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Post by Dub H on Dec 20, 2019 19:44:46 GMT -5
I cant agree with them being buried. Although I think Omega was too generous in losing. He was the hottest star at one point but Moxley took some shine off of him. And I dont mind that, I just wished Omega was showcased more I think that part's fair: Cody's been pushed strongly, Hangman got a big initial push but they've slightly cooled him off to lead into a new storyline, the Bucks arguably lose a bit too much when the money's on the line but get tons of spotlight and chances to show why they're so highly regarded, but I do think Kenny's not been pushed to the level he probably should be. He's far, far from "buried", of course, but the guy's capable of being your promotion's ace and right now, yeah, there's a legitimate fear that he could too easily become "just another guy" if he doesn't get his own character arc really kicked into high gear soon. I know they currently have Moxley in more of the Austin "his music hits, someone's getting their ass kicked" role, but I suppose they could've done something last night like having Omega noticeably take out more Creepers than anyone else could, to get over that he really is on another level as a physical force, something like that. That said, Omega's a strong enough performer that I don't think it'd take more than a couple of months of consistently strong booking to get things on track. He's had highly featured matches with Moxley and PAC, came up short in both, but it wouldn't take a lot to get some shine back on him, so I'm fine with the ol' "wait and see" here. The hangman push is particularly mind boggling because they didn't want to push "thenselves" on top,so they push...their closest friend.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 20, 2019 20:21:40 GMT -5
That’s kind. EC3’s head was last seen poking out in Kyoto, that’s how deep he is. F***, no wonder he got concussed to f***, going through all that earth.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 20, 2019 22:08:43 GMT -5
I think that part's fair: Cody's been pushed strongly, Hangman got a big initial push but they've slightly cooled him off to lead into a new storyline, the Bucks arguably lose a bit too much when the money's on the line but get tons of spotlight and chances to show why they're so highly regarded, but I do think Kenny's not been pushed to the level he probably should be. He's far, far from "buried", of course, but the guy's capable of being your promotion's ace and right now, yeah, there's a legitimate fear that he could too easily become "just another guy" if he doesn't get his own character arc really kicked into high gear soon. I know they currently have Moxley in more of the Austin "his music hits, someone's getting their ass kicked" role, but I suppose they could've done something last night like having Omega noticeably take out more Creepers than anyone else could, to get over that he really is on another level as a physical force, something like that. That said, Omega's a strong enough performer that I don't think it'd take more than a couple of months of consistently strong booking to get things on track. He's had highly featured matches with Moxley and PAC, came up short in both, but it wouldn't take a lot to get some shine back on him, so I'm fine with the ol' "wait and see" here. The hangman push is particularly mind boggling because they didn't want to push "thenselves" on top,so they push...their closest friend. It's not especially mystifying, I think, considering something they said for years is that he was one of wrestling's "best kept secrets" who hadn't really been given a chance to shine, something I think he's come closer and closer to showing as time goes on, though I think they really didn't do him favors before by the battle royal, then four man, then an over-long match with Kip Sabian, who had his own issues in how his face tenure was really damn bland. Once Page fought Jericho, though, and got regular TV, people got behind him a lot more.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 21, 2019 8:54:57 GMT -5
They haven’t been buried but Omega and the Bucks (Omega especially) haven’t been presented as stars. Does everyone remember how hot Omega was the last 2 years? He would’ve been pushed harder and presented better in WWE if he had signed with them, which is crazy to think.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 21, 2019 11:06:55 GMT -5
The hangman push is particularly mind boggling because they didn't want to push "thenselves" on top,so they push...their closest friend. It's not especially mystifying, I think, considering something they said for years is that he was one of wrestling's "best kept secrets" who hadn't really been given a chance to shine, something I think he's come closer and closer to showing as time goes on, though I think they really didn't do him favors before by the battle royal, then four man, then an over-long match with Kip Sabian, who had his own issues in how his face tenure was really damn bland. Once Page fought Jericho, though, and got regular TV, people got behind him a lot more. I know the reason, but it still causes the same issue they were trying to avoid by not pushing themselves
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 21, 2019 11:16:10 GMT -5
"This stinking company calls itself All Elite Wrestling. Elite, what a joke. Only thing Elite around here is me and my Inner Circle. AEW? More like ABW. All Buried Wrestling. Dead and buried thanks to Le Champion!"
This would make for a good Jericho promo.
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Post by Crow Dust on Dec 21, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5
It’s the problem I have had with the company since it started I mean I know they don’t want to look too strong but I mean the most popular guys at launch were Kenny The Bucks and Cody and who is in their first title match? an Elite midcard guy at that point and a guy who was a glorified jobber when most of the Western audience saw him last Jericho needed to be rehabbed and Hangman needed to be built It should have been Kenny vs anyone but instead he loses to PAC in a midcard match.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 21, 2019 11:54:04 GMT -5
They haven’t been buried but Omega and the Bucks (Omega especially) haven’t been presented as stars. Does everyone remember how hot Omega was the last 2 years? He would’ve been pushed harder and presented better in WWE if he had signed with them, which is crazy to think. He also would have had more established names to go over and built in history for the events he wrestled on. It's a different challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:49:59 GMT -5
They haven’t been buried but Omega and the Bucks (Omega especially) haven’t been presented as stars. Does everyone remember how hot Omega was the last 2 years? He would’ve been pushed harder and presented better in WWE if he had signed with them, which is crazy to think. He also would have had more established names to go over and built in history for the events he wrestled on. It's a different challenge. I don’t agree with this at all. That’s pure grass is always greener mentality. No one EVER stands out in WWE, that’s everyone’s big knock on it. He would have debuted at a PPV to Michael Cole going “oh my, is it? It is! That’s Kenny Omega! He DOMINATED in Japan!” Then he would have had a great high-profile feud or two against the likes of Finn Balor or AJ Styles, before falling victim to WWE’s 50/50 booking and company-first mentality like everyone else. By now I’d expect him to be palling around with Nakamura and Sami or something, have a handful of Ls to Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins to his name, and be having awesome matches every week, but not really DOING much of anything.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Dec 21, 2019 16:11:09 GMT -5
It really is surprising to me how many people, new and old to him, have been worked by Omega's current angle in AEW in terms of how they view him. I've found the story compelling, but it does worry me a little for the guy that he's doing too good of a job at playing it when I see ridiculous ideas get floated like Okada carried him and his status was all smoke and mirrors provided for him by NJPW.
