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Post by Rave on Dec 12, 2019 18:44:25 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Suspension of disbelief is a thing. Just don't insult my intelligence along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 19:09:30 GMT -5
everyone kicks out of huge moves now. It's less believable than ever
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Dec 13, 2019 12:10:58 GMT -5
I think it has to have internal logic but it never has to be realistic and the beginning of the match (or the style of match like Lucha or strong style etc.) will dictate what happens next. To compare it to movies, the beginning of every James Bond flick tells us what kind of movie this will be and as long as it follows that logic then I don't care of the chase scenes and the gadgets are realistic.
That said, I do love occasionally when a movie messes with tropes like Unforgiven or Cabin in the Woods.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Dec 13, 2019 13:48:00 GMT -5
Serious believable stuff is what has drawn money so far, you can have funny stuff and other shit but never in the main event. Steve Austin might disagree there. In what believable world could a guy attack his boss on a weekly basis and not get fired. Also just watch his matches with The Rock, over the top selling with no realism but crowd eating out of their hands. Personal opinion is there is room for it all. I'm more bothered about whether it's done well.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 13, 2019 13:50:52 GMT -5
Serious believable stuff is what has drawn money so far, you can have funny stuff and other shit but never in the main event. Steve Austin might disagree there. In what believable world could a guy attack his boss on a weekly basis and not get fired. Also just watch his matches with The Rock, over the top selling with no realism but crowd eating out of their hands. Personal opinion is there is room for it all. I'm more bothered about whether it's done well. I disagree, they had violent brawls there were overselling of the stunner but it had realism.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 13, 2019 13:59:19 GMT -5
Wrestling needs to be as realistic as the promotions kayfabe universe dictates. There’s no universal answer, something may work perfectly fine in WWE but would be dumb as hell in NJPW or vice versa.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 13, 2019 14:09:46 GMT -5
Marko Stunt for example, he works in AEW and I think he’d work just fine in WWE but holy shit I wouldn’t want him anywhere near a NJPW show
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:13:12 GMT -5
LU proved that wrestling does not need to be grounded in realisim BUT that no matter what direction a company chooses things have to make sense within whatever established direction the company chooses.
I always choose to address how police are used in wrestling as it is the easiest
LU people are killed literally every few episodes but the police do nothing about it but there is no questions as to why because we have been shown that the police are corrupt and have their own agenda and also that the big over arching evil have their mits into everything from the cops to the political higher ups.
Cops in other companies only show up when convienient and only choose to address the most trivial of situations and never the obvious attempted homicides that take place on live tv , hell the whole the cops are wrestling fans and choose to arrest Lashley but not the guy obviously breaking a court order and committing assault made no sense whatsoever and this is a company that is suppose to be grounded in reality of the real world.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 13, 2019 15:43:06 GMT -5
LU proved that wrestling does not need to be grounded in realisim BUT that no matter what direction a company chooses things have to make sense within whatever established direction the company chooses. . Yeah, Lucha Underground is usually what I point to with this sorta thing. They did some absolutely balls to the wall batshit crazy stuff, and it completely worked because of the world they built. You couldn’t do 3/4 of that stuff anywhere else, but it made sense within their kayfabe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 15:59:45 GMT -5
LU proved that wrestling does not need to be grounded in realisim BUT that no matter what direction a company chooses things have to make sense within whatever established direction the company chooses. . Yeah, Lucha Underground is usually what I point to with this sorta thing. They did some absolutely balls to the wall batshit crazy stuff, and it completely worked because of the world they built. You couldn’t do 3/4 of that stuff anywhere else, but it made sense within their kayfabe. And they completely committed to that direction where as other comapnies try and fit square pegs into round holes trying to blend the real world and fantasy in ways that make no sense because they side step and deviate from it LU never did and is hugely why what they did worked as well as it did. If the viewer has to fill in all the logic gaps that aint good shit.
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