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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 0:19:21 GMT -5
I'm very confused why you wouldn't include Rollins.
Still, they were definitely working on a Shield breakup before Mania with them awkwardly backpedalling at the last minute. They were arguing like every show up until suddenly one week Seth told them to hit each other and get it out of their system and that got them back on the same page.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 0:20:28 GMT -5
Early January, they were still planning on breaking them up by WM30. This was also the year that Dean attempted to or did (i forget) eliminate Roman. They later played it up with Dean doing a joking... what it's every man for himself right?! Dean tried to eliminate Roman then Roman eliminated both him and Seth.
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Post by deadzeppelin on Jan 4, 2020 0:32:53 GMT -5
Bryan is a face, Sheamus is back on Smackdown as a heel and Wrestlemania season is upon us....
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 4, 2020 0:55:23 GMT -5
Triple H actually said in a radio interview that D-Bry was always penciled in the WM main event. What a liar.
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Post by Evil Homer on Jan 4, 2020 0:56:46 GMT -5
Punk should have wrestled HHH at Mania 30 oversold every punch , kinda like when Shawn wrestled Hogan
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Post by msc on Jan 4, 2020 6:23:38 GMT -5
Yes, that original plan sucked. Even with Shimmy and Bryan's chemistry.
However despite the mess they created, their 11th hour Hail Mary to try and fix things did produce some great moments: Bryan and the Yes Movement, or The Shield's face turn where Kane tries to stick them on Lawler and all three slowly turn round to face Kane and the crowd go apeshit.
When things go wrong and they NEED to to save themselves, WWE can write some compelling TV bits. It's the not doing it till really needed to save themselves bit which infuriates.
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2020 6:43:01 GMT -5
Triple H actually said in a radio interview that D-Bry was always penciled in the WM main event. What a liar. Hell, watching the show you could tell he was a liar. Said it before and I’ll say it again, there needs to be a book written just about the period from before Summerslam 2013 to WrestleMania 30 because the biggest feud in that period wasn’t Bryan/The Authority, it was WWE Management/The Crowd.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 4, 2020 6:50:24 GMT -5
I'm inclined to think this too, because fans would've still been angry that D-Bry wasn't even in the Rumble. In fact, fans were voicing their displeasure over such while Punk was still in the company (writhing on the arena floor in fact, after that chokeslam.) Maybe Sheamus is given the Andre win as a make-good. (Also, no ATGMBR? I wonder when they actually conceived that idea then.) And nothing for the women at this time, either. And this is while NXT is gaining traction with Paige and Emma doing strong work, so it would have been even more glaring. "Nothing for the women" might have actually been better than the Vickie Guerrero Invitational that we did get, where AJ "I was OP Before We Had Threads About It" Lee went over the entire women's roster, of which only Nikki Bella could have been considered true competition at the time. Of course, they could have just had Paige win the title at Mania as a "surprise challenger" instead of the next night on Raw...
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Post by cjh on Jan 4, 2020 7:22:02 GMT -5
And nothing for the women at this time, either. And this is while NXT is gaining traction with Paige and Emma doing strong work, so it would have been even more glaring. "Nothing for the women" might have actually been better than the Vickie Guerrero Invitational that we did get, where AJ "I was OP Before We Had Threads About It" Lee went over the entire women's roster, of which only Nikki Bella could have been considered true competition at the time. Of course, they could have just had Paige win the title at Mania as a "surprise challenger" instead of the next night on Raw... Speaking of that Divas title match, Meltzer reported Naomi botched the finish by tapping out cleanly when AJ Lee was grabbing her other hand and tapping the mat with it to cheat her way to the win. That finish would lead to a rematch between them. If that's the case, was Paige not supposed to be called up the next night until that happened?
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jan 4, 2020 9:10:57 GMT -5
I think, adjusted for context, roster and standards at the time, this card could have easily surpassed WM 9 and 27 as the worst Wrestle mania.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 4, 2020 9:29:57 GMT -5
Honestly that would be better than what we got.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 4, 2020 10:30:17 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that a card originally that hideous became one of the greatest Manias of modern history.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 4, 2020 10:42:45 GMT -5
Kane vs. Big Show would've been some of the best worst shit ever. I couldn't stand either guy at that time. Deep down, you know you wanted to see the Local Men Explode. OnceTwiceThrice... ... ... ... ... ... Eleventy-twice in a life-time!
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Post by Dub H on Jan 4, 2020 11:16:01 GMT -5
Imagine if they broke up the Shield before the Evolution feud. Vince is a stupid man who should be reminded that he's not good at this anymore every hour of every day. Punk leaving might have saved him from so much shit
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Post by Dub H on Jan 4, 2020 11:16:28 GMT -5
That card... I was actually at that RAW. And I was the only one who booed him. You did the right thing
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 4, 2020 11:31:57 GMT -5
Wonder what Rollins would have ended up doing?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2020 12:40:11 GMT -5
"Nothing for the women" might have actually been better than the Vickie Guerrero Invitational that we did get, where AJ "I was OP Before We Had Threads About It" Lee went over the entire women's roster, of which only Nikki Bella could have been considered true competition at the time. Of course, they could have just had Paige win the title at Mania as a "surprise challenger" instead of the next night on Raw... Speaking of that Divas title match, Meltzer reported Naomi botched the finish by tapping out cleanly when AJ Lee was grabbing her other hand and tapping the mat with it to cheat her way to the win. That finish would lead to a rematch between them. If that's the case, was Paige not supposed to be called up the next night until that happened? It was pretty obvious Naomi botched the finish. AJ grabbed her hand and had a I'm being sneaky face while faking the tap. So Naomi tapping moments later breaks the planned finish. Paige was likely not supposed to debut so quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -5
That women's match is an excellent show of just how far we've come in the years since. Yeah, let's just shove every woman on the roster - only 14 of them - into one match, have it directly follow the end of the Streak, and give it under seven minutes. Which is STILL better than the year before where the one match that involved women was cut for time, and arguably the year after where AJ and Paige beat the Bellas in six minutes.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 4, 2020 22:20:25 GMT -5
Kane vs. Big Show would've been some of the best worst shit ever. I couldn't stand either guy at that time. Deep down, you know you wanted to see the Local Men Explode. Throw in Mark Henry, and baby, you've got a stew going.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 4, 2020 22:24:57 GMT -5
Punk/HHH would have been like this In this scenario, who is playing the Punk role?
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