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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 8, 2020 15:35:17 GMT -5
Punk gives me such "teenage girl drama" and I barely had truck with that when I was a teenage girl
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 8, 2020 15:36:13 GMT -5
Who shows moral superiority with mild homophobia?
Admittedly a mild offence, I'm more offended somebody so good with words said something so lazy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 8, 2020 15:37:07 GMT -5
That is basically the only part of it Him and Del Rio have gotten on Miz about them being better wrestlers and they don't like him for being the company guy and opportunities he got What both of them fail to forget is Miz is actually good and have gotten these opportunities because he doesn't do stupid shit like this. Imagine those two being a 3rd wheel at WM for Rock and Cena. They'd lose their mind I'd never put a lot of stock into the likes of Del Rio and what he says for this exact reason; some guys are going to be too bitter and angry to look realistically at someone when assessing them. Compare Punk and Alberto talk about him to how chiller, way more personable guys like Daniel Bryan or Cody Rhodes talk about him. Punk always had a chip on his shoulder and believed himself a big enough star to be above a lot of the out-of-ring things WWE wants out of top guys, which didn't help his fight to the top, while Alberto just sucks. But people with that same commitment and work ethic? They talk up just how crazy much more Miz does and how hard he puts in the work on his job. When Daniel Bryan is commending you on how much more work you do than him, that's lunacy. When everyone but the abrasive dickheads who leave everywhere on bad terms and have bad shit to say about nearly everyone are your only critics, you're doing it right. Without question. This is a guy in the Miz no one can deny where he came from and how he got here. Hell, you can argue Cena for a time was intimated by Miz because Miz basically followed Cena blueprint and was doing it just as well without the massive Make A Wish stuff that Cena does Guys like Punk and somewhat Del Rio walk around with a chip on their shoulder. The samething that drives Punk will set him up for failure and that's why the company could never trust him in a very top position. All they see is wrestling ability but when you talk the full package it includes outside the ring which is why hurt Moxley imo as well
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Post by The Trashman on Jan 8, 2020 15:38:41 GMT -5
I'm just glad Fox doesn't have any ties to unsavory characters..
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 8, 2020 15:43:22 GMT -5
Who shows moral superiority with mild homophobia? Admittedly a mild offence, I'm more offended somebody so good with words said something so lazy. Just more classic "It's OK when _I_ do it..." narcissism.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 8, 2020 15:47:07 GMT -5
Punk gives me such "teenage girl drama" and I barely had truck with that when I was a teenage girl Right?? Holy hannah, he's giving me flashbacks to the girls in school I had no time for.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 8, 2020 15:47:25 GMT -5
It's not just WM 27, Punk's still stuck in the insular wrassling mentality where Miz needs to be hazed and put in his place for daring to intrude into their private little club off of a reality TV appearance, instead of killing himself in DA INDIES.
That might've made Punk look like a cool rebel on the internet ten years ago, but I think most of us have matured beyond that kind of posturing by now. Even if we haven't, aiming it at Miz these days feels particularly out of touch, now that he's been wrestling for like fifteen years.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 8, 2020 15:52:48 GMT -5
You're... still taking paychecks from a company that does shows in Saudia Arabia, Punk. Unless you're doing an Ali and putting them to good causes, shut up.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 8, 2020 15:58:23 GMT -5
I'd never put a lot of stock into the likes of Del Rio and what he says for this exact reason; some guys are going to be too bitter and angry to look realistically at someone when assessing them. Compare Punk and Alberto talk about him to how chiller, way more personable guys like Daniel Bryan or Cody Rhodes talk about him. Punk always had a chip on his shoulder and believed himself a big enough star to be above a lot of the out-of-ring things WWE wants out of top guys, which didn't help his fight to the top, while Alberto just sucks. But people with that same commitment and work ethic? They talk up just how crazy much more Miz does and how hard he puts in the work on his job. When Daniel Bryan is commending you on how much more work you do than him, that's lunacy. When everyone but the abrasive dickheads who leave everywhere on bad terms and have bad shit to say about nearly everyone are your only critics, you're doing it right. Without question. This is a guy in the Miz no one can deny where he came from and how he got here. Hell, you can argue Cena for a time was intimated by Miz because Miz basically followed Cena blueprint and was doing it just as well without the massive Make A Wish stuff that Cena does Guys like Punk and somewhat Del Rio walk around with a chip on their shoulder. The samething that drives Punk will set him up for failure and that's why the company could never trust him in a very top position. All they see is wrestling ability but when you talk the full package it includes outside the ring which is why hurt Moxley imo as well It hurt Moxley, but Moxley also seemed aware of that fact. He's a more private and withdrawn person who wants to do his own thing, seems to know that can be an obstacle, and he's alright with that. He's got other priorities than just raw card positioning, and he's made peace with what restrictions he'll have and how they might hold him back or he needs to work harder in other areas, and he did have the company's back in other ways when they needed it. With Punk, you see someone convinced that he offers makes up for his lack of willingness to do all that stuff and play that whole game. Then you've got Miz, someone Punk perceives as 'lesser', over there getting spots and pushes while he's doing all these things Punk won't do. It's an easy breeding ground for resentment, because his ceiling for 'beating the system' was always nearer than he'd like to someone he believed far beneath him who simply worked harder than anyone else.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 8, 2020 16:01:56 GMT -5
I'm not surprised a lot of guys like Punk still see The Miz as "the reality show guy" and get pissed off that someone like that takes "their spot."
