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Post by bob on Jan 9, 2020 23:04:24 GMT -5
IMO NXT is feeling the after effects of running an awards show last week vs AEW and the fans who normally watch NXT for wrestling liked what AEW was and are sticking with it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:12:14 GMT -5
I hope when they take the same break at the end of this year they do something different IMO I would film 2-3 weeks worth of "dream matches" through out the year with the intention of airing them during the holiday break.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 9, 2020 23:28:46 GMT -5
The show held up well on Christmas but then it was more or less a typical show aside from the announcers being in a studio throwing to matches from two different venues. The amount of actual action was similar.
The reality to me is this: NXT can beat AEW if they have main roster wrestlers on the show in a big angle, or if they really build to a mini Takeover type special (Dec. 18). In normal weeks with nothing special going on, AEW has more fans. AEW's problem is that they had a funk post Full Gear where they weren't especially building to anything near term. Now they've kicked Jericho/Mox into overdrive, they're building Cody/MJF, and the Page/Omega stuff is simmering and waiting to explode.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 9, 2020 23:29:08 GMT -5
If there is a reason beyond luck of the draw,the whims of the Nielsen. Is that NXT doesn't have much of story I would say. it is simple and has great matches and there is a market for that, but it lacks stories that will hold you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:43:43 GMT -5
NXT needs some over the top stuff to start happening because while I love the in ring stuff it is impeccable ...I need more stuff like Roderick Strong burning dreams couch.
Have Alex Shelley play up like he got literally pulled into the future by Kushida to be his tag partner. Have heavy implications that Pete Dunne had some of Riddles stash and is suuuuuuper chill and Riddle loves it but has no idea what happened to Pete.
So many things and possibilties they can play with and it sucks to never really start seeing more over the topness.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 10, 2020 4:13:22 GMT -5
Joe Lanza from Voices of Wrestling noted that NXT pretty much lost the viewers who were curious about the show around the time of the Survivor Series and the few weeks afterwards, and when it hit the quiet patch, decided not to come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 4:19:22 GMT -5
Now I know what kind of guy is Cameron Grimes. He's so much better in ring than I expected!
But Keith Lee is probably my favourite right now in WWE, he steals the spotlight in every matches I see out of him!
Dat Störm n' Ripley stuff was great. \m/ 8)
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 4:24:24 GMT -5
Joe Lanza from Voices of Wrestling noted that NXT pretty much lost the viewers who were curious about the show around the time of the Survivor Series and the few weeks afterwards, and when it hit the quiet patch, decided not to come back. What was strange about that post Survivor Series lull was that it would have been a great opportunity, at the very least, to have Becky come down there and attack or call out Shayna and build some more interest in a potential match between the two. She wasn't on Raw after Survivor Series so at the time, I presumed they were doing something but just...didn't.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 10, 2020 4:33:39 GMT -5
NXT uses Dusty Rhodes' name with Cody's permission and blessing so there's no weird ulterior motives there. Right. I think Cody probably allows it because NXT was the last chapter of Dusty's career, and he really put a lot of heart and soul into it. As for the ratings... off. The actual number of people watching is fine, but the demographics are not good. I am not saying to go full soap opera, but I feel like a lack of compelling angles is probably a hindrance. Beyond that, I couldn't really say.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 10, 2020 4:48:44 GMT -5
Joe Lanza from Voices of Wrestling noted that NXT pretty much lost the viewers who were curious about the show around the time of the Survivor Series and the few weeks afterwards, and when it hit the quiet patch, decided not to come back. What was strange about that post Survivor Series lull was that it would have been a great opportunity, at the very least, to have Becky come down there and attack or call out Shayna and build some more interest in a potential match between the two. She wasn't on Raw after Survivor Series so at the time, I presumed they were doing something but just...didn't. Quite the dilemma though, because then they’re committing to using main roster people to draw ratings for NXT, not to mention nullifying the brand split AGAIN. It’s a bit of a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation.
