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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 8:40:59 GMT -5
Well, I hope she's okay. She was my favorite NXT wrestler for a while when I was watching and whatever the impetus behind this, just hope she has a speedy recovery.
As for how this came to be, botches happen, but in chaotic matches like this, it mostly falls on the refs to look out for the safety of the performers. I don't know what happened, if they were out of position, working with other women in the match, or what, but maybe policies for refs and their positioning will need to be reviewed for multi-person, chaotic matches like this in the future.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 16, 2019 8:41:56 GMT -5
The officials should have cut the match short. This is on them IMO.
But boy is Charlotte going to get a wave of crap aimed her way. Undeserved
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 16, 2019 8:48:27 GMT -5
I feel like when an opponent crumples like that, a powerbomb through a table is not the immediate safest move, especially when they're dead weight and clearly not up to taking the move properly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 8:51:31 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Charlotte detractors on this board and even I can't pin this on her. The WWE in-house style is rigid and utterly dependent on to-the-letter scripting. Guarantee you the kendo stick shot, spear/slap, and the table powerbomb were all being communicated directly to Charlotte by the ref, and since she didn't know Kairi was hurt, she just went through with the spots as planned. Combine that with how rough she works in gimmick matches and you get this.
I know they'll never adjust their in-house style, but maybe this injury will cause WWE to rethink using brutal gimmick matches as a yearly attraction? Especially considering that from what I've seen, last night's show was total filler.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 16, 2019 9:31:37 GMT -5
That kendo stick shot looks like it hits Kairi’s arm and the ladder more than her head.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 16, 2019 10:50:20 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Charlotte detractors on this board and even I can't pin this on her. The WWE in-house style is rigid and utterly dependent on to-the-letter scripting. Guarantee you the kendo stick shot, spear/slap, and the table powerbomb were all being communicated directly to Charlotte by the ref, and since she didn't know Kairi was hurt, she just went through with the spots as planned. Combine that with how rough she works in gimmick matches and you get this. I know they'll never adjust their in-house style, but maybe this injury will cause WWE to rethink using brutal gimmick matches as a yearly attraction? Especially considering that from what I've seen, last night's show was total filler. What hurts Charlotte and a lot of people who only know WWE style, is that they can’t improvise for shit. Someone gets hurt or concussed? Gotta stay on script cause the script is the script. A spot doesn’t work the first time? Sell it like it did cause it’s in the script. Somebody’s out of place for a hot tag or a big spot? Still do it cause it’s in the script. Scripting and match planning is cool, don’t get me wrong. But when something goes off the rails, you need to know to stop the script shit and look out for your fellow performer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:00:59 GMT -5
I am just glad to hear she is on the mend but really breaks your heart knowing she is dissapointed in herself when that is the last thing she should be because even without knowing the extent of how bad she was f***ed up she was the star of that match IMO.
Just all her antics from tieing up Becky , to going mad and throwing chairs at Becky and Charlotte , her and Asuka taking a photo op moment with Asuka sitting on the chair etc
she should be anything but dissapointed because she gave literally everything she could to that match.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 11:10:32 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Charlotte detractors on this board and even I can't pin this on her. The WWE in-house style is rigid and utterly dependent on to-the-letter scripting. Guarantee you the kendo stick shot, spear/slap, and the table powerbomb were all being communicated directly to Charlotte by the ref, and since she didn't know Kairi was hurt, she just went through with the spots as planned. Combine that with how rough she works in gimmick matches and you get this. I know they'll never adjust their in-house style, but maybe this injury will cause WWE to rethink using brutal gimmick matches as a yearly attraction? Especially considering that from what I've seen, last night's show was total filler. What hurts Charlotte and a lot of people who only know WWE style, is that they can’t improvise for shit. Someone gets hurt or concussed? Gotta stay on script cause the script is the script. A spot doesn’t work the first time? Sell it like it did cause it’s in the script. Somebody’s out of place for a hot tag or a big spot? Still do it cause it’s in the script. Scripting and match planning is cool, don’t get me wrong. But when something goes off the rails, you need to know to stop the script shit and look out for your fellow performer. Like, by all accounts, it seems more toward agents or other people in charge to instruct about matches so the fact they were lost in not being sure what to do next and probably Vince was unsure what to do next? It's honestly not a great look. Especially when the solution earlier on was "Get Kairi the f*** out of there".
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Post by 4real on Dec 16, 2019 11:11:16 GMT -5
The power bomb was when I realised something was up. Kairi didn’t want to go through it and she didn’t want to get up after either. Then her literally running away from Charlotte with a chair...I felt sorry for her. Good to hear she’s doing good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:13:12 GMT -5
What hurts Charlotte and a lot of people who only know WWE style, is that they can’t improvise for shit. Someone gets hurt or concussed? Gotta stay on script cause the script is the script. A spot doesn’t work the first time? Sell it like it did cause it’s in the script. Somebody’s out of place for a hot tag or a big spot? Still do it cause it’s in the script. Scripting and match planning is cool, don’t get me wrong. But when something goes off the rails, you need to know to stop the script shit and look out for your fellow performer. That’s exactly it. WWE doesn’t want to teach people how to wrestle, they want to teach people how to follow their scripts to the letter. No need to teach improvisation or how to recover from a botched spot because improv and botches aren’t in the script. They don’t want wrestlers, they want actors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:24:44 GMT -5
The power bomb was when I realised something was up. Kairi didn’t want to go through it and she didn’t want to get up after either. Then her literally running away from Charlotte with a chair...I felt sorry for her. Good to hear she’s doing good. When she literally ran away from Charlotte around to Becky and hid behind Asuka it really puntucated that Charlotte was on some type of trip and Kairi was doing everything to keep the hell away from her for her own safety. And idk how true this is but apparently after the table spot with Becky she said in Japanese..."HELP ME SIS"
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2019 11:31:05 GMT -5
I can't believe that monster Charlotte fired Kairi Sane out of an actual cannon on purpose.
