Protect Your Finisher

[romanstylesiii]

Guys in the 80's/90's had a 95-100% success rate when they used their finishers. On the rare time anyone did kick-out, it meant something and tells a better story.

Compared to today, where every RAW has superstars kicking out of multiple finishers and not telling any stories in the ring is kinda a harsh contrast 

[Sparkybob]

Doesn't the Rough Ryder have an absurdly high win % when hit?

[Bang Bang Bart]

I believe Baron Corbin talked about this same thing when it comes to End of Days and how strong it’s been made to look.

[Deleted]

There was a period from around 2007-2012 where nobody ever kicked out of a finisher unless it was Wrestlemania

I HATED it.

I am not saying that it can’t be overkill when done too many times but for me, a brilliant match needs a few finisher kick outs.

That’s what keeps fans on the edge of their seat.

And wrestling has evolved from back then. Nobody pays to see slow plodding “RASSLIN” matches anymore.!They want fast high paced action. Look at the stuff in NXT... crowd pop more for a super kick exchange than an Abdominal stretch.

Going to a wrestling show now is basically the same as going to a theatre. People want to see stunts and cool moves. Nobody believes it’s real anymore, like they did in the 50s-80s, so you can’t bore the crowd.

[Dub H]

Acting like only because they kick out there is not storytelling is silly.


I also think finishers should have faded in importance a long time ago.Save the signature moves but don`t act like it is the only way to end a match.

[xCompackx]

I look at finishers like a super move in a game; if it doesn't end the match or do some sort of damage, why even have it? We're in a time now where it's more about spots and that's fine, but some stuff does have to be protected.

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Jan 5, 2020 1:47:43 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Acting like only because they kick out there is not storytelling is silly.


I also think finishers should have faded in importance a long time ago.Save the signature moves but don`t act like it is the only way to end a match.

This is my stance on it also.

Why can’t a match end with a signature move such as Zigglers fame asser or Rollins’ superplex into falcon arrow? Both of those moves are always “near falls”... it would be a bigger shock if they actually got the 3 count.

WWE really need to change this IMO. After a few months, we would have a “any move could end this!” feel.

[Dub H]

Jan 5, 2020 2:42:55 GMT -5 @negan said:

Jan 5, 2020 1:47:43 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Acting like only because they kick out there is not storytelling is silly.


I also think finishers should have faded in importance a long time ago.Save the signature moves but don`t act like it is the only way to end a match.

This is my stance on it also.

Why can’t a match end with a signature move such as Zigglers fame asser or Rollins’ superplex into falcon arrow? Both of those moves are always “near falls”... it would be a bigger shock if they actually got the 3 count.

WWE really need to change this IMO. After a few months, we would have a “any move could end this!” feel.

The last time I remember this in WWE was I think a Cody match
Where he hit a disaster kick to win.Dont even remember the opponent.Maybe something like the Superman Punch has ended.


And another point some like Corbin doesnt,having finishers that are not insta kill helps build the ones that are( See Okada vs Omega). Not every finisher can or should be this insta death,like The End of Days doesnt has the oomph to be

[Cvslfc123]

Remember when they were not having anyone kick out of the F5 so that Roman Reigns would look strong when he eventually faced Brock?

The start of Braun Strowman being ruined.

[Christian]

Man, to think that THE COBRA was the most protected finisher in recent history is insane!

[Citizen Snips Has Left]

Jan 5, 2020 0:17:40 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Doesn't the Rough Ryder have an absurdly high win % when hit?

It's not the physical impact of the move, it's the fact that the opponent is so demoralized by the fact that they wrestled so poorly that Ryder was able to hit his finisher that they just stay down in abject shame.

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Jan 5, 2020 2:42:55 GMT -5 @negan said:

Jan 5, 2020 1:47:43 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Acting like only because they kick out there is not storytelling is silly.


I also think finishers should have faded in importance a long time ago.Save the signature moves but don`t act like it is the only way to end a match.

This is my stance on it also.

Why can’t a match end with a signature move such as Zigglers fame asser or Rollins’ superplex into falcon arrow? Both of those moves are always “near falls”... it would be a bigger shock if they actually got the 3 count.

WWE really need to change this IMO. After a few months, we would have a “any move could end this!” feel.

Because a certain segment of online fans would start yelling that everyone was getting buried.

