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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 15:50:30 GMT -5
WWE finds themselves in a quandry here whethere good or bad. Rhea is a hot babyface champion which has been needed because of Shaynas relentless hold on that title BUT now how long do you ride the wave of her as champion? some would say like myself till Mania Takeover about 4-5 months as champion the first time around but others say that is enough time. But lets use Becky as an example very over to a same degree but I think everyone can agree her title reign should have ended months ago because hostility has been slowly setting in and people are getting antsy now for her to lose it sooner than later because it is affecting her the perception of her reign. WWE has to descide is Mania weekend to soon to take the belt off of her or do they wait longer and potentially miss out on Io and risk losing her completely if she is creatively frustrated despite being amongst the most over women in the whole company. I think 3 or 4 months is perfect for Rhea. Let her have a couple successful TV title defenses, at least one Takeover defense, and then she can drop it and go back to being a chaser. These long title reigns WWE love doing (6+ months) are poison for the most part. Adam Cole's has been pretty good, but he's the exception.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 6, 2020 16:24:49 GMT -5
NXT has a number of former main roster people who would have no qualms sharing their stories with Io about it. That could be as much a force in her final decision than anything Triple H can say.
If she is that unhappy with a steady gig in Orlando and limited touring dates, and would rather be in Japan, a worldwide, year-round traveling schedule with shoddy booking is _not_ going to be an incentive, regardless of pay. She can expect no better treatment on Raw or Smackdown than Asuka and Kairi.
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Post by mistery on Jan 6, 2020 17:13:55 GMT -5
NXT has a number of former main roster people who would have no qualms sharing their stories with Io about it. That could be as much a force in her final decision than anything Triple H can say. If she is that unhappy with a steady gig in Orlando and limited touring dates, and would rather be in Japan, a worldwide, year-round traveling schedule with shoddy booking is _not_ going to be an incentive, regardless of pay. She can expect no better treatment on Raw or Smackdown than Asuka and Kairi. I'll state this again. The person claiming she is unhappy is Dave. Whose connections to the joshi scene are really bad at best. His knowledge of modern joshi is terrible. I mean for gods sake, he thinks Asuka is a former STARDOM wrestler. Even though she has never worked there. Everything Dave said about Io and her being unhappy is speculation on his part. He said: "I have to imagine she is probably, maybe unhappy being separated from her fiance." Not that she is. And he's been trying to push a narrative for awhile now that Bushiroad needs to sign Kairi and Io back, because he hated the women's match at WK14 and thought no one really came off as a star from it, despite the audience thinking otherwise. Bushiroad has said they wouldn't mind getting them back and will make an attempt at them, but their primary focus going forward is building up younger stars. Combine that with Io saying that she's been enjoying her time in NXT, and left Japan because she wanted to work on her character work (something STARDOM wouldn't let her do, and likely won't let her do if she were to return), and Dave is probably full of it. It's pretty telling when she has told people in Japan that she has more creative freedom in NXT than she did in STARDOM. Have you noticed Dave is the only person pushing this "Io is unhappy in NXT" narrative? That isn't being backed up by anyone else even remotely credible? This includes Casey (Squared Circle Sirens), Sean Ross Sapp (Fightful), and PWInsider. He lost his main source of WWE info once Jericho left.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:17:08 GMT -5
Io's like the coolest lookin' gal in the whole roster. Give her money, push and a freakin' vacation now and then, WWE!
