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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:08:18 GMT -5
Vince or Hunter not attending a PPV is unacceptable. Bad management. Shame on both of them. I hope both of them feel bad about it and it eats at them for a long f***ing time. It is their fault more than anyone for not being there. How? What type of hot take is that? You literally can't be at every show and that's why you have stuff in process for situations you can't be around. Unforunantly, those put in their positions didn't fulfill their duty
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:10:12 GMT -5
Vince or Hunter not attending a PPV is unacceptable. Bad management. Shame on both of them. I hope both of them feel bad about it and it eats at them for a long f***ing time. It is their fault more than anyone for not being there. How? What type of hot take is that? You literally can't be at every show and that's why you have stuff in process for situations you can't be around. Unforunantly, those put in their positions didn't fulfill their duty Neither of the two guys at the top of the company couldn't be there? Okay. Then neither of them are fit for the duty. Find someone who is.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 20:11:25 GMT -5
Vince or Hunter not attending a PPV is unacceptable. Bad management. Shame on both of them. I hope both of them feel bad about it and it eats at them for a long f***ing time. It is their fault more than anyone for not being there. How? What type of hot take is that? You literally can't be at every show and that's why you have stuff in process for situations you can't be around. Unforunantly, those put in their positions didn't fulfill their duty Yeah, I mean ideally he’d be over there and who knows how he would have done? If the same thing would have happened, then yeah, Vince deserves hell for it because he should know better of all people. But if he trusted someone to do the job in his absense and they let something like this happen...well, it’d make me question my own judgement on that person if that were me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:12:00 GMT -5
How? What type of hot take is that? You literally can't be at every show and that's why you have stuff in process for situations you can't be around. Unforunantly, those put in their positions didn't fulfill their duty Neither of the two guys at the top of the company couldn't be there? Okay. Then neither of them are fit for the duty. Find someone who is. That makes no sense. They have other obligations that can require their attention elsewhere People are put in place to be their proxy when they aren't there and once again the people put in place made their mistake and didn't do their job I don't see how this turns into a HHH and Vince didn't do their job correctly discussion
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:13:44 GMT -5
Neither of the two guys at the top of the company couldn't be there? Okay. Then neither of them are fit for the duty. Find someone who is. That makes no sense. They have other obligations that can require their attention elsewhere People are put in place to be their proxy when they aren't there and once again the people put in place made their mistake and didn't do their job I don't see how this turns into a HHH and Vince didn't do their job correctly discussion That's unacceptable when you have a PPV. One or both must be there. That's the job. If they don't want to do the job, they should admit they're not capable of handling the job and then step down.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:15:02 GMT -5
How? What type of hot take is that? You literally can't be at every show and that's why you have stuff in process for situations you can't be around. Unforunantly, those put in their positions didn't fulfill their duty Yeah, I mean ideally he’d be over there and who knows how he would have done? If the same thing would have happened, then yeah, Vince deserves hell for it because he should know better of all people. But if he trusted someone to do the job in his absense and they let something like this happen...well, it’d make me question my own judgement on that person if that were me. Agreed Whoever Vince trusted to be there and take care of things just lost that trust with this. For as much as people complain about Vince micro managing, situations like this is reasons why but because he didn't micro manage this he gets blame, I don't get it A lot of people didn't do their job from the back communicating to the ref, to the ref communicating to the wrestlers, and the wrestlers being aware themselves. This is out of Vince and HHH hands with them not being there
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:16:07 GMT -5
Eh, I don't get the idea that this is on Vince or Triple H.
This is like a store owner leaving the store to a night manager because he's heading home for the day. If the store gets robbed out in the open when the night manager's on duty then the store owner isn't going to be chewed out. The manager on duty is. Maybe the guy watching the store failed, maybe they shouldn't have been hired but that doesn't mean it's on the store owner because he's not on the clock anymore.
