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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 18, 2019 13:45:20 GMT -5
If you want to hear an interview where he's not entirely "on," check out the following:
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 18, 2019 14:25:17 GMT -5
since Brandi's promos upset me can we pull her from doing those too?
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Post by salz4life on Dec 18, 2019 14:39:58 GMT -5
MJF rules! Even if this is "a shoot"... it still works for the ongoing story with him and Cody. Just brilliant!
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -5
Discovering MJF lets the mask down on occasion is endearing, but also like if you saw Santa buying groceries. More than a little jarring to see him out of his usual environment.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 18, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -5
since Brandi's promos upset me can we pull her from doing those too? She's too hot to silence damn it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 16:05:09 GMT -5
Are we really at the point where professional wrestling is so far post-kayfabe that it's cycled back to kayfabe? MJF is a heel. A damn good one. He's a talented performer who plays his character extremely well. In the AEW universe, I want nothing more than to see him get his comeuppance and get his ass kicked. But I know that he's playing a character. He's an exceptional character performer. I'm sure that none of us think that Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, despite having portrayed an especially convincing one on film a few times. No one thinks that Jack Nicholson is a raving psychopath. So are we starting to think that MJF is ACTUALLY an asshole?
This mentality is why WWE has gotten as watered down as it has. Heels CAN'T be too effective, because people start to think they're real and then they have to be "toned down." That used to be what you wanted out of a heel. MJF is a refreshing breath of air in the wrestling world, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't get neutered because people have completely lost sight of the fact that pro wrestling's entire appeal is that it is a fictitious world that, at times, blends with reality. We're seriously here debating whether MJF, a character whose defining feature is that he is a fratboy-esque douche, went too far by making fun of "nerdy" things like D and D and Star Wars.
I don't doubt for a second that character MJF is the real Max Friedman dialed up to infinity, but those are the best type of wrestling characters. And we're talking about a guy here whose first appearance on national television was singing "You Are My Sunshine" as a 10 year old child...I sincerely doubt he takes himself too seriously.
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Post by r. on Dec 18, 2019 16:18:16 GMT -5
MJF is great at safe social media heat without being an edge lord
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Post by markymark on Dec 18, 2019 16:23:23 GMT -5
Are we really at the point where professional wrestling is so far post-kayfabe that it's cycled back to kayfabe? MJF is a heel. A damn good one. He's a talented performer who plays his character extremely well. In the AEW universe, I want nothing more than to see him get his comeuppance and get his ass kicked. But I know that he's playing a character. He's an exceptional character performer. I'm sure that none of us think that Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, despite having portrayed an especially convincing one on film a few times. No one thinks that Jack Nicholson is a raving psychopath. So are we starting to think that MJF is ACTUALLY an asshole? This mentality is why WWE has gotten as watered down as it has. Heels CAN'T be too effective, because people start to think they're real and then they have to be "toned down." That used to be what you wanted out of a heel. MJF is a refreshing breath of air in the wrestling world, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't get neutered because people have completely lost sight of the fact that pro wrestling's entire appeal is that it is a fictitious world that, at times, blends with reality. We're seriously here debating whether MJF, a character whose defining feature is that he is a fratboy-esque douche, went too far by making fun of "nerdy" things like D and D and Star Wars.I don't doubt for a second that character MJF is the real Max Friedman dialed up to infinity, but those are the best type of wrestling characters. And we're talking about a guy here whose first appearance on national television was singing "You Are My Sunshine" as a 10 year old child...I sincerely doubt he takes himself too seriously. This just happened
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 16:56:00 GMT -5
