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Post by warden on Dec 20, 2019 13:07:42 GMT -5
Next time they pitch the idea of kenny losing his next match he needs to comeback with:
That doesn't work for the omega, brother
And when they ask why not his reply should be:
He's not ready, brother
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:16:37 GMT -5
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, with this. The Elite haven’t even remotely, even one iota, been “buried.” But they have taken losses, and that alone draws criticism.
But, as others have pointed out, if Cody, Kenny, and the Bucks were just these huge world beaters in AEW and held every title, we’d be hearing very different criticism. Shit, Cody draws that criticism because his entrance is more elaborate than the rest of the roster’s.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 20, 2019 13:31:04 GMT -5
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, with this. The Elite haven’t even remotely, even one iota, been “buried.” But they have taken losses, and that alone draws criticism. But, as others have pointed out, if Cody, Kenny, and the Bucks were just these huge world beaters in AEW and held every title, we’d be hearing very different criticism. Shit, Cody draws that criticism because his entrance is more elaborate than the rest of the roster’s. I strongly suspect that the ratings would be exactly the same in the alternate universe where the Elite went this route.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:06:48 GMT -5
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, with this. The Elite haven’t even remotely, even one iota, been “buried.” But they have taken losses, and that alone draws criticism. But, as others have pointed out, if Cody, Kenny, and the Bucks were just these huge world beaters in AEW and held every title, we’d be hearing very different criticism. Shit, Cody draws that criticism because his entrance is more elaborate than the rest of the roster’s. I strongly suspect that the ratings would be exactly the same in the alternate universe where the Elite went this route. Absolutely. And, this is slightly off topic, but I also think that a lot of people have gotten so wrapped up in the excitement of having the first real "wrestling war" since the late 90s, that they've put too much stock into traditional Nielsen ratings (which are an extremely antiquated metric of success in the age of streaming) and lost sight of just how remarkable it is that AEW is doing the numbers it's doing as an upstart wrestling promotion in 2019. It's a cliché thing to say, but it really is true, that TNT would have been happy if AEW just did between 450,000-500,000 viewers in that time slot, but it has far exceeded expectations. It's consistently drawing ~5000 people to TV tapings and selling out PPVs. It's remarkable for such a "new" company. There are going to be some growing pains, and not everything can be perfect, but AEW really does seem to be genuinely trying to listen to the fans and put out a good product. I do think there's an argument to be made that Kenny and the Bucks, in particular, were jobbing just a bit too much early on, but they've completely rectified that in recent weeks. Hangman's middling record is being worked into a compelling storyline.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2019 15:13:54 GMT -5
I strongly suspect that the ratings would be exactly the same in the alternate universe where the Elite went this route. Absolutely. And, this is slightly off topic, but I also think that a lot of people have gotten so wrapped up in the excitement of having the first real "wrestling war" since the late 90s, that they've put too much stock into traditional Nielsen ratings (which are an extremely antiquated metric of success in the age of streaming) and lost sight of just how remarkable it is that AEW is doing the numbers it's doing as an upstart wrestling promotion in 2019. It's a cliché thing to say, but it really is true, that TNT would have been happy if AEW just did between 450,000-500,000 viewers in that time slot, but it has far exceeded expectations. It's consistently drawing ~5000 people to TV tapings and selling out PPVs. It's remarkable for such a "new" company. There are going to be some growing pains, and not everything can be perfect, but AEW really does seem to be genuinely trying to listen to the fans and put out a good product. I do think there's an argument to be made that Kenny and the Bucks, in particular, were jobbing just a bit too much early on, but they've completely rectified that in recent weeks. Hangman's middling record is being worked into a compelling storyline.
DVR numbers are also usually strongly in AEW's favor. Ratings only really matter for advertisers and aren't a great measure for total viewers anymore with all the other options for consuming content. It's also why AEW was ranked higher than NXT except for this week even when NXT got more total viewers: AEW still did better in the key advertising demo.
With that truth and AEW Revolution selling out a 10k+ capacity arena in less than an hour, I think AEW's impending demise is being highly exaggerated.
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 20, 2019 15:42:19 GMT -5
Jericho and Cody's feud didn't need the title and it's shocking that Omega hasn't been showcased as the best wrestler they have.
The Bucks and the tag division as a whole haven't been as exciting as they promised either.