The same applies here. This isn't a Vince or Triple H situation at all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:16:39 GMT -5
That makes no sense. They have other obligations that can require their attention elsewhere People are put in place to be their proxy when they aren't there and once again the people put in place made their mistake and didn't do their job I don't see how this turns into a HHH and Vince didn't do their job correctly discussion That's unacceptable when you have a PPV. One or both must be there. That's the job. If they don't want to do the job, they should admit they're not capable of handling the job and then step down. That is a major hot take and a big overreaction They have people there to do that job, idk why you keep missing that part. Whoever was trusted to do the job failed to fulfill their obligations but these are two people that are figure heads in a big corp, being at every show is a luxury not an obligation considering how much more they have on their plate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:19:23 GMT -5
Vince or Hunter not attending a PPV is unacceptable. Bad management. Shame on both of them. I hope both of them feel bad about it and it eats at them for a long f***ing time. It is their fault more than anyone for not being there. This is some sociopathic shit. Tell me this is some kind of satire.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:19:25 GMT -5
That's unacceptable when you have a PPV. One or both must be there. That's the job. If they don't want to do the job, they should admit they're not capable of handling the job and then step down. That is a major hot take and a big overreaction They have people there to do that job, idk why you keep missing that part. Whoever was trusted to do the job failed to fulfill their obligations but these are two people that are figure heads in a big corp, being at every show is a luxury not an obligation considering how much more they have on their plate They had someone there to do it and they failed. So then, they didn't have someone there to do it then and one of them should be obligated to be at a PPV. It's not a random SmackDown house show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:20:25 GMT -5
The only real way I'd blame this on Vince is wondering why on earth you'd trust running the day-to-day to the guy who ran ECW into the ground.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Dec 16, 2019 20:22:04 GMT -5
The weird desire to find someone to blame for this is... well weird I guess. This just isn't one of those situations which require 30 pages of handwringing and recriminations that go nowhere. It was a rough match, Kairi will be fine, accidents happen, people don't always make perfect choices when in a high pressure environment on live TV. I’m going to go as far as say this is a situation that is dictionary definition of one that needs any kind of ramifications. This isn’t a bump that went wrong that nobody knew about until later, there’s a genuine case to be made that there was negligence on many levels and at the very least, there needs to be contingencies for next time it happens. Like, it was lucky Becky and Asuka knew what to do in that situation but again, that’s not what either of them are employed for. I'm not even disagreeing with most of that. There absolutely is more to be done with concussions in wrestling. But the talk of widespread negligence, some of the posts looking to blame specific people... you can just see where the thread is going a mile off. It's a contact sport and this kind of thing can (and does) happen at any wrestling event anywhere. It's not specific to particular people or companies... it's a complex, evolving issue that there's yet to be an obvious answer for.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:23:17 GMT -5
That is a major hot take and a big overreaction They have people there to do that job, idk why you keep missing that part. Whoever was trusted to do the job failed to fulfill their obligations but these are two people that are figure heads in a big corp, being at every show is a luxury not an obligation considering how much more they have on their plate They had someone there to do it and they failed. So then, they didn't have someone there to do it then and one of them should be obligated to be at a PPV. It's not a random SmackDown house show. Exactly the person failed and they will be replaced That makes no sense that you would call for the figure heads head over an employee not doing their job. Once again, they trust people to do their job because they have much more to do. HHH has much more to do, Vince does not need to be traveling like that at his age. This is most likely one of the rare times neither was there so i'm not going to blow their head off for missing a show For comparison sake, Bobby Fish looked to reinjured his knee 2-3 weeks ago and they took him out the match during the break and added Roddy Strong. It was a precaution as Fish turned out to be fine but if they took someone out for a knee injury best believe they would do the same for a concussion People didn't do their jobs it is really that simple. Mistakes were made and will be corrected
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:25:55 GMT -5