Are we really at the point where professional wrestling is so far post-kayfabe that it's cycled back to kayfabe? MJF is a heel. A damn good one. He's a talented performer who plays his character extremely well. In the AEW universe, I want nothing more than to see him get his comeuppance and get his ass kicked. But I know that he's playing a character. He's an exceptional character performer. I'm sure that none of us think that Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, despite having portrayed an especially convincing one on film a few times. No one thinks that Jack Nicholson is a raving psychopath. So are we starting to think that MJF is ACTUALLY an asshole? This mentality is why WWE has gotten as watered down as it has. Heels CAN'T be too effective, because people start to think they're real and then they have to be "toned down." That used to be what you wanted out of a heel. MJF is a refreshing breath of air in the wrestling world, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't get neutered because people have completely lost sight of the fact that pro wrestling's entire appeal is that it is a fictitious world that, at times, blends with reality. We're seriously here debating whether MJF, a character whose defining feature is that he is a fratboy-esque douche, went too far by making fun of "nerdy" things like D and D and Star Wars.I don't doubt for a second that character MJF is the real Max Friedman dialed up to infinity, but those are the best type of wrestling characters. And we're talking about a guy here whose first appearance on national television was singing "You Are My Sunshine" as a 10 year old child...I sincerely doubt he takes himself too seriously. This just happened So, the bully jock character bullied a guy by making fun of his physical disability? After the guy tweeted about how awesome he thought it was that MJF had engaged him at Starrcast? As was mentioned earlier in this thread, MJF's schtick is, by and large, something that fans enjoy. To me, it's like eating at a Dick's Last Resort or something like that. I get it...he's walking kind of a fine line and, even in playing a character, there's a risk that he may say something "in character" that could reflect poorly on the company. But he hasn't really broached that line to me, yet. He's a bully character bullying people. He hasn't crossed a line into any of the "isms" yet. If he ever does that, that'll be where he's gone too far, in my mind. Right now he's just playing a great heel.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 18, 2019 17:52:04 GMT -5
Are we really at the point where professional wrestling is so far post-kayfabe that it's cycled back to kayfabe? MJF is a heel. A damn good one. He's a talented performer who plays his character extremely well. In the AEW universe, I want nothing more than to see him get his comeuppance and get his ass kicked. But I know that he's playing a character. He's an exceptional character performer. I'm sure that none of us think that Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, despite having portrayed an especially convincing one on film a few times. No one thinks that Jack Nicholson is a raving psychopath. So are we starting to think that MJF is ACTUALLY an asshole? This mentality is why WWE has gotten as watered down as it has. Heels CAN'T be too effective, because people start to think they're real and then they have to be "toned down." That used to be what you wanted out of a heel. MJF is a refreshing breath of air in the wrestling world, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't get neutered because people have completely lost sight of the fact that pro wrestling's entire appeal is that it is a fictitious world that, at times, blends with reality. We're seriously here debating whether MJF, a character whose defining feature is that he is a fratboy-esque douche, went too far by making fun of "nerdy" things like D and D and Star Wars. I don't doubt for a second that character MJF is the real Max Friedman dialed up to infinity, but those are the best type of wrestling characters. And we're talking about a guy here whose first appearance on national television was singing "You Are My Sunshine" as a 10 year old child...I sincerely doubt he takes himself too seriously. The danger isn't what a heel will do in the context of the show. I don't think there's been a lot of problems with any of that, the man is praised and a gem. It's that what works in the world inside wrestling for us and is recognized as such doesn't translate so well outside of it. Nobody thinks Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, but it's not about what he does in a movie playing Hannibal Lector; it's the idea he would go into interviews as Hannibal Lector and continue on as such. That "WWE doesn't let heels be heels because sensitive babies will be offended" take is always bad and incorrect. MJF is going to keep being MJF, but the fact he is committed to doing media appearances in character means that it's easy to end up dealing with someone who isn't 'in on the joke', who maybe doesn't know his gimmick or that he's determined to keep that character up. And it sounds like that's been what's happened. I don't think it's about him on twitter making fun of nerd shit, I think it's about him doing media rounds and causing trouble, which isn't something any company needs. MJF is great. MJF is also not a good brand ambassador given his commitment to being in character. THis isn't about the AEW universe, it's about the real world. When you're working in wrestling, it's a work. When you're working people who aren't in on the work, it's a shoot regardless of your intentions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 18:11:15 GMT -5