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Post by gl83 on Jan 6, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -5
NXT has a number of former main roster people who would have no qualms sharing their stories with Io about it. That could be as much a force in her final decision than anything Triple H can say. If she is that unhappy with a steady gig in Orlando and limited touring dates, and would rather be in Japan, a worldwide, year-round traveling schedule with shoddy booking is _not_ going to be an incentive, regardless of pay. She can expect no better treatment on Raw or Smackdown than Asuka and Kairi. I'll state this again. The person claiming she is unhappy is Dave. Whose connections to the joshi scene are really bad at best. His knowledge of modern joshi is terrible. I mean for gods sake, he thinks Asuka is a former STARDOM wrestler. Even though she has never worked there. Everything Dave said about Io and her being unhappy is speculation on his part. He said: "I have to imagine she is probably, maybe unhappy being separated from her fiance." Not that she is. And he's been trying to push a narrative for awhile now that Bushiroad needs to sign Kairi and Io back, because he hated the women's match at WK14 and thought no one really came off as a star from it, despite the audience thinking otherwise. Bushiroad has said they wouldn't mind getting them back and will make an attempt at them, but their primary focus going forward is building up younger stars. Combine that with Io saying that she's been enjoying her time in NXT, and left Japan because she wanted to work on her character work (something STARDOM wouldn't let her do, and likely won't let her do if she were to return), and Dave is probably full of it. It's pretty telling when she has told people in Japan that she has more creative freedom in NXT than she did in STARDOM. Have you noticed Dave is the only person pushing this "Io is unhappy in NXT" narrative? That isn't being backed up by anyone else even remotely credible? This includes Casey (Squared Circle Sirens), Sean Ross Sapp (Fightful), and PWInsider. He lost his main source of WWE info once Jericho left. The only aspect of Io being unhappy that I've heard about is in her blogs when she's talking about not liking living in Orlando or the food there, etc. Which is why I'm leaning more towards Io getting called up and using the main roster money to move elsewhere as opposed to leaving WWE and returning to STARDOM, where she basically had accomplished everything there already.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2020 17:27:01 GMT -5
I'll state this again. The person claiming she is unhappy is Dave. Whose connections to the joshi scene are really bad at best. His knowledge of modern joshi is terrible. I mean for gods sake, he thinks Asuka is a former STARDOM wrestler. Even though she has never worked there. Everything Dave said about Io and her being unhappy is speculation on his part. He said: "I have to imagine she is probably, maybe unhappy being separated from her fiance." Not that she is. And he's been trying to push a narrative for awhile now that Bushiroad needs to sign Kairi and Io back, because he hated the women's match at WK14 and thought no one really came off as a star from it, despite the audience thinking otherwise. Bushiroad has said they wouldn't mind getting them back and will make an attempt at them, but their primary focus going forward is building up younger stars. Combine that with Io saying that she's been enjoying her time in NXT, and left Japan because she wanted to work on her character work (something STARDOM wouldn't let her do, and likely won't let her do if she were to return), and Dave is probably full of it. It's pretty telling when she has told people in Japan that she has more creative freedom in NXT than she did in STARDOM. Have you noticed Dave is the only person pushing this "Io is unhappy in NXT" narrative? That isn't being backed up by anyone else even remotely credible? This includes Casey (Squared Circle Sirens), Sean Ross Sapp (Fightful), and PWInsider. He lost his main source of WWE info once Jericho left. The only aspect of Io being unhappy that I've heard about is in her blogs when she's talking about not liking living in Orlando or the food there, etc. Which is why I'm leaning more towards Io getting called up and using the main roster money to move elsewhere as opposed to leaving WWE and returning to STARDOM, where she basically had accomplished everything there already. If the reporta are true STARDOM is offering BIG money.Which probably means more than main roster women roster money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:31:52 GMT -5
I'll state this again. The person claiming she is unhappy is Dave. Whose connections to the joshi scene are really bad at best. His knowledge of modern joshi is terrible. I mean for gods sake, he thinks Asuka is a former STARDOM wrestler. Even though she has never worked there. Everything Dave said about Io and her being unhappy is speculation on his part. He said: "I have to imagine she is probably, maybe unhappy being separated from her fiance." Not that she is. And he's been trying to push a narrative for awhile now that Bushiroad needs to sign Kairi and Io back, because he hated the women's match at WK14 and thought no one really came off as a star from it, despite the audience thinking otherwise. Bushiroad has said they wouldn't mind getting them back and will make an attempt at them, but their primary focus going forward is building up younger stars. Combine that with Io saying that she's been enjoying her time in NXT, and left Japan because she wanted to work on her character work (something STARDOM wouldn't let her do, and likely won't let her do if she were to return), and Dave is probably full of it. It's pretty telling when she has told people in Japan that she has more creative freedom in NXT than she did in STARDOM. Have you noticed Dave is the only person pushing this "Io is unhappy in NXT" narrative? That isn't being backed up by anyone else even remotely credible? This includes Casey (Squared Circle Sirens), Sean Ross Sapp (Fightful), and PWInsider. He lost his main source of WWE info once Jericho left. The only aspect of Io being unhappy that I've heard about is in her blogs when she's talking about not liking living in Orlando or the food there, etc. Which is why I'm leaning more towards Io getting called up and using the main roster money to move elsewhere as opposed to leaving WWE and returning to STARDOM, where she basically had accomplished everything there already. Same that blog post was completely taken out of context by so many people she basically said she doesn't enjoy living in Orlando for saying she isn't happy in america. If she gets to make main roster money she is definetly moving to somewhere like Cali which has a much bigger japanese population and has things to do unlike..everything in florida outside of Miami.
