now imagine that friend has been super down about not having a partner, 'cos everyone else seems to have a partner and they've got nobody to share their life with, and they thought you were there for them. Well, now they can't be sure you're there for them any more, you just turned around their weakness, their fears, their concerns around on them. You just took a baseball bat to what was left of their self-confidence, self-respect, hopes, comforts, and aspirations.
I don't think it needs to be said, but that's not cool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:42:25 GMT -5
I've changed my mind, i'd rather everyone who has concept of nuance, politeness, workplace ethics and general nice behaviour leaves WWE to people like Corey because itll go bankrupt quicker
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 24, 2019 20:43:29 GMT -5
If all this is due to Graves and he isn’t in some way reprimanded ..that’s..that isn’t a good look.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:44:13 GMT -5
Honestly I love Mauro so I don’t understand the issue with him (From my prospective, everyone entitled to their own opinion)
Having said that, Graves is one to talk. You couldn’t take a torch to his brass neck. Plus great idea, to publicly mock a fellow employee especially one with mental health issues
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 24, 2019 20:44:13 GMT -5
I've changed my mind, i'd rather everyone who has concept of nuance, politeness, workplace ethics and general nice behaviour leaves WWE to people like Corey because itll go bankrupt quicker I think seeing this gif as a reply to that particular post is absolutely perfect
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Nov 24, 2019 20:44:40 GMT -5
I’m going to say this as a general reference; For the sake of this discussion, I don’t care about what you think of Mauro. I don’t care if you think he’s great or he sucks, if you noticed he spoke over everyone at Takeover or you didn’t. Hell, I’m going to remove Mario’s mental health history from this for a second. If you think criticizing someone you work with in public on a platform seen by millions of followers is acceptable...I don’t know what to tell you except, in my opinion, you’re wrong. If you did that in any other job, you’d be called aside by your bosses AT LEAST. This is one of the reasons why I say WWE needs a social media policy. Putting that mental health history back in, with everything Mauro’s been open with over the years...Jesus, Graves. So like. Just going by what you’re saying. Not counting the mental health and stuff. Would you or anyone else for that matter feel the same if this was a dig at Lawlers commentary. Or coles commentary? Because from what I’ve seen ripping on those guys is an approved gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:48:41 GMT -5
I’m going to say this as a general reference; For the sake of this discussion, I don’t care about what you think of Mauro. I don’t care if you think he’s great or he sucks, if you noticed he spoke over everyone at Takeover or you didn’t. Hell, I’m going to remove Mario’s mental health history from this for a second. If you think criticizing someone you work with in public on a platform seen by millions of followers is acceptable...I don’t know what to tell you except, in my opinion, you’re wrong. If you did that in any other job, you’d be called aside by your bosses AT LEAST. This is one of the reasons why I say WWE needs a social media policy. Putting that mental health history back in, with everything Mauro’s been open with over the years...Jesus, Graves. So like. Just going by what you’re saying. Not counting the mental health and stuff. Would you or anyone else for that matter feel the same if this was a dig at Lawlers commentary. Or coles commentary? Because from what I’ve seen ripping on those guys is an approved gimmick. I'd say the same thing against anyone who was in their position. I for example started my first post in this thread saying that I'm a fan of Graves. Some people in this topic are using the "well people don't like Graves" defense when speaking about it and honestly that's the real scapegoat in this. That's putting everyone in the same bucket and yet many of us having even said anything negative against Graves prior to this thread.
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