Are we really at the point where professional wrestling is so far post-kayfabe that it's cycled back to kayfabe? MJF is a heel. A damn good one. He's a talented performer who plays his character extremely well. In the AEW universe, I want nothing more than to see him get his comeuppance and get his ass kicked. But I know that he's playing a character. He's an exceptional character performer. I'm sure that none of us think that Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, despite having portrayed an especially convincing one on film a few times. No one thinks that Jack Nicholson is a raving psychopath. So are we starting to think that MJF is ACTUALLY an asshole? This mentality is why WWE has gotten as watered down as it has. Heels CAN'T be too effective, because people start to think they're real and then they have to be "toned down." That used to be what you wanted out of a heel. MJF is a refreshing breath of air in the wrestling world, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't get neutered because people have completely lost sight of the fact that pro wrestling's entire appeal is that it is a fictitious world that, at times, blends with reality. We're seriously here debating whether MJF, a character whose defining feature is that he is a fratboy-esque douche, went too far by making fun of "nerdy" things like D and D and Star Wars. I don't doubt for a second that character MJF is the real Max Friedman dialed up to infinity, but those are the best type of wrestling characters. And we're talking about a guy here whose first appearance on national television was singing "You Are My Sunshine" as a 10 year old child...I sincerely doubt he takes himself too seriously. The danger isn't what a heel will do in the context of the show. I don't think there's been a lot of problems with any of that, the man is praised and a gem. It's that what works in the world inside wrestling for us and is recognized as such doesn't translate so well outside of it. Nobody thinks Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal, but it's not about what he does in a movie playing Hannibal Lector; it's the idea he would go into interviews as Hannibal Lector and continue on as such. That "WWE doesn't let heels be heels because sensitive babies will be offended" take is always bad and incorrect. MJF is going to keep being MJF, but the fact he is committed to doing media appearances in character means that it's easy to end up dealing with someone who isn't 'in on the joke', who maybe doesn't know his gimmick or that he's determined to keep that character up. And it sounds like that's been what's happened. I don't think it's about him on twitter making fun of nerd shit, I think it's about him doing media rounds and causing trouble, which isn't something any company needs. MJF is great. MJF is also not a good brand ambassador given his commitment to being in character. THis isn't about the AEW universe, it's about the real world. When you're working in wrestling, it's a work. When you're working people who aren't in on the work, it's a shoot regardless of your intentions. With all due respect, I think you trivialized my point and turned it into something that is "bad and incorrect." I wasn't saying the "WWE doesn't let heels be heels because sensitive babies will be offended," I was implying that, since WWE is a publicly traded company with advertising and marketing interests of paramount importance now, that they can't allow their performers to blur reality and the "WWE universe" in an overtly heelish way anymore because of the potential for reactions such as this. And people, by and large, consider WWE's characters generic, sameish, or watered down because of it. And, I totally agree with your final point that MJF isn't a great brand ambassador. Nor should he be right now. He's portraying a heel. I was responding to the sentiment throughout this thread that MJF simply MUST believe the things he says because he's so committed to the bit. I disagree. I, personally, think that wrestling is at its best when it blurs the lines between fantasy and reality (something that WWE doesn't do anymore because, I suppose, it can't) and MJF is doing an excellent job at that. I don't want to see MJF as a character get neutered because he's considered TOO good at it.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 18, 2019 19:06:27 GMT -5
Part of me hopes that this is kayfabe and not an indicator that he's some kind of edgelord.
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 18, 2019 23:53:51 GMT -5
I love this as it actually makes me wonder if this is kayfabe. MJF seems smart enough if he wanted to do media for their shows, he could. Him just being the biggest heel possible all the time & having the company censure him checks all the boxes.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 19, 2019 3:03:25 GMT -5
He’s a heel
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