They had someone there to do it and they failed. So then, they didn't have someone there to do it then and one of them should be obligated to be at a PPV. It's not a random SmackDown house show. Exactly the person failed and they will be replaced That makes no sense that you would call for the figure heads head over an employee not doing their job. Once again, they trust people to do their job because they have much more to do. HHH has much more to do, Vince does not need to be traveling like that at his age. This is most likely one of the rare times neither was there so i'm not going to blow their head off for missing a show For comparison sake, Bobby Fish looked to reinjured his knee 2-3 weeks ago and they took him out the match during the break and added Roddy Strong. It was a precaution as Fish turned out to be fine but if they took someone out for a knee injury best believe they would do the same for a concussion People didn't do their jobs it is really that simple. Mistakes were made and will be corrected No. It's a PPV. That's unacceptable. It wasn't a house show. It wasn't RAW or a SmackDown, or NXT. Missing one of those is understandable, they're weekly. There is one PPV a month, occasionally two. It is unacceptable that someone at the top level is not there on a PPV.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 16, 2019 20:27:55 GMT -5
Eh, I don't get the idea that this is on Vince or Triple H. This is like a store owner leaving the store to a night manager because he's heading home for the day. If the store gets robbed out in the open when the night manager's on duty then the store owner isn't going to be chewed out. The manager on duty is. Maybe the guy watching the store failed, maybe they shouldn't have been hired but that doesn't mean it's on the store owner because he's not on the clock anymore. The same applies here. This isn't a Vince or Triple H situation at all. I think it'd be more apt that the manager didn't lock up and someone broke in... That's on whoever didn't lock up. Not the owner who left someone the keys to do it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:27:56 GMT -5
Exactly the person failed and they will be replaced That makes no sense that you would call for the figure heads head over an employee not doing their job. Once again, they trust people to do their job because they have much more to do. HHH has much more to do, Vince does not need to be traveling like that at his age. This is most likely one of the rare times neither was there so i'm not going to blow their head off for missing a show For comparison sake, Bobby Fish looked to reinjured his knee 2-3 weeks ago and they took him out the match during the break and added Roddy Strong. It was a precaution as Fish turned out to be fine but if they took someone out for a knee injury best believe they would do the same for a concussion People didn't do their jobs it is really that simple. Mistakes were made and will be corrected No. It's a PPV. That's unacceptable. It wasn't a house show. It wasn't RAW or a SmackDown, or NXT. Missing one of those is understandable, they're weekly. There is one PPV a month, occasionally two. It is unacceptable that someone at the top level is not there on a PPV. I tried. We will agree to disagree because that doesn't make sense to me. That is literally what subordinates are for but I made my point and won't repeat it
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:29:18 GMT -5
No. It's a PPV. That's unacceptable. It wasn't a house show. It wasn't RAW or a SmackDown, or NXT. Missing one of those is understandable, they're weekly. There is one PPV a month, occasionally two. It is unacceptable that someone at the top level is not there on a PPV. I tried. We will agree to disagree because that doesn't make sense to me. That is literally what subordinates are for but I made my point and won't repeat it By your logic, maybe Vince and Hunter should just take WrestleMania off this year. I'm sure Bruce Pritchard can handle it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 20:31:42 GMT -5
I tried. We will agree to disagree because that doesn't make sense to me. That is literally what subordinates are for but I made my point and won't repeat it By your logic, maybe Vince and Hunter should just take WrestleMania off this year. I'm sure Bruce Pritchard can handle it. No Mania is not the same as TLC or even in the same realm That's literally the most important show of the year. Don't be facetious As I said tho I explained my point so I won't respond back after this, we just disagree
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:32:30 GMT -5
Eh, I don't get the idea that this is on Vince or Triple H. This is like a store owner leaving the store to a night manager because he's heading home for the day. If the store gets robbed out in the open when the night manager's on duty then the store owner isn't going to be chewed out. The manager on duty is. Maybe the guy watching the store failed, maybe they shouldn't have been hired but that doesn't mean it's on the store owner because he's not on the clock anymore. The same applies here. This isn't a Vince or Triple H situation at all. I think it'd be more apt that the manager didn't lock up and someone broke in... That's on whoever didn't lock up. Not the owner who left someone the keys to do it. Right, that's a better example. The owner can't be responsible for everything every single second of each day, you have people for a reason. If you trust them with a paycheck then you have to trust them to take responsibility for some of the worked tasks. That's what jobs are for.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 20:33:43 GMT -5
By your logic, maybe Vince and Hunter should just take WrestleMania off this year. I'm sure Bruce Pritchard can handle it. No Mania is not the same as TLC or even in the same realm That's literally the most important show of the year. Don't be facetious As I said tho I explained my point so I won't respond back after this, we just disagree TLC. You mean the PPV where people are thrown off ladders and go through tables?
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