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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 2, 2020 16:25:14 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah."
What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant.
If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 16:46:40 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah." What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant. If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind. Man, it's always going to be the objectification getting in the way of things for so many people. They aren't ever going to be able to watch women in revealing outfits rolling around with each other in the same way they watch dudes do it without that clouding it, and I think that has a lot to do with the continued perception, even beyond that of the way major companies hammered into fans the idea that women's wrestling wasn't worth their time. It still kinda bothers me that if the women come out for a match, people are already posting pictures of their asscheeks and shit the moment they hit the ring. I'd really like it if we could all just stop treating the women as sex objects and just start treating them as equal performers to the men.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 2, 2020 17:10:35 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah." What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant. If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind. I didn't want to say anything, but I agree, how can an entire gender doing something 'not interest you' and yet a man doing it does? Like, people who say that women, as a whole, wrestling 'doesn't interest them' probably don't have a high opinion of women in general.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 2, 2020 17:11:36 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of women's wrestling, it just doesn't interest me. However, I am glad it is not just a 'piss break' or treated as a joke in modern wrestling. So, if a woman had a good match, you still wouldn't care, just because they're a woman? Weird attitude to take, honestly.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 2, 2020 17:15:18 GMT -5
I love women’s wrestling and I’m glad it’s main eventing shows now. But I still have the opinion that intergender matches shouldn’t happen. Imagine Becky Lynch beating Bobby Lashley for example? That would be a complete burial in my eyes. And it surprised me that so many people on here wanted to see Ambrose lose to Nia Jax when that feud was teased.... for me, that would’ve completely killed Ambrose and I’m glad he got out of there before they could do that to him. Chyna was the exception. I could MAYBE buy Ronda Rousey doing it too, due to her reputation. Besides that? Big nope from me. Nia's taller, heavier, and a much better wrestler than Chyna was. How on earth is that stretching credibility but Chyna isn't? "But she's a woman, and a woman could never beat a man, men are superior at everything and women are always going to be inferior?" At least that's how I imagine some people who don't like intergender wrestling feel. I swear, people need to get with the times. I can't stand the casual sexism that often comes from people who don't like intergender wrestling. Honestly, the Nia and Dean feud was the only time I was interested in Nia. Tying this to the Erick Stevens tweet, maybe this is why not as many women are in the industry? Because the men don't give them any respect and just try and tell them what is and isn't 'good wrestling'. I know I wouldn't want to be in an industry where the male fanbase clearly looks down at me because of my gender. I'm a man and even I get frustrated when people are so dismissive about it; just patronising and looking down at the woman wrestler in that intergender match and saying that she automatically couldn't win because "Women aren't as tough as men" is a bullshit take to have.
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Post by 111111 on Jan 2, 2020 17:25:17 GMT -5
"wrestling, star wars and video games are only for boys, stop trying to force feminism down our throats"
In other words there are alot of sexist man babies on the internet.
I'm not tarring all people who don't like womens wrestling with this brush btw, some people don't like it just as some people don't like the cruiserweights and have perfectly valid reasons, but 9 times out of 10 when you see a fuss about womens wrestling online (or discussion about women doing anything for that matter) the sexism isn't even subtle.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jan 2, 2020 21:23:58 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of women's wrestling, it just doesn't interest me. However, I am glad it is not just a 'piss break' or treated as a joke in modern wrestling. So, if a woman had a good match, you still wouldn't care, just because they're a woman? Weird attitude to take, honestly. It's not an 'attitude' I've taken. Some things I like, some things I don't. I'm not much of a fan of modern wrestling as it is, and even with older stuff, there are things I don't like, so I'm not really compelled to seek out women's matches. However, I respect and give credit to women wrestlers. Back when I was an indy wrestler myself I trained with women, and not once did I look down on them as a joke or anything other than someone else who wants to do what they enjoy.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jan 2, 2020 21:27:25 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah." What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant. If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind. What a broad judgement to make. So the people who don't like matches involving women obviously don't want women involved in anything, and just pure hate them. What a stupid statement.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 2, 2020 21:59:47 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah." What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant. If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind. What a broad judgement to make. So the people who don't like matches involving women obviously don't want women involved in anything, and just pure hate them. What a stupid statement. No, "I don't like women's wrestling, it just doesn't interest me" is a stupid statement. And judging something based solely on the sex of the people involved is a stupid, outdated, wrong way to think.
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Post by ogreknee on Jan 2, 2020 22:29:23 GMT -5
What a broad judgement to make. So the people who don't like matches involving women obviously don't want women involved in anything, and just pure hate them. What a stupid statement. No, "I don't like women's wrestling, it just doesn't interest me" is a stupid statement. And judging something based solely on the sex of the people involved is a stupid, outdated, wrong way to think. I do not and will never like intergender wrestling because it makes me sick seeing women getting beat up by men I just cannot and will not support it Like i love joshi and i love njpw I am excited bushi road purchased stardom I do not want to see mayu eat a rainmaker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:33:17 GMT -5
It's all that goldarned Cap'n Marvel's fault!