[celtics543]

Jan 5, 2020 1:06:32 GMT -5 @negan said:

There was a period from around 2007-2012 where nobody ever kicked out of a finisher unless it was Wrestlemania

I HATED it.

I am not saying that it can’t be overkill when done too many times but for me, a brilliant match needs a few finisher kick outs.

That’s what keeps fans on the edge of their seat.

And wrestling has evolved from back then. Nobody pays to see slow plodding “RASSLIN” matches anymore.!They want fast high paced action. Look at the stuff in NXT... crowd pop more for a super kick exchange than an Abdominal stretch.

Going to a wrestling show now is basically the same as going to a theatre. People want to see stunts and cool moves. Nobody believes it’s real anymore, like they did in the 50s-80s, so you can’t bore the crowd.

I apologize but I couldn't disagree more with this. It's part of the reason that I really don't watch anymore and just stay casually updated on this site after being a huge fan for about 25 years. If you want to watch circue de soleil and see stunts and stuff that's great but wrestling should be about stories and making people be able to believe what they're seeing.

It's not worth arguing but I'd argue that 96-2002 and the 80's were times of great storytelling and that was the height of wrestling popularity. You bring up NXT now and how people are popping for super kick exchanges but that's the same show that is drawing less than a 1.0 rating on tv.

Guys and girls should protect their finishers and those should be match enders. When Rock kicked out of a stunner it was an epic moment. If it happened every week no one would care.

[dbrussel]

No one has kicked out End of Days

All hail King Corbin

[Deleted]

Nah, hitting your finisher and then doing the Kevin McAllister Home Alone face when the opponent predictably kicks out is more fun.

[Deleted]

It isn't even really about kicking out of finishers so much as it seems to be becoming more of a thing to just not sell finishers anymore.

Someone will hit theirs and get a win and almost immediately the opponent is back up

And during multi person matches it is argueably worse when someone hits their finisher the person rolls out of the ring and then this repeats like a horrible loop in time.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Jan 5, 2020 9:08:31 GMT -5 celtics543 said:

Jan 5, 2020 1:06:32 GMT -5 @negan said:

There was a period from around 2007-2012 where nobody ever kicked out of a finisher unless it was Wrestlemania

I HATED it.

I am not saying that it can’t be overkill when done too many times but for me, a brilliant match needs a few finisher kick outs.

That’s what keeps fans on the edge of their seat.

And wrestling has evolved from back then. Nobody pays to see slow plodding “RASSLIN” matches anymore.!They want fast high paced action. Look at the stuff in NXT... crowd pop more for a super kick exchange than an Abdominal stretch.

Going to a wrestling show now is basically the same as going to a theatre. People want to see stunts and cool moves. Nobody believes it’s real anymore, like they did in the 50s-80s, so you can’t bore the crowd.

I apologize but I couldn't disagree more with this. It's part of the reason that I really don't watch anymore and just stay casually updated on this site after being a huge fan for about 25 years. If you want to watch circue de soleil and see stunts and stuff that's great but wrestling should be about stories and making people be able to believe what they're seeing.

It's not worth arguing but I'd argue that 96-2002 and the 80's were times of great storytelling and that was the height of wrestling popularity. You bring up NXT now and how people are popping for super kick exchanges but that's the same show that is drawing less than a 1.0 rating on tv.

Guys and girls should protect their finishers and those should be match enders. When Rock kicked out of a stunner it was an epic moment. If it happened every week no one would care.

Ehhh, bringing up ratings in a day where more and more people cut the cord, or watch through ever evolving and expanding internet sources is a weaksauce excuse to drag on nxt. That's like saying since relatively few people watch NJPW compared to WWE/F in its heyday that the wrestling isn't comparable. Honestly, I've watched wrestling since 95 or so and NXT/AEW/NJPW are the height of wrestling to me, match quality wise anyways.

[neilc]

The RKO is still a very protected move.

[Bub (BLM)]

Jan 5, 2020 5:44:54 GMT -5 Cvslfc123 said:

Remember when they were not having anyone kick out of the F5 so that Roman Reigns would look strong when he eventually faced Brock?

The start of Braun Strowman being ruined.

And it wasn't so Roman could kick out of 1 either. He ended up kicking out of like 4.

[Deleted]

It's just been overkill. It's much more surprising these days to see an important match end on the first finisher than it is to see multiple kickouts of finishers. I'm not against it totally, they just need to scale that shit back a bunch.