Zen411
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Post by Zen411 on Dec 7, 2019 22:18:16 GMT -5
I came across a match Hogan vs Typhoon on a Coliseum video release on the network called Invasion 92. I had no idea this match ever happened after Tugboats heel turn. I am surprised it wasn't given any more importance or used for a Saturday nights main event or something.
There was a hint of bad blood between Hogan and Tugboat at a Battle Royale in early 91 I believe and either Hogan eliminated tugboat or vice versa. Nothing much came of it besides the disasters team that had nothing to do with hogan. But I liked the angry look on tugboats face in his stare down with hogan.
So apparently months later typhoon managed by jimmy hart faced Hogan in a fairly bland match. There was really no emotion between two former best buds. Tugboat was rarely on the offensive and just went through the motions. I know heel fred ottman when he was US steel or big steel man was incredibly violent and aggressive. This typhoon performance was weak at best. Why couldn't typhoon have had an important and aggressive match with hogan??
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 8, 2019 4:19:09 GMT -5
Because, "that doesn't work for me, brother."
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 8, 2019 4:24:46 GMT -5
I guess once they decided not make Typhoon the Iraqi sympathizer, they just got it over as quick as possible. Tugboat turned because of Hogan, so they had to do a little something.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 8, 2019 6:40:35 GMT -5
It most likely had more to do with Hogan then Typhoon as to why that match was how it was. With Hogan from 92 onwards it was very bare minimum when it came to his in ring work as at that point in his career he wasn't going to be killing himself out there because one he probably didn't feel like it and two he really didn't have to. With the mind set he was in at that point it would be hard to expect him to have a "violent and aggressive" match against Typhoon of all people for a home video release.
I would say mid 91 after his feud Slaughter marked the end of Hogan being a guy who was going to be putting on good matches. Hogan's last couple of years in WWF and first few years in WCW before he went heel was super lame. Almost all of his matches were bad and his character was super tired and played out. His matches were still bad for the most part after his heel turn but at least he was a lot more entertaining character wise.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 8, 2019 10:16:34 GMT -5
Remember as told by Bruce before Sgt. Slaughter came into the mix Sheik Tugboat was one of the ideas for Wrestlemania 7
Hogan actually eliminates Tugboat from The Royal Rumble and The SNME battle royal so they still planted seeds for Tugboat’s transition to Typhoon
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Post by cjh on Dec 8, 2019 11:01:34 GMT -5
Remember as told by Bruce before Sgt. Slaughter came into the mix Sheik Tugboat was one of the ideas for Wrestlemania 7 Hogan actually eliminates Tugboat from The Royal Rumble and The SNME battle royal so they still planted seeds for Tugboat’s transition to Typhoon In the SNME battle royal, Tugboat eliminated Hogan. He walked up when Hogan was trying to eliminate Kato and dumped both of them.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 8, 2019 11:20:23 GMT -5
It most likely had more to do with Hogan then Typhoon as to why that match was how it was. With Hogan from 92 onwards it was very bare minimum when it came to his in ring work as at that point in his career he wasn't going to be killing himself out there because one he probably didn't feel like it and two he really didn't have to. With the mind set he was in at that point it would be hard to expect him to have a "violent and aggressive" match against Typhoon of all people for a home video release. I would say mid 91 after his feud Slaughter marked the end of Hogan being a guy who was going to be putting on good matches. Hogan's last couple of years in WWF and first few years in WCW before he went heel was super lame. Almost all of his matches were bad and his character was super tired and played out. His matches were still bad for the most part after his heel turn but at least he was a lot more entertaining character wise. After the Slaughter feud he just started to work incredibly light. I know it’s a work, but it looked like a bad B-movie level of fighting. Just the softest punches and almost no movement. His first WCW match with Vader is about the only exception because I think Hulk was dishing out some receipts to Vader for how stiff he works.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 13:56:56 GMT -5
Hogan/Typhoon actually happened, in 1992...... wow. Hogan actually eliminates Tugboat from The Royal Rumble and The SNME battle royal so they still planted seeds for Tugboat’s transition to Typhoon Actually, Tugboat eliminated Hogan in that SNME match, and HBK (still a Rocker) knocks Tugboat out seconds later. But it would be 2 months until his heel turn, I don't recall *any* other instances of Tugboat having heel tendencies (against Hogan or anyone) and then, like a week or 2 after fighting Iraqi Slaughter on Prime Time wrestling, turns heel against........the Bushwackers. Granted, that gets you heel heat galore, but OTOH don't recall any promo work explaining his heel turn, which one thinks coulda turned into an anti-Hogan thing (fans turned against him, blah blah blah) to firm up his heel status. Ah well.
