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Post by Dub H on Dec 11, 2019 0:44:23 GMT -5
He also answered in one of the questions that he made more money after WWE than in it
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 11, 2019 3:45:14 GMT -5
He also answered in one of the questions that he made more money after WWE than in it The Indies are way different now, opportunities are way different now. Even in comparison to two years ago, these guys have so many companies that aren't WWE that are on a National TV scale like AEW, a huge hype and talked about scale like New Japan, or a ton of Indies that have found ways to get their brand and name out there with livestreaming on the likes of Fite TV like Beyond and GCW or Twitch like Impact. Or even just doing Free Youtube like NWA Powerrr. We're way past the days of WWE being the juggernaught anymore. They have big exposure, they pay handsomley, but the options for wrestling are only getting larger and better for the industry heading into 2020, especially with New Japan starting an American branch. There are people asking for their release for a reason, they're simply not the only game in town anymore. The very thing Vince sought to snuff out, he did not cut off at the head. And it's great to see.
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Post by corndog on Dec 11, 2019 11:02:16 GMT -5
He also answered in one of the questions that he made more money after WWE than in it The Indies are way different now, opportunities are way different now. Even in comparison to two years ago, these guys have so many companies that aren't WWE that are on a National TV scale like AEW, a huge hype and talked about scale like New Japan, or a ton of Indies that have found ways to get their brand and name out there with livestreaming on the likes of Fite TV like Beyond and GCW or Twitch like Impact. Or even just doing Free Youtube like NWA Powerrr. We're way past the days of WWE being the juggernaught anymore. They have big exposure, they pay handsomley, but the options for wrestling are only getting larger and better for the industry heading into 2020, especially with New Japan starting an American branch. There are people asking for their release for a reason, they're simply not the only game in town anymore. The very thing Vince sought to snuff out, he did not cut off at the head. And it's great to see. My brother is a very casual wrestling fan and we got into a big argument about Harper leaving. He thinks he will struggle to make more money than WWE, and I told him he will easily make more money outside of the company. There is a misconception that everyone in WWE is getting top dollar and you can't make anything outside of the company. AEW has certainly changed the game, but even outside of them, a lot of lower to midcard wrestlers in WWE could do better outside of the company. That could change, if the market gets flooded by WWE releasing too many wrestlers, but I don't see that happening. Now obviously the wrestlers at the top of WWE are making a lot more money than any other company could provide, but that is only about 10 to 20 wrestlers making over a million dollars.
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Post by Dang! on Dec 11, 2019 11:10:01 GMT -5
And to think, people still try to come with the "(insert wrestler) isn't great" comments when the reality is we don't know how great they are given they're being limited. I sometimes feel that they're shooting themselves in the foot with that shit. Yes, they don't have any competition so they can play God with their talent, but sometimes even the guys they're trying to turn into their next big thing are stunted by this shit and turned into wank pheasants that say shitty lines like "suffering succotash". All of the legends got over by themselves and not by some shit that stupid creative retard "comedy" writers put in their mouths. I wonder how many failed pushes are mainly the fault of a...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 12:45:05 GMT -5
Is there any point for their weekly show to be live if they want to over produce everything like this? Why not just tape the shows and edit it the way you want?
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 11, 2019 13:57:42 GMT -5
Giant blocks of text do that to me, too. Seriously. Formatting goes a long way. It was more the content then the formatting but I get that too. I couldn’t even make it through because of the formatting.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 11, 2019 14:02:20 GMT -5
The Indies are way different now, opportunities are way different now. Even in comparison to two years ago, these guys have so many companies that aren't WWE that are on a National TV scale like AEW, a huge hype and talked about scale like New Japan, or a ton of Indies that have found ways to get their brand and name out there with livestreaming on the likes of Fite TV like Beyond and GCW or Twitch like Impact. Or even just doing Free Youtube like NWA Powerrr. We're way past the days of WWE being the juggernaught anymore. They have big exposure, they pay handsomley, but the options for wrestling are only getting larger and better for the industry heading into 2020, especially with New Japan starting an American branch. There are people asking for their release for a reason, they're simply not the only game in town anymore. The very thing Vince sought to snuff out, he did not cut off at the head. And it's great to see. My brother is a very casual wrestling fan and we got into a big argument about Harper leaving. He thinks he will struggle to make more money than WWE, and I told him he will easily make more money outside of the company. There is a misconception that everyone in WWE is getting top dollar and you can't make anything outside of the company. AEW has certainly changed the game, but even outside of them, a lot of lower to midcard wrestlers in WWE could do better outside of the company. That could change, if the market gets flooded by WWE releasing too many wrestlers, but I don't see that happening. Now obviously the wrestlers at the top of WWE are making a lot more money than any other company could provide, but that is only about 10 to 20 wrestlers making over a million dollars. Back in 2003 Raven claimed he made more money doing ROH, TNA, and indies than he was making in WWE.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 11, 2019 16:01:13 GMT -5
If I was a wrestler, I would not go to WWE. I don't care if you want to call bullshit on that, I wouldn't do it. I can not work under that level of micromanagement. I've quit jobs over it before.