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 4:52:08 GMT -5
What was strange about that post Survivor Series lull was that it would have been a great opportunity, at the very least, to have Becky come down there and attack or call out Shayna and build some more interest in a potential match between the two. She wasn't on Raw after Survivor Series so at the time, I presumed they were doing something but just...didn't. Quite the dilemma though, because then they’re committing to using main roster people to draw ratings for NXT, not to mention nullifying the brand split AGAIN. It’s a bit of a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation. It is, but then it's all about how you'd do such a thing. Like, me personally, I'd just have Becky run from the crowd, have security drag her away and then as someone's going to Regal for something, have him on the phone with USA Managment/whoever's running Raw about the fact that someone from their brand came down and caused a disturbance. Then you do whatever you need to do after that to basically keep each brand seperate but you've left a tease of something potentially down the road at the Rumble or something. Social media goes nuts over it, it's something you can show on Raw to get people to watch NXT and you've planted the seeds for a proper Becky/Shayna match. Win/Win/Win.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 10, 2020 5:04:30 GMT -5
Quite the dilemma though, because then they’re committing to using main roster people to draw ratings for NXT, not to mention nullifying the brand split AGAIN. It’s a bit of a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation. It is, but then it's all about how you'd do such a thing. Like, me personally, I'd just have Becky run from the crowd, have security drag her away and then as someone's going to Regal for something, have him on the phone with USA Managment/whoever's running Raw about the fact that someone from their brand came down and caused a disturbance. Then you do whatever you need to do after that to basically keep each brand seperate but you've left a tease of something potentially down the road at the Rumble or something. Social media goes nuts over it, it's something you can show on Raw to get people to watch NXT and you've planted the seeds for a proper Becky/Shayna match. Win/Win/Win. But that's still only a one-off thing. Lynch probably ain't gonna be on NXT again after that, so what's being suggested is what has essentially already been done for the Survivor Series build... Use some main roster talents as bait, and hook 'em in with the talents that are there every week. I just don't want people to fall into the trap of "This show didn't draw a good rating, therefore it is a bad show", because that's fundamentally not true. It might just need to think outside the box a little bit, because in all honestly, I think we might need to come to terms with the fact that actual wrestling is like the least important part of wrestling to most TV watchers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 5:11:19 GMT -5
They probably should think about shipping some people not doing anything on the main roster to NXT to bulk it up a bit, add a little more star power. Not like NXT's horribly hurting for it, and you don't want to drown out the young people that are supposed to actually be the focus of the show, but, like, imagine having Sami Zayn around doing his thing in NXT, compared to wasting him as an obnoxious screaming idiot who never wrestles on the main roster.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2020 5:54:20 GMT -5
Joe Lanza from Voices of Wrestling noted that NXT pretty much lost the viewers who were curious about the show around the time of the Survivor Series and the few weeks afterwards, and when it hit the quiet patch, decided not to come back. Had a feeling this was gonna happen too. Here's the thing, NXT has quality talent, quality feuds, and quality matches, but now that all the buzz has died down, and even Rhea Ripley had her big moment and dethroned Shayna, the follow up is now something NXT is notorious for, quiet periods of time until the next TakeOver/Big PPV Having a big Tag Tourney to pad cards on top of matches with not much buildup, NXT is ironically what AEW said they might be when they started which was a lot of wrestling first and character second, a sportsy feel. And while AEW's had a lot of wrestling, in both good and bad senses they've had a ton of compelling characters breaking through and showing up on a regular basis, and NXT, while compelling with their matches and yes have compelling characters themselves I'm not underselling this, seem less few and far between to keep fans interested on a weekly basis, now that Survivor Series, TakeOver, and the year end fallout has happened. Having a two week taped show period also didn't help them. But ironically, AEW took a week off and has come back incredibly strong, but NXT but stuff on TV for two weeks that was pretty much pre-taped and meh and now that they're back they've come out soft with the tag tourney and such and the ratings reflect it. It can definitely build to something worthwhile but these can be the consequences. I'm not saying NXT won't get their ratings back up either, but I do see the cracks, while they're officially a third brand now, they're also still developmental, and these quiet spells for NXT was very common, and that's probably what's turning the 18-49 demo off from watching live every week, especially when it's available a day later. There's no immediate want to at the moment for some viewers, opposed to other things on at that same time, not just AEW, just cable in general. We'll see how it continues throughout the month, but this definitely turned heads.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 10, 2020 6:02:29 GMT -5
AEW/NXT ratings segment by segment below. NXT had a harder time maintaining its viewers throughout the night:
"In the segment-by-segment, AEW opened at 1,013,000 for the bulk of Kenny Omega & Adam Page vs. Private Party. NXT opened at 818,000 for promos and the beginning of Rhea Ripley & Toni Storm & Candice LeRae vs. Bianca Belair & Io Shirai & Kay Lee Ray.
The second quarter saw AEW lost 69,000 viewers for the ending of Omega & Page vs. Private Party and the post-match stuff. NXT lost 48,000 viewers for the bulk of the women’s six-person and a Tommaso Ciampa video package.
The third quarter saw AEW gain 17,000 viewers for Riho vs. Kris Statlander and all the post-match stuff with the Nightmare Collective. NXT lost 48,000 for The Forgotten Sons vs. Imperium in the Dusty Rhodes tag team tournament.
The fourth quarter saw AEW lost 48,000 viewers for Christopher Daniels vs. Sammy Guevara and post-match with the Dark Order, SCU and Young Bucks. NXT lost 54,000 viewers for Austin Theory vs. Joaquim Wilde.
The fifth quarter saw AEW gain 28,000 viewers for Dustin & Cody Rhodes vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix while NXT gained 61,000 viewers for the battle of tag champs with Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly vs. Mark Coffey & Wolfgang.