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Post by mistery on Jan 6, 2020 19:34:04 GMT -5
The only aspect of Io being unhappy that I've heard about is in her blogs when she's talking about not liking living in Orlando or the food there, etc. Which is why I'm leaning more towards Io getting called up and using the main roster money to move elsewhere as opposed to leaving WWE and returning to STARDOM, where she basically had accomplished everything there already. If the reporta are true STARDOM is offering BIG money.Which probably means more than main roster women roster money. I don't think its all about money, and again, Dave is the only person reporting STARDOM is offering big money. And I doubt its more than main roster money (or rather, what WWE could offer Kairi and Io). Bushiroad is rich, but not going to dump millions of dollars into two women. And if it comes down to a bidding war, WWE is going to offer a lot more money than Bushiroad will likely be comfortable with. Please remember WWE gave Mike Kanellis a big sack of money to just sit around in catering, and no other company actually wanted him. If there is even the smallest chance of Kairi and Io leaving the company and going back to STARDOM (and by proxy, potentially AEW as well), then Vince is going to back up the brinks truck, and probably cave in to some of their demands. Kairi is the #4 woman on RAW right now, and Io is arguably the most popular women's star in NXT, on the same level as Rhea, if not a bit higher. She is also one of the few women on NXT that bring in very strong numbers for the 18-49 demographic. Keep in mind, it's not all about the money either way. Kairi moved over here and is enjoying life in America right now, and is one of WWE's top women as well. Io moved over here because she wanted to work on a bigger stage, and work on her character stuff. She has explicitly said that, along with putting STARDOM on blast for forcing her to work as a babyface for a lot of her career there (because she made them money as the face of the company). She got her wish once to turn heel, but they quickly turned her back face a couple of months later, which made her pretty unhappy. Both have the same goal of gaining a significant amount of international exposure as well. Which is something Bushiroad cannot provide. And in fact, I would go as far as to say they are actively not pushing for international exposure right now. They took down their international store, and refuse to implement several international payment options for their streaming service. Both Kairi and Io have done everything they could possibly do in Japan right now. They are already famous over there. There is nothing Bushiroad can give them on that front to make them more famous.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 6, 2020 20:29:08 GMT -5
Someone is already unhappy working in NXT, and you think moving them to RAW or SmackDown will IMPROVE things? LOL Exactly. It shows how clueless and stupid Vince is. Like, this is not a promotion by any means.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 6, 2020 21:53:48 GMT -5
I'll state this again. The person claiming she is unhappy is Dave. Whose connections to the joshi scene are really bad at best. His knowledge of modern joshi is terrible. I mean for gods sake, he thinks Asuka is a former STARDOM wrestler. Even though she has never worked there. Everything Dave said about Io and her being unhappy is speculation on his part. He said: "I have to imagine she is probably, maybe unhappy being separated from her fiance." Not that she is. Dave has about 30+ years of experience analysing and examining pro wrestling. He's also got about 50-odd years of living and examining human behaviour and motivations. If Io has been living separately from her fiance for some time, it stands to reason that she might want to see him rather more often than she is - which is not going to be possible on a main-roster schedule unless he gives up his career (not bloody likely). It also stands to reason that, if she is engaged to be married, her long-term plan is to get married at some point in the near future (generally within a year, depending on how long they've been together beforehand.) You don't need to be Dave to sort out that the current situation isn't ideal in her eyes. Neither Bushiroad, STARDOM or any other promotion needs to be mentioned here - this is primarily about the choices a woman in this business in general may have to make to balance her work (both day-to-day and her contribution to the development of the craft) and her personal life. Have you noticed that what Dave said makes a great deal of sense to many looking at this from a perspective that isn't strictly about which wrestling source it comes from? If Io Shirai is engaged, then any time she spends twelve time zones away from the man she loves and wants to spend the rest of her life with can't be all rainbows and gumdrops. Even Dave Meltzer gets it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 6, 2020 22:08:12 GMT -5
If Shirai is truly that homesick, I don't think that's anything that any push will change, good or bad on any show. And that wouldn't be WWE's fault, either.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 7, 2020 0:05:40 GMT -5
She’s probably smart enough to watch how Asuka has been bungled. Combine that with homesickness and there you go. Asuka- Shirai for one of the WWE Women’s belts sounds pretty good to me. What are the chances it would happen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 18:02:20 GMT -5
nXt is still the developmental brand. Stuff like it being "equal" to Raw/SD and and survivor series only happen to one up AEW and nothing else.
As for Shirai, I can see her being call up after Wrestlemania, either to Raw to feud with Becky or SD to give them more talent.
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