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Post by horseface on Dec 11, 2019 17:28:38 GMT -5
Doesn't a lot of what WWE wrestlers make get kind of canceled out by having to pay for all their own travel expenses anyway?
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 12, 2019 10:30:40 GMT -5
Sounds a lot like my job, but at least the wrestlers get an extra zero or two on the end of their paycheck I'm not saying it doesn't suck. But at least they get paid. once again though, this sounds like the total opposite of what made me like RAW all those years ago. WWE is the puppy that lost it's way. Hopefully Triple H is the one to get up off his ass and finds that f***ing dog. Not that I think he will be(I think Trips and Vince are different sides of the same coin), but I thank you for giving me a much needed chuckle this morning.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 12, 2019 13:01:29 GMT -5
Doesn't a lot of what WWE wrestlers make get kind of canceled out by having to pay for all their own travel expenses anyway? I know that was the case for a good while, and may still be the case for a lot of the roster. But, the money has definitely improved for some people - the ridiculous numbers getting leaked for people like Bennett and the freaking Revival suggest that there has been some general increase. NXT guys are still making less than indy money last I heard, though.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 12, 2019 13:47:50 GMT -5
I went to a RAW this year and this was pretty evident with the ref and guys on the outside redirecting wrestlers all over the place for segments. It isn't the biggest reason why the fans are lifeless at shows, but it definitely makes things feel really fake and inorganic.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 12, 2019 17:32:20 GMT -5
The only people making serious bank in WWE are the top names. Anyone that's on the lower end of the card can probably make more money on the indies and the mid-majors than they would in WWE. Also helps that outside of WWE, you can actually be an independent contractor as opposed to just one by name as a loophole to get around labor laws and benefits.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 12, 2019 17:37:44 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to ask a dumb question here, using TJP as an example, he's been wrestling for over a decade, like, I think since the late 1990s, why does someone of his experience level need this level of micro-managing? I can sort of understand doing this with someone who's as green as turtle soup like Lacey Evans, but why do veterans like TJP, Kevin Owens, Becky Lynch, Sami Zayn and others have to (presumably) deal with the same level of micromanaging? How does it benefit them?
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 12, 2019 17:56:48 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to ask a dumb question here, using TJP as an example, he's been wrestling for over a decade, like, I think since the late 1990s, why does someone of his experience level need this level of micro-managing? I can sort of understand doing this with someone who's as green as turtle soup like Lacey Evans, but why do veterans like TJP, Kevin Owens, Becky Lynch, Sami Zayn and others have to (presumably) deal with the same level of micromanaging? How does it benefit them? The micromanagement is from Vince McMahon. He wants his talents to do the things he wants them to do _his_ way. He is a textbook narcissist in that he sees the talent as action figures in a diorama that he wants just so, and heaven help anyone who might want to do things differently. This may not have always been the case - I remember a TV taping I went to in 1993 which was just absolutely hunky-dory energy-wise - but this is what he has become. CM Punk has said that Vince would rather make a million his way than a billion someone else's way.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 12, 2019 19:11:42 GMT -5
My main takeaway from this thread is TJP is way older than I thought he was. I thought he was in his 20s
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 12, 2019 19:16:37 GMT -5
My main takeaway from this thread is TJP is way older than I thought he was. I thought he was in his 20s I didn't think he was that young, but he's still older than I thought he was. I thought he was 33.
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