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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:05:12 GMT -5
If there's any people to get any sort of the blame then I blame the refs and officials. There's no way the talent should have noticed this before them because it's their job to notice it let alone it's their job to call an ending to the match and to protect Kairi first and foremost. These women straight up took over the match regardless of their plans and had to adapt which, given how WWE's booking system, isn't what they normally do. You mean to tell me that when everything's ok they can't do what they want and yet when someone's injured that's when they're given the chance to? That's when they get to call the shots? Exactly. Like I said before, you'd think this whole rigid system where even the entrances are scripted to a T that not a single person, from the referee to Vince McMahon himself, doesn't have a contingency plan for when stuff goes wrong? Especially after being so hard on Bryan that they got him to retire because of concussions? Why didn't anyone who wasn't a worker go to Kairi and see if she was ok? Where was someone to tell Charlotte what was going on? Why did all of it take so long? I hear all the time of independents having problems paying or training medics and being criticised for it (fairly, don't get me wrong) but this is the biggest wrestling company in the world, making millions a year. How was there so little done? It's so stupid and out of everything that they need to be kncoked for this one needs to be at the top of the list because we're dealing with people's health here. It shouldn't be the talent's job to notice that one of their peers are hurt and if so then whoever's job it is, you don't need that job anymore because you're just not doing it. I don't get this whole "hey we're serious about our people's health" thing and then when something like this happens it's apparently still the motto. Did you see the refs when they spoke to Kairi after Becky told them what's going on? What the hell? I don't have any idea why Vince or someone else on the headset didn't see Kairi hurt and then ask a ref to go check on her. Granted this isn't NXT but a few weeks ago when that Bobby Fish thing happened they quickly adapted. Maybe they thought they were just great sellers on the main roster but no this isn't it. it's just dumb. They all need to get chewed out for this and that includes Vince if he was watching the match. Even Dana Brooke on Watch Along knew something was up given how serious she looked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:05:30 GMT -5
I am not gonna put Charlotte to the fire and demand she be fired or anything like that but she has blame on her in this match.
Kairi crumpling on the spear should have been the moment Charlotte picked up on it that something was wrong but she just went ahead and slapped the begeezus out of her and then went and stiffed the hell outta her on the powerbomb....of which Kairi could not even get herself in proper position for her and was basically slapping on Charlotte multiple times to presumeably tell her to stop what she was about to do.
I do not believe Charlotte intentionally went out here to hurt anyone but Charlotte was extremely f***ing careless lastnight on multiple occasions with Kairi.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 12:06:22 GMT -5
We need to stop attacking these wrestlers over things like this and go after those who's job it is to keep up with this sort of thing. Also this too. If we're going to be "fine" with how contracts work in WWE or how little healthcare and benefit they get as independent contractors, I don't think it's that much to expect, at goddamn minimum, that the people putting you out there to work have your best interests at heart to make sure you don't get seriously injured on the job. Or at the very, very least, being able to know what to do when it's obvious something goes wrong.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Dec 16, 2019 12:13:12 GMT -5
I feel like when an opponent crumples like that, a powerbomb through a table is not the immediate safest move, especially when they're dead weight and clearly not up to taking the move properly. I know nothing about being a wrestler but knowing your opponent is really injured has to be difficult considering the whole point of wrestling is pretending that you're genuinely hurt. Just cos she didn't bump properly for the spear doesn't mean Charlotte would have instantly known she was knocked out. People slip or mis-time moves all the time. Same thing for hitting Charlotte's arm during the powerbomb which I've seen some people saying was a clear sign she didn't want it for real. Fighting against moves is something you'd do if you were fine anyway. Unless she flat out said "I'm genuinely hurt. Don't do anything to me." out loud to her then I'm not sure how much blame you can give Charlotte.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 16, 2019 12:17:54 GMT -5
I'm not gonna blame for the concussion,shit happens.