She's not even a real pirate anymore.
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Post by lionheart21 on Dec 16, 2019 11:31:37 GMT -5
And an encouraging update on Kairi’s condition: "she seems cheerful enough, if disappointed with herself." Well that breaks my heart even more. It wasn't her fault that she wasn't able to go at her best, and yet she's putting blame on herself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:43:04 GMT -5
Yeah there's definitely a massive amount of backlash coming at Charlotte online and it does seem to be worse than the Nia stuff which doesn't make any sense. People need to separate their opinion on her character and who she is as a person before they make their judgement. We don't even know where Kairi was injured nor do we even know who's idea it was for her continue and whatnot, the fact Becky noticed before Charlotte makes so much sense because Kairi landed on Becky wrong with that spot and she noticed while Charlotte was already out of the way so she didn't see what happened. That should be common sense as to why Becky caught on, I mean Kairi straight up told her something was up. For us viewers we can look back and go "ok here's where something went wrong" but if you're out there and someone has to tell you that something's up then that says a lot.
If there's any people to get any sort of the blame then I blame the refs and officials. There's no way the talent should have noticed this before them because it's their job to notice it let alone it's their job to call an ending to the match and to protect Kairi first and foremost. These women straight up took over the match regardless of their plans and had to adapt which, given how WWE's booking system, isn't what they normally do.
You mean to tell me that when everything's ok they can't do what they want and yet when someone's injured that's when they're given the chance to? That's when they get to call the shots?
That's horrible. Kairi didn't deserve this nor did any of the women in this match. Fans are going at them when they out of everyone are the last ones to be spoken about here.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 16, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -5
streamable.com/fzdvmHave not seen this one mentioned yet Charlotte f***ing cracks Kairi in the back of the head with the kendo stick I am about at a point where I am like f*** Charlotte the more I see of her in this match ..once is an accident , twice is carelessness but more than that it becomes clear she had no f***s to give. And after the powerbomb through the table where Kiari wasn’t helping Charlotte lift her up she slaps her in the face.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 16, 2019 11:53:09 GMT -5
The officials should have cut the match short. This is on them IMO. But boy is Charlotte going to get a wave of crap aimed her way. Undeserved Undeserved my ass. Charlotte deserves every syllable of crap spoken about her for this.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 16, 2019 11:55:09 GMT -5
I feel like when an opponent crumples like that, a powerbomb through a table is not the immediate safest move, especially when they're dead weight and clearly not up to taking the move properly. Yeah the Powrbomb probably wasn’t the best idea. And Charlottes a pro so I’m pretty sure she knew something was up after the spear.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2019 11:58:18 GMT -5
If there's any people to get any sort of the blame then I blame the refs and officials. There's no way the talent should have noticed this before them because it's their job to notice it let alone it's their job to call an ending to the match and to protect Kairi first and foremost. These women straight up took over the match regardless of their plans and had to adapt which, given how WWE's booking system, isn't what they normally do. You mean to tell me that when everything's ok they can't do what they want and yet when someone's injured that's when they're given the chance to? That's when they get to call the shots? Exactly. Like I said before, you'd think this whole rigid system where even the entrances are scripted to a T that not a single person, from the referee to Vince McMahon himself, doesn't have a contingency plan for when stuff goes wrong? Especially after being so hard on Bryan that they got him to retire because of concussions? Why didn't anyone who wasn't a worker go to Kairi and see if she was ok? Where was someone to tell Charlotte what was going on? Why did all of it take so long? I hear all the time of independents having problems paying or training medics and being criticised for it (fairly, don't get me wrong) but this is the biggest wrestling company in the world, making millions a year. How was there so little done?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:58:20 GMT -5
The officials should have cut the match short. This is on them IMO. But boy is Charlotte going to get a wave of crap aimed her way. Undeserved Undeserved my ass. Charlotte deserves every syllable of crap spoken about her for this. No she doesn't. Charlotte didn't know Kairi was injured until Becky told her which we can see around 1:30 here. Becky didn't even know until Kairi told her something was wrong and that's after Kairi botched a spot due to her injury.
Charlotte was acting on the idea that Kairi was fine. All throughout that match both teams were really stiff with each other and both teams have been kicking, slapping and doing other rough stuff to the other for weeks including this match. You can't get mad at Charlotte for potentially doing this when she didn't know because if that's the case then you need to be mad at the officials and refs more given it's their job to know before the talent if not be mad at everyone else who didn't know until they were told.
We need to stop attacking these wrestlers over things like this and go after those who's job it is to keep up with this sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:01:38 GMT -5
Charlotte was careless, but it happens. She needs to learn from it but she doesn't deserve to be harrassed over it.
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