Considering the Elite are the likely candidates to deliver the first major blow in a group vs group setting for the Inner Circle (if not be the ones to outright destroy them), I think they've been booked pretty perfectly. Honestly, a lot of the booking surrounding the Elite boys leans in favor of the idea that they're going to come out on top in most of their major storylines when it's all said and done. So what they're doing is pretty classic wrestling booking. If they didn't get heat on the other guys and weren't so giving the end result in hindsight would resemble something like the infamous Triple H/Booker T Wrestlemania feud where H didn't give Booker anything in the lead-in or in the match.
And not only would that be bad, we'd likely have a crap ton of threads complaining about it on here too.
Sometimes hindsight is required to fully understand and see the story as a whole.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 21, 2019 16:43:04 GMT -5
like muskrat's post listed. omega is doing fine on the singles side. he's just not as successful on the tag side of things which is what he has had more of on TV. Bucks are ok as they are since the entire tag division seems to be 1 win below or above .500 except SCU. Pac has been relatively protected as well: draw with moxley, beat omega, split with Page. ironically, as long as he adheres to the stipulation cody is best positioned to go on a run since no matter what he does he can't challenge for the AEW title again (until he changes his mind/turns heel). i'm starting to think he might end up winning the first ever new "not midcard" title which would help present it as "not midcard" since cody is seen as one of the top guys already.
and would let the elite claim a title while not being vulnerable to hogging the belts since they don't have the top one.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 21, 2019 20:47:20 GMT -5
I haven’t thought they’ve been buried or elevated beyond their station since the promotion began, and I think that’s a tribute to just how well AEW has done their job so far.
Kenny and Page are the only single with serious long term potential. The former can eat some losses because he’s Kenny f***ing Omega. Page has been booked well and is well on his way.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 22, 2019 0:19:09 GMT -5
I haven’t thought they’ve been buried or elevated beyond their station since the promotion began, and I think that’s a tribute to just how well AEW has done their job so far. Kenny and Page are the only single with serious long term potential. The former can eat some losses because he’s Kenny f***ing Omega. Page has been booked well and is well on his way. I think the point is that to the unfamiliar Omega isn’t Kenny F***ing Omega so they’re hurting his starpower.
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Post by Fade on Dec 22, 2019 12:43:25 GMT -5
It really is surprising to me how many people, new and old to him, have been worked by Omega's current angle in AEW in terms of how they view him. I've found the story compelling, but it does worry me a little for the guy that he's doing too good of a job at playing it when I see ridiculous ideas get floated like Okada carried him and his status was all smoke and mirrors provided for him by NJPW. Considering the Elite are the likely candidates to deliver the first major blow in a group vs group setting for the Inner Circle (if not be the ones to outright destroy them), I think they've been booked pretty perfectly. Honestly, a lot of the booking surrounding the Elite boys leans in favor of the idea that they're going to come out on top in most of their major storylines when it's all said and done. So what they're doing is pretty classic wrestling booking. If they didn't get heat on the other guys and weren't so giving the end result in hindsight would resemble something like the infamous Triple H/Booker T Wrestlemania feud where H didn't give Booker anything in the lead-in or in the match. And not only would that be bad, we'd likely have a crap ton of threads complaining about it on here too. Sometimes hindsight is required to fully understand and see the story as a whole. “Wait and see”. With WWE it’s a literal joke but considering how long AEWs been around, I think we can afford to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 22, 2019 19:49:35 GMT -5
I've said it before but I think the main 4 want to only phase themselves out as regular talent on tv and take a small hiatus to focus on running the company. I know the Bucks have been pretty open about wanting to slow down with their kids getting a big older. And if I'm not mistaken both the Bucks and Kenny have been pretty beat up the last couple of years
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2019 19:52:05 GMT -5
I'd say it's almost certain that Matt Jackson is kind of prepping to step back some time within the next handful of years; even back in NJPW he seemed to keep giving Nick all the in-ring shine, and Nick's singles match against Fenix recently seemed like another indicator that eventually Nick will get a singles run while Matt probably focuses a bit more on backstage stuff.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 22, 2019 19:58:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the Bucks, especially Matt, have been pretty open about wanting to retire sooner than later. Not saying it's going to happen in 2020 or anything, but both want to focus on backstage roles as well as on their families.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 20:57:01 GMT -5
Omega should be pushed better considering a lot of casual fans are less likely to know who he is than Cody or TYBs, his character has been presented in a way that would be confusing for new fans as well.
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