I know they didn't want to book themselves too strongly but they should care less about what people might say and do what is best for the story and company.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 20, 2019 15:45:00 GMT -5
The complaints would be threefold if they won more.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2019 16:14:54 GMT -5
If they were booked strongly out the gate, the IWC would be flooded with comments about Cody being another Jeff Jarrett and calling AEW "TNA 2.0" for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by chrom on Dec 20, 2019 16:17:30 GMT -5
The complaints would be threefold if they won more. Exactly, their screwed if they do, screwed if they don't
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 16:33:32 GMT -5
We need a refresher course on what 'buried' actually means. EC3? 6 feet deep. The Elite not being world beaters ain't it at all, though I do agree that they haven't done the *best* job presenting Omega as a big deal. But there's no dirt or shovels here.
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Post by eJm on Dec 20, 2019 16:35:11 GMT -5
That’s kind. EC3’s head was last seen poking out in Kyoto, that’s how deep he is.
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Post by XIII on Dec 20, 2019 16:35:18 GMT -5
I think that they leaned too hard in that direction to avoid being labeled as a vanity promotion. They’re trying to develop new talents so that when they get turned loose there will be more options. I expect Omega and the Bucks to both be back to their regular selves in 2020
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2019 16:35:24 GMT -5
EC3 in WWE is the biggest actual burial I've seen of a wrestler in quite some time. All that's needed is Triple H literally shoveling dirt onto him to solidify it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 17:13:28 GMT -5
That’s kind. EC3’s head was last seen poking out in Kyoto, that’s how deep he is. A little bit more and he can wrestle for NJPW
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Post by Dub H on Dec 20, 2019 17:34:12 GMT -5
As good as Jericho has been I still think Omega should have been the first champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 17:38:46 GMT -5
I say that besides the top TOP dudes they don't need to be losing and I mean guys like Moxley and Jericho. All the other dudes don't need to be beating them and the reason I say that is how they look these days. They were just different when Dynamite started compared to now. It's sort of like AJ Styles circa 2016 to AJ Styles now. Yeah he's dope, yeah he's helping younger stars but he's not on fire anymore. Now when they're beaten it's not looked at as a "omg I can't believe they lost" situation like it used to look.
That "OMG HOW DID HE LOSE" feeling is what it'll feel like when a Moxley and PAC get beaten.
Still, I enjoy them all, I just think they need to be more M. Bison rather than I don't know, Guile.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 17:43:03 GMT -5
That’s kind. EC3’s head was last seen poking out in Kyoto, that’s how deep he is. A little bit more and he can wrestle for NJPW NOT FOR ANOTHER YEAR, PAL!
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 20, 2019 18:30:46 GMT -5
I cant agree with them being buried. Although I think Omega was too generous in losing. He was the hottest star at one point but Moxley took some shine off of him. And I dont mind that, I just wished Omega was showcased more
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 20, 2019 19:27:51 GMT -5
AEW forms
"AEW is gonna fail the elite is just gonna book each other strong since their EVPs"
this doesn't happen
"man why are the elite making themselves look weak, this is my first time seeing them they need to be stronger"
can we make up our mind of what we want with this
also I'm pretty sure they said that Tony Khan has the last say on everything so it's possible that the elite have wanted themselves to win matches, or not get beat down or whatever and Tony said no
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 20, 2019 19:43:20 GMT -5
I cant agree with them being buried. Although I think Omega was too generous in losing. He was the hottest star at one point but Moxley took some shine off of him. And I dont mind that, I just wished Omega was showcased more I think that part's fair: Cody's been pushed strongly, Hangman got a big initial push but they've slightly cooled him off to lead into a new storyline, the Bucks arguably lose a bit too much when the money's on the line but get tons of spotlight and chances to show why they're so highly regarded, but I do think Kenny's not been pushed to the level he probably should be. He's far, far from "buried", of course, but the guy's capable of being your promotion's ace and right now, yeah, there's a legitimate fear that he could too easily become "just another guy" if he doesn't get his own character arc really kicked into high gear soon. I know they currently have Moxley in more of the Austin "his music hits, someone's getting their ass kicked" role, but I suppose they could've done something last night like having Omega noticeably take out more Creepers than anyone else could, to get over that he really is on another level as a physical force, something like that. That said, Omega's a strong enough performer that I don't think it'd take more than a couple of months of consistently strong booking to get things on track. He's had highly featured matches with Moxley and PAC, came up short in both, but it wouldn't take a lot to get some shine back on him, so I'm fine with the ol' "wait and see" here.
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