The sixth quarter saw AEW stay even for the MJF promo which also featured DDP, Butcher, Blade, Bunny, Dustin Rhodes and QT Marshall. NXT lost 13,000 for the ending of the tag team battle of champions and promos with Johnny Gargano and Finn Balor.
The seventh quarter saw AEW lose 44,000 viewers for Luchasaurus & Jungle Boy & Marko Stunt vs. Trent & Chuck Taylor & Orange Cassidy. NXT lost 71,000 viewers for Mia Yim vs. Kayden Carter and video packages.
For the head-to-head main events, AEW’s segment with Chris Jericho and the Inner Circle with Jon Moxley gained 73,000 viewers to 970,000. NXT with Keith Lee vs. Cameron Grimes vs. Dominik Dijakovic vs. Damien Priest lost 71,000 viewers to 605,000.
When AEW went off the air, NXT gained 195,000 viewers for the ending of the main event."
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Post by Dub H on Jan 10, 2020 7:26:22 GMT -5
What was strange about that post Survivor Series lull was that it would have been a great opportunity, at the very least, to have Becky come down there and attack or call out Shayna and build some more interest in a potential match between the two. She wasn't on Raw after Survivor Series so at the time, I presumed they were doing something but just...didn't. Quite the dilemma though, because then they’re committing to using main roster people to draw ratings for NXT, not to mention nullifying the brand split AGAIN. It’s a bit of a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation. Not like they bavent already broke the brand spljt ,even outside of the SS build
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Post by dbrussel on Jan 10, 2020 12:54:59 GMT -5
UE and Matt Riddle matches are the only ones that can draw in this Dusty Cup (shorter name this year). The rest are gonna lose viewers if AEW have any decent segment at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:29:39 GMT -5
UE and Matt Riddle matches are the only ones that can draw in this Dusty Cup (shorter name this year). The rest are gonna lose viewers if AEW have any decent segment at the same time. I could see a curiosity bump for the Time Splitters, that's the kind of thing AEW fans would probably be curious about.
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Post by Sicho100 on Jan 10, 2020 14:05:18 GMT -5
Joe Lanza from Voices of Wrestling noted that NXT pretty much lost the viewers who were curious about the show around the time of the Survivor Series and the few weeks afterwards, and when it hit the quiet patch, decided not to come back. I was thinking that may be the case too, but there is such a tiny sample size to really make the point definitively. We really only have a few weeks to look at with that, and those weeks can easily be colored by the new-ness of AEW. Essentially, the first month or so of AEW, there was a similar result (AEW was over a million the first three weeks, and the fourth was at 963k, but still beat NXT by ~200k/week), but then after that we had: Oct 30: Up against World Series Game 7, both shows die. Nov 6: NXT Open Door Policy show, leads to an effective tie. Nov 13: Post-Full Gear show. Results similar to now (AEW = 957k, NXT = 750k), but leaves the question of if that is a more "normal" result or if it was due to the fallout of the PPV Nov 20: Survivor Series go-home show, NXT gets a small win. Nov 27: Post-Survivor Series & Thanksgiving Eve show, NXT wins by ~150k Dec 4 & 11: Basically ties, both building up to the 18th Dec 18: NXT wins by putting on a Takeover-like show Dec 25: Christmas, AEW is off Jan 1: New Year's, NXT is a clip show So, since the October 30th show, there has either been some exogenous event that basically makes the comparison meaningless, or something special regarding either of the shows that makes it difficult to figure out what the "normal" is. It's certainly possible that in the coming weeks/months we settle in to a 950k for AEW/750k for NXT situation (in fact, I would probably guess that Lanza is right and that is what's going to happen), but it seems a bit early to me to make a definitive statement.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 10, 2020 14:35:28 GMT -5
NXT's ratings problems against AEW are problems with NXT as a whole, I think.
What does WWE want NXT to be? If it's the developmental showcase, and it's presented as such by the company, it's going to lose against AEW's mainstage-style production and booking and promotion. Moreover, any main-roster stars sent back to NXT have had will have the stink of "demotion" on them while there. Such a treatment may work for a company looking to put its own branding ahead of its stars, but it does little for any promotion looking to grow audience interest and engagement. If WWE doesn't care about giving us individual reasons to watch, it's not going to get us to care about the company or what it's offering as a whole. It's forgotten what made people watch it in the first place.
If it wants NXT to become a true "third brand", then the company and NXT's talent need to step up - in its production values, in its promotion of talent, in its visual presentation, in its touring schedule. That means, _everyone_ gets the 300+ day travel schedule yearly; _everyone_ gets the PR junkets and has to work on polishing their in-ring work and their promos and their ring gear. It also means more "input" (read: micromanagement) from Vince, more "input" (read: crappy camera work) from Kevin Dunn; and more of the BS booking that threatens to send many talents across all brands out the door and into AEW's or anyone else's waiting arms.
My take on it is that WWE has grown, in my father's verbiage, "too big for its britches." Such a thing can happen.
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