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Post by agent817 on Jan 2, 2020 22:45:36 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of this particular thread from the early parts of last year. I didn't think a lot of guys shared the same mentality as that OP's friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:59:00 GMT -5
I don't understand the specific criticism of "Intergender is unrealistic because a smaller woman can't beat a large man."
I'm over 250 pounds. I am a big guy with years of experience in grappling. There are female judoka and BJJ players who beat me stupid in class. PARTICULARLY my brown belt female BJJ instructor. Wrestling is a combat sport, in universe, and someone well trained in a combat sport can be good enough technically to overcome a size advantage.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 2, 2020 23:35:10 GMT -5
I don't understand the specific criticism of "Intergender is unrealistic because a smaller woman can't beat a large man." I'm over 250 pounds. I am a big guy with years of experience in grappling. There are female judoka and BJJ players who beat me stupid in class. PARTICULARLY my brown belt female BJJ instructor. Wrestling is a combat sport, in universe, and someone well trained in a combat sport can be good enough technically to overcome a size advantage. I suspect that some of it has to with fear of a woman going over their favorites and it will ruin their credibility forever somehow. I'm kidding, it's probably more likely that seeing a man hit a woman makes some people very uncomfortable. Domestic violence and all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 23:46:45 GMT -5
I don't understand the specific criticism of "Intergender is unrealistic because a smaller woman can't beat a large man." I'm over 250 pounds. I am a big guy with years of experience in grappling. There are female judoka and BJJ players who beat me stupid in class. PARTICULARLY my brown belt female BJJ instructor. Wrestling is a combat sport, in universe, and someone well trained in a combat sport can be good enough technically to overcome a size advantage. I suspect that some of it has to with fear of a woman going over their favorites and it will ruin their credibility forever somehow. I'm kidding, it's probably more likely that seeing a man hit a woman makes some people very uncomfortable. Domestic violence and all. Like I said, I only have beef with the specific criticism I mentioned. Any other one I have no strong feelings on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 23:58:06 GMT -5
I might have to start diggin' FAN's 2005-2006 wrestling board and find out if there's lots of praise for women during those years. I think there's such a good mix of actual talent and nutrition to ' hormones nowadays. Many times the best part of the show. o/
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2020 0:18:07 GMT -5
I don't understand the specific criticism of "Intergender is unrealistic because a smaller woman can't beat a large man." I'm over 250 pounds. I am a big guy with years of experience in grappling. There are female judoka and BJJ players who beat me stupid in class. PARTICULARLY my brown belt female BJJ instructor. Wrestling is a combat sport, in universe, and someone well trained in a combat sport can be good enough technically to overcome a size advantage. Not my POV but I guess the idea is that they SHOULD be athletes at their peak and man are physically stronger by default.A peak woman still would have less strenght than a peak man. Still fights are fights . Anyone can win.And then you have dumb things like Corbin no selling Becky's punches.A muscled up woman will still f*** you up if she gets in.And there is nothing weak about that
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 3, 2020 0:28:41 GMT -5
I don't understand anyone who sits back and says shit like "I don't like women's wrestling. It doesn't interest me. Blah blah blah." What f***ing difference does it make? Wrestling is wrestling. Good is good, bad is bad, period. Whatever genetalia they have is beyond irrelevant. If you judge a wrestling match on the gender, religion, race, literally anything other than the skill of the competitors, you are the kind of person who makes judgements in real life based on those same things, and you need to be weeded out as soon as possible. We have no room in this world for your kind. What a broad judgement to make. So the people who don't like matches involving women obviously don't want women involved in anything, and just pure hate them. What a stupid statement. No, a stupid statement is saying you don't like women's wrestling because... it's for the most part presented the same way as men's wrestling is now. I would get saying that in the Attitude and Diva Search eras where it was intended mostly to titillate, but even the company responsible for that time period now present it as wrestling.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 3, 2020 0:31:47 GMT -5
they're not watching Arisa Nakajima or Meiko Satomura or Chihiro Hashimoto.
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Post by ogreknee on Jan 3, 2020 0:33:25 GMT -5
I suspect that some of it has to with fear of a woman going over their favorites and it will ruin their credibility forever somehow. I'm kidding, it's probably more likely that seeing a man hit a woman makes some people very uncomfortable. Domestic violence and all. Like I said, I only have beef with the specific criticism I mentioned. Any other one I have no strong feelings on. I to do bjj and will speak that technique wins But a division 2 college wrestler will smother a brown belt. The thing is all things considered i just hate seeing women get hit
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