But Charlotte(AND the officials around the ring)should realize when someone is not acting right.It is like when Nya was rough when she injured Bayley. But yeh people need to take it easy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:27:09 GMT -5
We need to stop attacking these wrestlers over things like this and go after those who's job it is to keep up with this sort of thing. Also this too. If we're going to be "fine" with how contracts work in WWE or how little healthcare and benefit they get as independent contractors, I don't think it's that much to expect, at goddamn minimum, that the people putting you out there to work have your best interests at heart to make sure you don't get seriously injured on the job. Or at the very, very least, being able to know what to do when it's obvious something goes wrong. Part of me thinks that the company just let them do whatever because "they were tough enough to deal with it" but that goes back to the whole slow it down thing. They were working too stiff last night and even more than that we saw glimpses of this in that cell match with Sasha and Becky where Sasha got injured and had to sit out a bit. It's like something like this happens with every major women's gimmick match these days, somebody has to get hurt or somebody has to botch something. It shouldn't have got that far because the officials should pick up on things we don't pick up on. We're fans, we're not inside the business. Still the refs didn't do anything. Like in the clip I just posted, we clearly see Becky tell a ref what's up but we also see another ref check on Kairi before Charlotte gets ready to spear Kairi. I gotta ask... What the hell was that ref checking for? Did this ref just not hear Becky tell the other ref that Kairi is hurt? Did this ref think she was ok? Why didn't the other ref immediately stop Charlotte and Kairi or at least tell them what Becky told him? Why? It's so bad.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 16, 2019 12:27:24 GMT -5
I put the vast majority of blame on the officials/whoever was at gorilla. I can see how, if you’re in the match, you get caught up in the moment and maybe miss the signs. But there are people whose job it is to recognize things like this. And it damn sure seem like they should’ve noticed a lot earlier that Kairi was f***ed up. And they should’ve alerted Becky and Charlottte immediately. This is what I came to post..... Charlotte was a reckless, but in the heat of the moment, I understand "adrenaline takes over". The officials are there to recognize when one of the performers is messed up. How they couldn't tell when Kairi was flailing at Becky with what looked at lifeless blows and then the spear, I'll never know. Then when she went up horribly for the powerbomb and official should've done something to stop that powerbomb through the table. I think the officials should get the majority of the blame.
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Post by salz4life on Dec 16, 2019 12:30:08 GMT -5
And an encouraging update on Kairi’s condition: Made the mistake of reading the comments... This is gonna get real bad for Charlotte, like worse than Brie Bella injuring Liv Morgan that time. Wrestling fans on Twitter being morons? I'm shocked. LOL
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 16, 2019 12:30:32 GMT -5
Also, I hope Paige blames Asuka for this for no good reason.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 12:33:19 GMT -5
Also this too. If we're going to be "fine" with how contracts work in WWE or how little healthcare and benefit they get as independent contractors, I don't think it's that much to expect, at goddamn minimum, that the people putting you out there to work have your best interests at heart to make sure you don't get seriously injured on the job. Or at the very, very least, being able to know what to do when it's obvious something goes wrong. Part of me thinks that the company just let them do whatever because "they were tough enough to deal with it" but that goes back to the whole slow it down thing. They were working too stiff last night and even more than that we saw glimpses of this in that cell match with Sasha and Becky where Sasha got injured and had to sit out a bit. It's like something like this happens with every major women's gimmick match these days, somebody has to get hurt or somebody has to botch something. It shouldn't have got that far because the officials should pick up on things we don't pick up on. We're fans, we're not inside the business. Still the refs didn't do anything. Like in the clip I just posted, we clearly see Becky tell a ref what's up but we also see another ref check on Kairi before Charlotte gets ready to spear Kairi. I gotta ask... What the hell was that ref checking for? Did this ref just not hear Becky tell the other ref that Kairi is hurt? Did this ref think she was ok? Why didn't the other ref immediately stop Charlotte and Kairi or at least tell them what Becky told him? Why? It's so bad. Like, I can see a scenario where they didn't want to set off the balance and have Vince on them afterwards for taking things off the plan. But even so, if something like that were to happen, there needs to be another plan and if Vince chews you out for that, like you said he needs to be chewed out too for not giving a damn about the workers' welfare over whatever structure he needs to have. I'm not saying my scenario happened but outside of "Everyone involved is incompetent and has somehow never dealt with anything this bad before", which I absolutely cannot believe considering whose back there in their staff, I can't think of anything "reasonable".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 12:59:35 GMT -5
Everybody has a part in the blame and will get chewed out
Charlotte more so socially will get a ton of more shit just because of who she is which is wrong but she can take it.
They need to slow down. You don't have to prove yourself trying to wrestle like the men and take everything a notch above. We know what y'all can do. If you are going to do stuff like this, it is better to be safe then trying to hang with the boys because they do crazy shit
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 13:05:32 GMT -5
They need to slow down. You don't have to prove yourself trying to wrestle like the men and take everything a notch above. We know what y'all can do. If you are going to do stuff like this, it is better to be safe then trying to hang with the boys because they do crazy shit That's why the Kairi tweet makes me sad too. Like, I've been with wrestlers, I've been in the ring myself really briefly, and I've seen dejected people who feel like they haven't done their best and haven't shown what they can do regardless of crowd reaction. I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, entertainers feel this way too, but there is a line to cross when that comes before safety. Not every injury needs medical attention but there is a thing in wrestling about toughing it out regardless of injury and it's one that I wish wouldn't get pushed so much as a narrative. If you were to have me choose between a great match where memorable spots happen or proper precautions are taken and people don't feel like they're failures if they're not able to perform because of injury, the latter wins every time and Kairi feeling let down is understandable...but you have a concussion. That doesn't leave quickly and if treated badly, it could be worse. This goes with most serious injuries if I'm being honest but considering these past few years alone, yeah, I wish that mentality faded away.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Dec 16, 2019 13:07:03 GMT -5
Made the mistake of reading the comments... This is gonna get real bad for Charlotte, like worse than Brie Bella injuring Liv Morgan that time. Wrestling fans on Twitter being morons? I'm shocked. LOL All we need now is the snarky in character tweet from Charlotte about how she can't handle the queen or something and all will be right in the obnoxious twitter universe!