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Jan 8, 2020 16:03:13 GMT -5
I'm as upset about the Saudi deal as anyone, but it's not the talents' fault. Aim that firebomb elsewhere.
Also, regardless of who's signing his paychecks, Punk's part of the machine again, making appearances on a show that's designed to get/keep eyes on the product, and to appeal to the "smark" demographic. The blood money's on his hands too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 8, 2020 16:05:44 GMT -5
Without question. This is a guy in the Miz no one can deny where he came from and how he got here. Hell, you can argue Cena for a time was intimated by Miz because Miz basically followed Cena blueprint and was doing it just as well without the massive Make A Wish stuff that Cena does Guys like Punk and somewhat Del Rio walk around with a chip on their shoulder. The samething that drives Punk will set him up for failure and that's why the company could never trust him in a very top position. All they see is wrestling ability but when you talk the full package it includes outside the ring which is why hurt Moxley imo as well It hurt Moxley, but Moxley also seemed aware of that fact. He's a more private and withdrawn person who wants to do his own thing, seems to know that can be an obstacle, and he's alright with that. He's got other priorities than just raw card positioning, and he's made peace with what restrictions he'll have and how they might hold him back or he needs to work harder in other areas, and he did have the company's back in other ways when they needed it. With Punk, you see someone convinced that he offers makes up for his lack of willingness to do all that stuff and play that whole game. Then you've got Miz, someone Punk perceives as 'lesser', over there getting spots and pushes while he's doing all these things Punk won't do. It's an easy breeding ground for resentment, because his ceiling for 'beating the system' was always nearer than he'd like to someone he believed far beneath him who simply worked harder than anyone else. Yea, big difference with Mox is, it is something he knows and accepts. He doesn't use that as an excuse for where he could or should be, it is just the way it is Those other two don't though. It just comes down to pettiness and not seeing why this one guy is held in such regard while people in the company look at you like you're crazy. Miz has gone from main event to just a guy at points in his career with no fuss, I can't say the same for others During the IC title roundtable you had Christian and Orton giving love to Miz and Orton talking about Miz has been around nearly as long as he has. That shows you the type of work Miz has put in and what he went through
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 8, 2020 16:25:43 GMT -5
As I alluded to in a previous post, Punk has no ground to stand on. He's not above doing business with people that seemingly go against his ideology. Basically, he's an embarrassing, immature hypocrite who is forever trying to be the coolest kid outside of Hot Topic. Dude worked ufc and wwe he has no ground to stand on But he can have an opinion No one is saying he can't have an opinion but it is hypocritical to call out one person for taking that money when some of your friends have done so as well If you going to call out one harsh like that, bring that same energy for everyone
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2020 16:32:23 GMT -5
Punk still seems very tender about the fact Miz has main evented Wrestlemania, and Punk hasn't.
Is it fair to boil it down to just that? No. Like, there's kernels of points being made here, even if a lot of this is him being pissed at the wrong people about it, but good lord, he is just radiating touchy about Miz.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 8, 2020 16:35:25 GMT -5
Punk still seems very tender about the fact Miz has main evented Wrestlemania, and Punk hasn't. And what's kind of funny about that is if he wanted to so bad, all he'd have to do is say so and I'm sure the company would tie themselves into a pretzel to make it work for him.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 8, 2020 16:40:51 GMT -5
CM Punk in his feelings is hardly breaking news, even if it's Walking Dead enthusiast, post-retirement Punk. I will say, his reaction to such an innocuous jab goes to show the delicious irony of CM Punk telling anyone they need to grow a thicker skin. I never understood that part of Punk’s DVD where he was like, and I’m paraphrasing but his sentiment was basically “I feel I should’ve been the WrestleMania main event that year,” and it’s like dude - you were part of a lame “New Nexus” feuding with Randy Orton; in what world would that be the main event over WWE Champion The Miz defending against John Cena? Punk was nowhere near a sniff of the main event scene at that point. Just a small sample of some of his self-entitled bullshit. Not to mention (and I think people forget this) that the Miz throughout the Summer of 2010 and into early 2011 was absolutely white hot as a heel. It was only when they did the ridiculous Lawler stuff that he cooled a little, and even then he was still leaps and bounds about everyone else in terms of reaction. Before the Yes Movement, I would have argued the Miz/Bryan feud was the highlight of both of their WWE careers. That match at Night of Champions was one of my favorite matches that year.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 8, 2020 16:41:40 GMT -5
Punk's reaction looks even worse considering Miz has often not taken shots at him when it would have been easy to:
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 8, 2020 16:53:46 GMT -5
Punk...
Almost everyone that works there does the Saudi shows.
I am a fan of both men's work, and think both are probably quite difficult to be around in real life.
But by going after Miz specifically for the Saudi thing in that sea of insults, Punk just evidences that it's petty dislike rather than any kind of reasonable response to that extremely lame semi-jab Miz took.
Everything else would still be overboard as a response anyway but at least wouldn't make it obvious that he is just looking for reasons to rag on the dude.
Christ, didn't Renee go to Saudi too?
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jan 8, 2020 16:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 8, 2020 17:07:23 GMT -5
I'll totally understand the love that people have for Punk as a performer. But, my god, he seems like the biggest f***ing prick you could ever meet and, for all the shit that people give The Miz, you have to give him credit for not biting when Punk is being a edgelord dickhead.
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