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Post by héad.casé on Jan 4, 2020 12:03:11 GMT -5
"Some tag team needs to break both of the Young Bucks' legs. Break one of Nick's legs. Break one of Matt's legs. I want to see The Young Bucks not wrestle for six to eight weeks. I want to see them in casts, on crutches for six to eight weeks. If you gotta live that gimmick for six to eight weeks because of the eventual pay off, then so be it. You do it. Because if I'm a tag team wrestler, I want to take away their biggest strengths, I want to take away their Superkicks. And if I take away the Superkicks from The Young Bucks that means I take the "Superkick Party" away from the fans and that's how you get heat."
"A long time ago, I pitched an idea to Vince McMahon about me and D-Von crushing The Rock's throat, so The Rock couldn't talk anymore, I wanted to take away the people's voice from the people. Obviously it never happened, but Vince told me he really, really liked the idea."
"When you see a babyface that has something that resonates with the people, as a heel that's what you want to zero in on and take away from them, because now they will feel sympathy for them. Take the Superkicks away, how big do you think the place would blow, if they didn't get a Superkick for three months? And eventually, The Young Bucks came in and were able to double Superkick the two guys that broke their legs in the first place."
Source: Busted Open Radio
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 4, 2020 12:11:06 GMT -5
He is getting at the thing that WWE fails to get these days (with a mindless fixation on boos instead of any kind of storytelling): the end result needs to be a match people will pay to see. Having faces suffer actual setbacks that have an effect on the show will do that.
...and it is also a risk that many companies are not willing to take, given it means losing the selling point of a popular act for some time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2020 13:02:48 GMT -5
I mean he's not wrong and in theory that works but AEW is not in a position to really lose the Bucks for an amount of type to sell that type of angle. If they need legit time off then yeah you pull the trigger on that ASAP and create some good heat from it
WWE could potentially do it and that's basically 80's wrestling with Hogan leaving for a while to sell the Quake attack or Marty being out a few weeks to sell the Barbershop attack.
It is an old school approach for sure and one that could still work today but patience and circumstance would dictate that stuff
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 4, 2020 13:37:08 GMT -5
I mean he's not wrong and in theory that works but AEW is not in a position to really lose the Bucks for an amount of type to sell that type of angle. If they need legit time off then yeah you pull the trigger on that ASAP and create some good heat from it WWE could potentially do it and that's basically 80's wrestling with Hogan leaving for a while to sell the Quake attack or Marty being out a few weeks to sell the Barbershop attack. It is an old school approach for sure and one that could still work today but patience and circumstance would dictate that stuff Yeah, it’s a good idea in theory, but AEW is way too young to give up any of their stars for an extended period of time unless they’re forced to. Down the line once more guys are firmly established, absolutely, but they certainly aren’t there yet |
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 4, 2020 13:54:08 GMT -5
id love heels to do more dastardly things, i get the vibe WWE doesnt do it as theyre afraid of getting a backlash from parents ....and thats why we see 50/50 booking....for a long while Bray Wyatt just sounded evil but didnt do anything dastardly/evil
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2020 14:23:58 GMT -5
I mean he's not wrong and in theory that works but AEW is not in a position to really lose the Bucks for an amount of type to sell that type of angle. If they need legit time off then yeah you pull the trigger on that ASAP and create some good heat from it WWE could potentially do it and that's basically 80's wrestling with Hogan leaving for a while to sell the Quake attack or Marty being out a few weeks to sell the Barbershop attack. It is an old school approach for sure and one that could still work today but patience and circumstance would dictate that stuff Yeah, it’s a good idea in theory, but AEW is way too young to give up any of their stars for an extended period of time unless they’re forced to. Down the line once more guys are firmly established, absolutely, but they certainly aren’t there yet Yea, it's an idea but you have to wait until opportunity presents itself to make that happen so if God forbid Cody, Omega, Bucks etc suffer an injury that takes them out for a month, you work that in your story and give a heel good heat but otherwise I would not do that right now just for story |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:39:03 GMT -5
It would work, for sure, but AEW's tag team division and well main eventers aren't in a position to have the Bucks crippled right now. Maybe this would work to someone like I don't know Darby Allin because then he couldn't do his stunts for a bit, maybe this could work for Private Party but not the Bucks. They're too valuable to be hindered right now.
That is a way to get heat though. The method isn't wrong, it's just the recipient which is incorrect.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 4, 2020 14:54:14 GMT -5
That might not be a bad idea, in a certain situation and with the right wrestler and storyline to do it with. It’ll backfire if a company tried to shoehorn that concept with every single “heat on a babyface” segment.
Like say if the Bucks need some time off, do the leg angle and when they return, they can start out wrestling a more grounded style and then bring back the Meltzer Drivers and big dives after a few weeks for a big pop. But I wouldn’t want to see stuff like Darby’s stake board being broken or someone stealing Sakura’s microphone every show. It should be more rare.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 15:24:35 GMT -5
- Every time someone pitches a way to present the main roster as stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:12:25 GMT -5
Take the fan backstage for a pep talk: "Go be a fan!", that's some next levels heelin'  |
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jan 4, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
"Hey Vince, I have this great idea and it means me working with the companies top face..."
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 4, 2020 21:59:56 GMT -5
I think AEW are way over reliant on people like the Bucks anyway.
I think they could do with an injury angle or something. But I guess it is a bit early for it.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 4, 2020 22:05:37 GMT -5
"Hey Vince, I have this great idea and it means me working with the companies top face..." To be fair: he was working matches against the Rock with some frequency when he was at his height, and the Dudleys (and the tag division of the 00's) were at their height at the same time. That would have been a legitimately fresh and potentially big angle at the time. |
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jan 5, 2020 0:30:44 GMT -5
"Hey Vince, I have this great idea and it means me working with the companies top face..." To be fair: he was working matches against the Rock with some frequency when he was at his height, and the Dudleys (and the tag division of the 00's) were at their height at the same time. That would have been a legitimately fresh and potentially big angle at the time. |
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Jan 5, 2020 0:49:07 GMT -5
"A long time ago, I pitched an idea to Vince McMahon about me and D-Von crushing The Rock's throat, so The Rock couldn't talk anymore, I wanted to take away the people's voice from the people. Obviously it never happened, but Vince told me he really, really liked the idea." Translation: “I wanted to copy what Macho Man did to Ricky Steamboat back in the 80s, and Vince McMahon said no” |
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 5, 2020 2:09:30 GMT -5
"Hey Vince, I have this great idea and it means me working with the companies top face..." To be fair: he was working matches against the Rock with some frequency when he was at his height, and the Dudleys (and the tag division of the 00's) were at their height at the same time. That would have been a legitimately fresh and potentially big angle at the time. Yep, that magical time where EVERYBODY was over as a motherf***er, and you could have matches with main eventers and mid-carders, and either guy could win. Especially with Rock, who is pretty much the most unselfish person ever. Rock jobbed to Bossman, lost to the Dudleyz in a tables match, and main evented RAW is OWEN with Val Venis. Dude would work with anybody. Except HBK, but for decent reasons at the time. Again, this is my biggest gripe about WWE today; they could EASILY do Attitude Era shows as far as interesting and interweaving characters and storylines with their roster, they just don't or won't or can't for some reason. Well, one reason, the god damn owner. |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 5, 2020 11:51:43 GMT -5
Marty being out a few weeks to sell the Barbershop attack. Pfft! He was too embarrassed to show his face after jumping through the glass, fleeing in terror like the coward he is. |
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