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 16, 2019 13:11:08 GMT -5
Wrestling fans on Twitter being morons? I'm shocked. LOL All we need now is the snarky in character tweet from Charlotte about how she can't handle the queen or something and all will be right in the obnoxious twitter universe! That would confirm and solidify her as a shitty human being. In character AND in real life. She needs to apologize, both openly & to Kairi directly. I actually do think it will serve her very well and smooth the tension against her.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 13:12:22 GMT -5
They need to slow down. You don't have to prove yourself trying to wrestle like the men and take everything a notch above. We know what y'all can do. If you are going to do stuff like this, it is better to be safe then trying to hang with the boys because they do crazy shit That's why the Kairi tweet makes me sad too. Like, I've been with wrestlers, I've been in the ring myself really briefly, and I've seen dejected people who feel like they haven't done their best and haven't shown what they can do regardless of crowd reaction. I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, entertainers feel this way too, but there is a line to cross when that comes before safety. Not every injury needs medical attention but there is a thing in wrestling about toughing it out regardless of injury and it's one that I wish wouldn't get pushed so much as a narrative. If you were to have me choose between a great match where memorable spots happen or proper precautions are taken and people don't feel like they're failures if they're not able to perform because of injury, the latter wins every time and Kairi feeling let down is understandable...but you have a concussion. That doesn't leave quickly and if treated badly, it could be worse. This goes with most serious injuries if I'm being honest but considering these past few years alone, yeah, I wish that mentality faded away. It's understandable from her perspective. As a competitor she feels like she let her friends down when in reality she just couldn't go and it wasn't her fault. However, things like that is inescapable when you feel and know you can do a ton better but something gets in the way. If people have played a sport they know that feeling of feeling like you let people down and that shit sucks Hopefully, someone reinforces the idea of them slowing down. when the women get in the main event they do crazy shit because that's what they think they are supposed to do. Somehow the damn War Games match has been much safer than the Raw and SD women matches. Slow it down, y'all are highly talented and just a fraction of timing off can lead to bad results as what happened at TLC
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Dec 16, 2019 13:20:12 GMT -5
All we need now is the snarky in character tweet from Charlotte about how she can't handle the queen or something and all will be right in the obnoxious twitter universe! That would confirm and solidify her as a shitty human being. In character AND in real life. She needs to apologize, both openly & to Kairi directly. I actually do think it will serve her very well and smooth the tension against her. I take it all back. I think she's reading the board! Haha.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 16, 2019 13:23:27 GMT -5
That would confirm and solidify her as a shitty human being. In character AND in real life. She needs to apologize, both openly & to Kairi directly. I actually do think it will serve her very well and smooth the tension against her. I take it all back. I think she's reading the board! Haha. Fine then, I'm all good, at least.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 13:24:27 GMT -5
All we need now is the snarky in character tweet from Charlotte about how she can't handle the queen or something and all will be right in the obnoxious twitter universe! That would confirm and solidify her as a shitty human being. In character AND in real life. She needs to apologize, both openly & to Kairi directly. I actually do think it will serve her very well and smooth the tension against her. Openly no She doesn't owe anything to the public, as long as she talks to Kairi in private that is fine. Fans shouldn't feel entitled to that convo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 13:25:54 GMT -5
That would confirm and solidify her as a shitty human being. In character AND in real life. She needs to apologize, both openly & to Kairi directly. I actually do think it will serve her very well and smooth the tension against her. I take it all back. I think she's reading the board! Haha. Honestly Charlotte probably apologized backstage and did what she could to help out given she's apparently a good leader and all people backstage like her. She probably said this to the rabid fans who were attacking her online so that will quell the responses. Fans don't deserve Charlotte apologizing out in the open just because they're pissed. They're not Kairi.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 13:29:53 GMT -5
I can't believe Charlotte stole the food off Kairi's table and ate it in front of her.
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