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Post by cjh on Dec 8, 2019 14:48:48 GMT -5
Hogan/Typhoon actually happened, in 1992...... wow.Hogan actually eliminates Tugboat from The Royal Rumble and The SNME battle royal so they still planted seeds for Tugboat’s transition to Typhoon Actually, Tugboat eliminated Hogan in that SNME match, and HBK (still a Rocker) knocks Tugboat out seconds later. But it would be 2 months until his heel turn, I don't recall *any* other instances of Tugboat having heel tendencies (against Hogan or anyone) and then, like a week or 2 after fighting Iraqi Slaughter on Prime Time wrestling, turns heel against........the Bushwackers. Granted, that gets you heel heat galore, but OTOH don't recall any promo work explaining his heel turn, which one thinks coulda turned into an anti-Hogan thing (fans turned against him, blah blah blah) to firm up his heel status. Ah well. The Hogan/Typhoon match on the "Invasion '92" tape was from Dec. 2, 1991, the night before Tuesday in Texas.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 8, 2019 17:28:24 GMT -5
Hogan/Typhoon actually happened, in 1992...... wow. Hogan actually eliminates Tugboat from The Royal Rumble and The SNME battle royal so they still planted seeds for Tugboat’s transition to Typhoon Actually, Tugboat eliminated Hogan in that SNME match, and HBK (still a Rocker) knocks Tugboat out seconds later. But it would be 2 months until his heel turn, I don't recall *any* other instances of Tugboat having heel tendencies (against Hogan or anyone) and then, like a week or 2 after fighting Iraqi Slaughter on Prime Time wrestling, turns heel against........the Bushwackers. Granted, that gets you heel heat galore, but OTOH don't recall any promo work explaining his heel turn, which one thinks coulda turned into an anti-Hogan thing (fans turned against him, blah blah blah) to firm up his heel status. Ah well. I remember them explaining he was turning his back on Hulk. Maybe Tugboat was injured and Hulk never called? It was something like that.
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 8, 2019 19:33:05 GMT -5
This thread has reminded me yet again: If you have a close friendship with someone, you should not sign up for the same battle royal.
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Post by petef3 on Dec 9, 2019 0:18:10 GMT -5
No, Hogan had absolutely zero connection to the Tugboat turn. No "he didn't call him while he was hurt," nothing. When Tugboat returned from his injury at the hands of Earthquake they were buddies again. If you think you saw or heard an explanation, you've either got a false memory or are conflating something written post hoc on a message board or an in article with what actually happened. The turn was purely because "Jimmy Hart got to the Tugboat" after Andre turned down his offer to be Earthquake's tag partner.
There was some *very* subtle teasing a few weeks before he turned on the Bushwhackers, with the announcers remarking on Tugboat's newfound aggression while he was working squashes. That wasn't said by accident.
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Post by petef3 on Dec 9, 2019 0:21:46 GMT -5
And the "Sheik Tugboat" story makes absolutely no sense if that was the proposal before Slaughter returned. Before Slaughter returned, Iraq hadn't even invaded Kuwait yet--there were no relevant Middle Eastern developments to draw from. Iraq took over Kuwait starting on August 2, two weeks after the first Slaughter vignette aired. And it took another month still for Slaughter to go from the right-wing warhawk Cold War relic to the Iraqi sympathizer and to bring Adnan in.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 9, 2019 3:07:07 GMT -5
No, Hogan had absolutely zero connection to the Tugboat turn. No "he didn't call him while he was hurt," nothing. When Tugboat returned from his injury at the hands of Earthquake they were buddies again. If you think you saw or heard an explanation, you've either got a false memory or are conflating something written post hoc on a message board or an in article with what actually happened. The turn was purely because "Jimmy Hart got to the Tugboat" after Andre turned down his offer to be Earthquake's tag partner. There was some *very* subtle teasing a few weeks before he turned on the Bushwhackers, with the announcers remarking on Tugboat's newfound aggression while he was working squashes. That wasn't said by accident. During the post match Savage says “Maybe a Hulk Hogan has something to do with this” Vince says “I don’t think so, I don’t think so at all....I can’t believe Tugboat turned his back on all the little Hulkamaniacs!” While Hogan wasn’t directly involved in that, Tugboat attacking him during the Battle Royale and those comments after the turn, he didn’t exactly have nothing to do with it.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 9, 2019 7:52:57 GMT -5
Didnt Hogan yell "former friend" during that match with Typhoon?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 8:52:54 GMT -5
sex was probably involved
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 9, 2019 9:26:57 GMT -5
Would’ve sold 100,000 seats in LA
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